Who will be moved to the fourth density?

[Joe]

Thank you for your concern. I feel better now.

My original question is not trivial. Suppose someone does not like it here and wants to be moved to a higher density. They learn about the wave. If we can not tell them what they should do to enhance their chances to be moved out of here, they will just tell:
"So why should I care at all about the Wave and the channelings? I will just live the same life I did before" and that person will make the same mistakes for thousands of years. In my opinion it is not fair. The rules should be known to everyone. It is the Creation task to distinguish if one is breaking the rules, that is if one behaves according to the rules but in the heart of hearts one does so only because one wants to be moved out of here. And the Creation has got ways to distinguish that, hence the rules should be known as I said before.

Figuring out the rules and learning them in a real way is a MAJOR part of the whole process and point of human life on earth. Everyone knowing the rules in advance would make thee process of learning impossible.

As the C's have said (and paraphrasing Laura here):

Human being progress along the true evolutionary scale by learning lessons and accruing objective knowledge. A big part of that is defined (by Gurdjieff) as "doing the work" which means paying close and careful attention to reality, and that includes fulfilling all life's responsibilities and doing it better than other people do it. It means practicing external considering (taking care of others) to the Nth degree and level. It means learning the karminc lessons of 3rd density, which basically means human relations, mastering the self so that the self can meet all challenges in a superior way.

 

[Nachtweide]

Thank Mkrnhr
The translation in the translator is not always correct. I now use simple sentences.
This child will remain STS. It will not select the 4th Density.
a) Because of the genes STS birth
b) Due to existing karma
In the wave, it would opt for the third Density, eventually die. Then the path would not be in the 4th Density but in the 5th Density?
In this family it would be very difficult to have free will to live out the direction of STO. The DNA would be programmed by genetics already STS?

 

[mkrnhr]

This child will remain STS. It will not select the 4th Density.
In this family it would be very difficult to have free will to live out the direction of STO. The DNA would be programmed by genetics already STS?

IMHO, we cannot know for sure. It depends on many unknown parameters, like the lessons learned in other incarnations, how the soul is strong, if it is too damaged, and if this soul will complete its lessons within the actual incarnation and if it will eventually choose its alignement. The "future" is open. OSIT

 

[Mountain Crown]

This child will remain STS.It will not select the 4th Density.

There are souled STS beings in 4D.

It's a big question what happens to essential psychopaths since they have no individuated soul.

 

[bngenoh]

This child will remain STS.It will not select the 4th Density.

There are souled STS beings in 4D.

It's a big question what happens to essential psychopaths since they have no individuated soul.

Manure for the growth of the beings in the next cycle. ;)

 

[ana]

This child will remain STS.It will not select the 4th Density.

There are souled STS beings in 4D.

It's a big question what happens to essential psychopaths since they have no individuated soul.

Taking into account that psychopaths are OPs even though not all OPs are psychopaths I found this here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm

Q: Do "organic portals" go to fifth density when they die?
A: Only temporarily until the "second death."

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

Edited: correct link

 

[Nachtweide]

Why are psychopaths OP `s? Do you think medicine?
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine. Aliens change the past, and so also the present. By operating one direction is changed, perhaps STs. They must not remain or be automatically sts. The direction is always free will and learn.
Would that be a way of thinking?

 

[Cosmos]

Why are psychopaths OP `s? Do you think medicine?
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine. Aliens change the past, and so also the present. By operating one direction is changed, perhaps STs. They must not remain or be automatically sts. The direction is always free will and learn.
Would that be a way of thinking?

have you read all 8 books of The Wave ?

 

[Nachtweide]

Unfortunately, I can only read the German translation to Chapter 42 The translator is very inaccurate. Before I read something wrong, I prefer to listen to.
Can I still ask questions even if I lack the background for this chapter?

thank you

 

[Mountain Crown]

Why are psychopaths OP `s? Do you think medicine?
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine. Aliens change the past, and so also the present. By operating one direction is changed, perhaps STs. They must not remain or be automatically sts. The direction is always free will and learn.
Would that be a way of thinking?

You could think of it this way - STS does whatever it pleases to get someone to freely accept STS dominance.

Essential psychopaths are born without the ability to form a conscience. Since conscience is a characteristic of a souled individual, psychopaths are OPs.

 

[nobodyslave]

Hi egzopolityka,

The problem is we do not have a free will. I can tell from my experience that if I had not become interested in UFO issue and had not read about crop circles I would not have started eventually to read about social issues and that last thing definitely made my soul more advanced. People can easily overlook UFO and crop circles issues and so not to get the chance to advance their souls.

By taking a topic of particular interest, you made the choice to study it further, to eventually connect the dots and learn about more pressing social issues. THAT'S free will.

