Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

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What are the premises that must be met to consider a comment or publication very bad?
Can the administrators be abusive or abuse their authority when a member of the forum does not deserve to be expelled and they expel him?
Interesting question. Why do you ask? And who determines the part of 'does not deserve'?
And again any reaction of mine or others to your questions creates noise in a thread with a very different subject and again it's about you.

At least the moderators have a long expertise in doing what they do and I'm sure none of them is taking the responsibility lightly, nor do they have 'personal' reasons when someone gets expelled.
You see, personally I believe you lied to us when you were asked straight away whether you came here before under 2 different aliases. Well, that's a choice and my personal belief does not equal importance. In fact I try to find my lesson in you triggering me, so thank you.

You say some of us are permissive and others are not. Whatever the reaction you seek and draw a lot of attention here.
If your wish to be part of this forum is so great why not come clean first?
Lies and self-aggrandisement are not the greatest choice to start here.

apologize to MJF for using his post to talk about this because I don't want to put it in another place that could upset Laura or another administrator
I am new to the forum and I wanted to know how the forum moderators and administrators regulate and control this forum?:
Can they be wrong to expel someone?
You could open your own thread about your questions thereby not 'using' this one.
 
Although I am still working on my Rosicrucians and America article, I came across this very interesting article on Nicolas Poussin’s paintings by Josh Kroeker, which I would like to share with you.

See: Andrew Gough's Arcadia

On this thread and elsewhere, Forum members have discovered curious hidden objects (e.g., skulls, chalices etc.) in Poussin’s works, which may help to shed light on the real mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. Indeed, it may be useful for an Administrator to take all these Poussin posts and put them into a new Poussin thread where others can post their own ideas on these findings. However, Josh Kroeker’s article (which I found via the researcher Andrew Gough’s website) focuses primarily on the mountains depicted in Poussin’s painting. His observations put me in mind of something the C’s once said about the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery:

A: Just look. Now folks, remember: Rennes-le-Chateau is a means, not an end. Sort of like unlocking the trunk, expecting to find the gold, and merely finding a map.

For those of you of a more scientific leaning or bent, I would direct you particularly to footnote 1 of the article, where Professor Christopher Cornford, an art expert, confirms that Poussin employed an older, ‘masonic geometric’ structure that used pentagonal geometry rather than the more customary arithmetic subdivisions of the rectangle that other artists of the period used when painting his The Shepherds of Arcadia. This observation may be highly suggestive since Poussin is suspected of being a Freemason and/or a Rosiccrucian who concealed esoteric knowledge in his works to be discovered by those who were in the know. It is also worth recalling that Poussin learned the art of perspective from the great German Jesuit scholar and polymath Athanasius Kircher who some credit with inventing the magic lantern (even if he didn’t invent it, his findings may have paved the way for its invention). Correct me if I am wrong here, but one Forum member came up with some astonishing hidden perspectives in both The Shepherds of Arcadia and another famous painting of Poussin’s known variously as Winter or the Deluge by focusing on the rectangular division method. Perhaps that member, when reading this, could apply his techniques to the other paintings of Poussin shown in Kroeker’s article to see what they may yield. However, it is important to note that pentagonal geometry can create a link to higher spatial dimensions, as hinted at by the C’s (see my comments on the footnote). So, using this technique, who knows what else Poussin may have hidden in his works.

It is also interesting to note who these other paintings were commissioned for. Two of them were for the infamous Cardinal Richelieu of France (who was chief minister to King Louis XIII of France) and another was commissioned for Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria a member of the Habsburg royal family, from whose ranks the Holy Roman Emperor was drawn. Hence, as you can see, Poussin had very high-profile clients. Let us also recall here how desperate King Louis XIV of France was to lay his hands on Poussin’s The Shepherds of Arcadia. When he finally managed to acquire it, he hid it away in his royal chambers where it could be viewed only with the King’s express consent.


Poussin’s Mountainous Mystery

By Josh Kroeker

When examining the mystery of Rennes-le-Château, it is difficult to ignore the apparent significance of Nicolas Poussin’s enigmatic painting, Shepherds of Arcadia (1638-40), sometimes known as Et in Arcadia Ego (and which I will refer to simply as Arcadia). The discovery of underlying geometric designs in the painting [1], and the conclusion that the landscape portrayed could, in fact, be a location near Rennes-le-Château [2], lend credence to the belief that important information may be encoded in the painting. This, along with the reference to Poussin in one of the parchments discovered by the priest, Bérenger Saunière, in his church in the south of France, suggests that Poussin was intrinsically tied to a mystery.

In 1886 Saunière began to restore his dilapidated church in the small village of Rennes-le-Château, in the Languedoc region of south-western France, an area which had been occupied by the Visigoths, the Cathars and the Knights Templar. While conducting his renovations Saunière discovered that one of the ancient pillars in the church contained a hollow compartment with unusual documents inside; excerpts from the Bible, encoded with obscure messages. Having realised that he may have discovered ancient texts of considerable importance, Saunière travelled to Paris to seek the assistance of Catholic officials. When he returned to Rennes-le-Château he used his new-found wealth to complete the renovation of his church and village, and built a tower dedicated to Mary Magdalene. He also bestowed lavish gifts on the inhabitants of the village. In just one year the village priest had gone from honouring his vows of poverty to becoming a generous benefactor. Just what had he discovered?

Henry Lincoln began investigating the legends of the region, such as Saunière’s mysterious wealth, in the late 1960’s and produced documentaries on the subject for the BBC. This led him to co-author the bestseller, Holy Blood, Holy Grail (1982), which Dan Brown used as the source for his novel and subsequent movie, The Da Vinci Code (2003). During his research Lincoln was led to a hidden message, encrypted in the parchments discovered by Saunière decades earlier. The process of decoding this message was extremely complicated and focused on letters placed in the text of the parchments, which did not appear in the Biblical passages. The encryption followed a series of steps, using key words, to create the following riddle:​

BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION QUE POUSSIN TENIERS GARDENT LA CLEF PAX DCLXXXI PAR LA CROIX ET CE CHEVAL DE DIEU J’ACHEVE CE DAEMON DE GARDIEN A MIDI POMMES BLEUES

SHEPHERDESS NO TEMPTATION THAT POUSSIN TENIERS HOLD THE KEY PEACE 681 BY THE CROSS AND THIS HORSE OF GOD I COMPLETE [or I DESTROY] THIS DAEMON GUARDIAN AT MIDDAY BLUE APPLES

While the full meaning of this riddle has never been clear, its reference to Poussin and the word ‘shepherdess’ have led many researchers to study the painting, Shepherds of Arcadia, which features the image of a shepherdess, along with others gathered around a tomb, in the hope of finding answers to the mystery.

The reference to Poussin is intriguing, and when examined in conjunction with the puzzling letter sent by Abbé Louis Fouquet to his brother, Nicolas Fouquet, Superintendent of Finances to King Louis XIV, the mystery deepens. Abbé Fouquet, who had just visited Poussin in Rome, wrote a letter indicating that Poussin was in possession of a great secret:​

‘He and I discussed certain things, which I shall with ease be able to explain to you in detail – things that will give you, through Monsieur Poussin, advantages which even kings would have great pains to draw from him, and which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever be able to rediscover in the centuries to come. And, what is more, these are things so difficult to discover that nothing now on this earth can prove of better fortune nor be their equal.’
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Nicolas Poussin, Shepherds of Arcadia, Musée du Louvre, Paris
While the contents of Fouquet’s letter are well known to Rennes-le-Château enthusiasts, the riddle has yet to be solved. Nevertheless, Arcadia remains the most popular candidate to conceal the secret, while Poussin’s other works receive considerably less attention. However, it is in Poussin’s other works that we see pieces of an elaborate puzzle and the linking of five of his other paintings to Arcadia, and thus to the mystery of Rennes-le-Château.

As we proceed in our deconstruction of the linked paintings, we will assume that any demonstrable connection to Arcadia indicates that the painting in question is also significant. With this approach, we can we see how elaborately Poussin encoded his secret; the technological advances of the past century have enabled insight that would have been virtually impossible in the 1600’s.
The Mountains of Arcadia

I began my research into the mystery of Rennes-le-Château in 2004. Although I was only sixteen at the time, I was amazed that a mystery so intriguing even existed and was determined to learn everything I could about it. I began looking at the works of Nicolas Poussin and David Teniers, in order to gain a perspective into their art that might help me find clues in Arcadia. While looking through Poussin’s paintings from the mid-1630’s, I noticed a familiar shape in the background of the Triumph of Pan (1635-37). In the top left of the painting, partially covered by trees, is the shape of the main mountain in Arcadia.