Topics like UFOS and crop circles are unfortunately overlooked by most, however there are plenty of other issues out there that others will take an interest in, and after taking the time to learn, they may also eventually move on to lean about more important social and spiritual issues that will advance their progress. That will be a chance for their soul advancement, and it will happen when its their time to make their choice.

I can understand your frustration in everyone not being informed of the"rules", I have experienced this many times myself. I used to think it was some sort of sick cosmic joke that the truth was hidden or suppressed from those that need it most. The answer came to me one day when my daughter was running up the stars, typically I told her to stop or she would fall and hurt herself. The next minute later she ran right up those stairs again, and sure enough she tripped and hurt her knee. I realised then that it is the same as the lessons in life, if someone tells us how it is, we can choose to believe them or not, but if we experience these lessons for ourselves the message is more than a belief, it becomes our experience and knowledge. osit.

There are no short cuts to this process, as others have said here, it takes work. Cutting corners and expecting the answers to be served up to you by others, is missing the point entirely. Believe me, I am a corner cutter from way back (still am at times).

I know you mentioned you have read The Wave, but I reccommend you review what you don't understand. I had to do the same, my understanding of some concepts weren't clear to me at first, so I reread The Wave after reading Amazing Grace, and then had many "light bulb" moments.

I hope this helps.

Best of luck

 

[Alada]

Why are psychopaths OP `s?

What psychopaths and OPs have in common is that lack the higher centres (higher emotional, higher intellectual), which are the route that exists in potential for non-OPs to 'grow a soul'. Remembering of course that as we are the connection with the higher centres exists in potential only, to forge a connection requires time and sincere effort on our part, until then we are pretty much OPs, automatons. Realizing the full implication of this should give one the impetus to find a way out.

[quote author=Nachtweide]
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine.
[/quote]

You might want to question where you got that understanding? The above seems to lean toward 'magical thinking' and that higher beings are all 'good guys' who wouldn't cause any harm, because they're 'higher' right? For perspective, Gurdjieff described the situation very well.

"But there are a thousand things which prevent a man from awakening, which keep him in the power of his dreams. In order to act consciously with the intention of awakening, it is necessary to know the nature of the forces which keep man in a state of sleep.

"First of all it must be realized that the sleep in which man exists is not normal but hypnotic sleep. Man is hypnotized and this hypnotic state is continually maintained and strengthened in him. One would think that there are forces for whom it is useful and profitable to keep man in a hypnotic state and prevent him from seeing the truth and understanding his position.

"There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.

"At last the magician found a remedy. He hypnotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.

"And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins.

"This tale is a very good illustration of man's position.

There is plenty more in Laura’s work and clues from the Cs regarding Free Will, what kind of ream we're living in and how we got here in the first place. It would help you to go back and review the subject.

 

[liffy]

[quote author=Nachtweide]
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine.

You might want to question where you got that understanding? The above seems to lean toward 'magical thinking' and that higher beings are all 'good guys' who wouldn't cause any harm, because they're 'higher' right?[/quote]

As far as I can recall, the C's seem to indicate that the most efficient way of acquiring energy from others when one is a STS being is to try to trick the person into choosing whatever is wanted, and in this way attempting to find a loophole, but not working directly against the subject's free will.

Please fill in or correct me if necessary :)

 

[Beau]

As far as I can recall, the C's seem to indicate that the most efficient way of acquiring energy from others when one is a STS being is to try to trick the person into choosing whatever is wanted, and in this way attempting to find a loophole, but not working directly against the subject's free will.

Please fill in or correct me if necessary :)

Well, 4D STS has the free will to abduct us, which they have been doing for quite a while. It may be more efficient in some instances to manipulate instead of being direct, but it does not mean they won't use their free will to violate yours, IMO.

 

[ana]

[quote author=Nachtweide]
As I understand, aliens do not violate the free will deliberately. Free will is divine.

You might want to question where you got that understanding? The above seems to lean toward 'magical thinking' and that higher beings are all 'good guys' who wouldn't cause any harm, because they're 'higher' right?

As far as I can recall, the C's seem to indicate that the most efficient way of acquiring energy from others when one is a STS being is to try to trick the person into choosing whatever is wanted, and in this way attempting to find a loophole, but not working directly against the subject's free will.

Please fill in or correct me if necessary :)
[/quote]


That is precisely what they have been and continue doing, to interfere with free will:

Abductions.
Supression and corruption of knowledge.
Monopolizing of infraestructures and resources.
Violence and murder at small and large scale.
Spread of toxins via food, vaccines and everyday products.
Programing of the minds using all means at their disposal.

The list can continue... if only you pay attention to reality you'll see their violation of free will extends across this planet in every field and endeavour.