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Nicolas Poussin, Triumph of Pan, National Gallery, London
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Close-up of the mountain in Arcadia and Triumph of Pan
I was excited about the similarity, but still wary that it could be a coincidence. However, it only took a few minutes to discover that the other half of the mountain appeared in the background of another painting, the Nurture of Jupiter (1636), which was painted around the same time as the Triumph of Pan.

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Nicolas Poussin, Nurture of Jupiter, Dulwich Picture Gallery, London
I now had two distinct works that appeared to contain links to the Arcadia painting, and my next step was to identify any connections between the two. Astonishingly, I discovered that, side by side, the two paintings fitted together, as if pieces of a puzzle, forming a complete mountain in almost the exact shape as the one in the background of Arcadia.

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Close-up, showing the similarities between the ‘complete’ mountain (left) and the mountain in Arcadia
With this insight I was able to conclude that the mountain was, in fact, significant to the mystery. At the same time, I had no idea what it meant. The only thing that was clear was that it could hardly be considered a coincidence, and that Poussin had intentionally placed the mountain in three different paintings. It was not until a year later, while featuring Rennes-le-Château in a report for another project that I discovered the next two pieces of the puzzle.

My research encouraged me to look further into Poussin’s other paintings to try and find the other background features from Arcadia, which do not appear in the Nurture of Jupiter or Triumph of Pan. My process remained the same: search for features in the landscapes that corresponded with those in Arcadia and then join them together and look for further clues. With this approach I discovered that, when added to the right side of Triumph of Pan, the Sacrament of Baptism (1642) matched up, and when added to the left of Nurture of Jupiter, St John Baptising in the River Jordan (1630’s) completed the landscape from Poussin’s Arcadia.

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Nicolas Poussin, St John Baptising in the River Jordan, J. Paul Getty Museum, Los Angeles
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Close-up of Arcadia and St John Baptising in the River Jordan
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Nicolas Poussin, Sacrament of Baptism, National Gallery of Art, Washington
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Close-up of the mountains in Arcadia and Sacrament of Baptism
Operating under the assumption that the Arcadia painting is special and rather important, the four connected paintings must be examined with equal scrutiny, in order to determine what clues they may hold and how they might help form Poussin’s piece of the ‘key’.
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The complete landscape of Arcadia, reproduced by juxtaposing four other paintings by Poussin
Before examining the connections with other Poussin paintings, let us look at the facts that can be derived from this discovery:

Poussin went to great lengths to create an elaborate landscape background, through four different paintings over at least a seven-year time period; a feat that would have required great planning and execution. Poussin knew that for anyone to be aware of this connection, all four paintings had to be brought together; an unlikely scenario, unless someone was looking for them specifically. Even today, all four paintings are spread across the globe. It is only as a result of today’s advanced photographic methods, and the use of the internet, that Poussin’s works can now be viewed side by side. This is a concept that would have been inconceivable to Abbé Fouquet, who wrote that it is possible no-one would discover what Poussin had hidden in his art.

I can only speculate about the connections in the paintings and what they mean. If the background is an actual landscape near Rennes-le-Château, is Poussin drawing us a map, with clues as to how to get there? Or is his objective simply to draw attention to the shape of this mountain, so that it can be identified elsewhere? After all, Poussin ‘holds the key’ to finding whatever is concealed; but does this mean that it is in his works that the riddles of the Rennes-le-Château mystery can be solved? One thing is certain: Poussin’s depiction of the landscape in Arcadia and the four other connected paintings is intentional and warrants further attention.​

Expanding the Poussin Mystery

So, what is contained in the connected paintings that stand out as significant? It appears that Poussin has left clues, but what message is he trying to convey? I noticed that there was a seven-year gap between Poussin’s Sacrament of Baptism and the other three paintings. Whilst studying when, and for whom, these works were painted, I noticed another painting that appeared connected; however, this was not an additional piece of Poussin’s puzzle, but rather a replacement for one already in place.

First, let us look at the history of Triumph of Pan. It was commissioned by Cardinal Richelieu in the mid 1630’s, along with two other paintings, Triumph of Bacchus (1635-36) and Triumph of Silenus (1637). It is now accepted that the existing Triumph of Silenus is but a copy of the lost original. However, Triumph of Bacchus is held in the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art in Kansas and would have been kept with the other two paintings in Richelieu’s Cabinet de la Chambre du Roy. Taking a closer look at Triumph of Bacchus, we can see that the shape of a mountain appears in the background, similar to that found in Arcadia and Sacrament of Baptism.
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Nicolas Poussin, Triumph of Bacchus, Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, Kansas City

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Comparison of the mountains in Triumph of Bacchus, Arcadia and Sacrament of Baptism
Although the shape is similar to the mountain in Arcadia, this alone was insufficient evidence for me to accept that they were one and the same. However, when reviewing Triumph of Bacchus, I noticed further clues in the symbolism of the landscape. On the right-hand side of Triumph of Bacchus and Sacrament of Baptism can be seen what appears to be a small tower that Poussin placed in both paintings. It was after this discovery that I suspected that Triumph of Bacchus, and not Sacrament of Baptism, was the original far right-side component to the four-painting scene.

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Close-up of the small tower in Triumph of Bacchus and Sacrament of Baptism
Continued in Part 2​
 

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Before examining the connections with other Poussin paintings, let us look at the facts that can be derived from this discovery:

Poussin went to great lengths to create an elaborate landscape background, through four different paintings over at least a seven-year time period; a feat that would have required great planning and execution. Poussin knew that for anyone to be aware of this connection, all four paintings had to be brought together; an unlikely scenario, unless someone was looking for them specifically. Even today, all four paintings are spread across the globe. It is only as a result of today’s advanced photographic methods, and the use of the internet, that Poussin’s works can now be viewed side by side. This is a concept that would have been inconceivable to Abbé Fouquet, who wrote that it is possible no-one would discover what Poussin had hidden in his art.

I can only speculate about the connections in the paintings and what they mean. If the background is an actual landscape near Rennes-le-Château, is Poussin drawing us a map, with clues as to how to get there? Or is his objective simply to draw attention to the shape of this mountain, so that it can be identified elsewhere? After all, Poussin ‘holds the key’ to finding whatever is concealed; but does this mean that it is in his works that the riddles of the Rennes-le-Château mystery can be solved? One thing is certain: Poussin’s depiction of the landscape in Arcadia and the four other connected paintings is intentional and warrants further attention.​

Perhaps it is not the background, and the issue is much simpler. What we are looking at is Poussin's point of view. That is, the panoramic image shows us where Poussin is standing. Who knows if where Poussin stands marks the X.

There is also the possibility that the panorama is showing the direction or where to look at the location of the alchemists' enclave.
 
Poussin’s Mountainous Mystery Part 2

The revelation begged the question: when placed next to Triumph of Pan, did Triumph of Bacchus match up? The answer is yes, and no. The background that appears in Triumph of Bacchus does not match up with Triumph of Pan like the others obviously do, but in the foreground of the painting they do match up quite well.

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Triumph of Pan alongside Triumph of Bacchus
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Close-up of foregrounds matching up​

There are yet other connections, including a character from Poussin’s earlier Shepherds of Arcadia (1629) painting.
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Nicolas Poussin, Shepherds of Arcadia, The Duke of Devonshire and
the Chatsworth Settlement Trustees, Chatsworth
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Similar characters in Triumph of Pan and Shepherds of Arcadia (1629)
One of the clearest symbols in the connected paintings is the dove above the mountain in both Arcadia and Triumph of Pan. Looking back at the mountain comparison pictures, one can see the shape of a dove in the outline of the clouds in Arcadia and an actual dove in Sacrament of Baptism, and what is believed to be Hercules riding across the sky on a chariot drawn by horses stolen from Apollo [3] in Triumph of Bacchus. All these images seem to draw attention to this specific mountain. With the dove being a worldwide symbol for peace, is it possible that the dove is the connection to the word ‘peace’ being placed into the riddle; and the horses Hercules is riding may refer to the ‘horse of God’ from the Rennes-le-Château parchments? Although speculative, the possibility is intriguing.

The question then becomes: why would Poussin return to a theme seven years after he had created his original paintings? I believe the answer is that Poussin feared that the original dove in Arcadia was not readily apparent and that by going back and repainting the landscape with a real dove he would draw more attention to it. What does the dove mean, what could it represent, and why did Poussin go to so much trouble to make sure that its symbolism was not lost?

I believe that Poussin interwove many complex connections into several paintings that, until now, have not been connected. If Fouquet’s letter is indeed true, and Poussin did possess knowledge that was more valuable than any treasure on earth, would he have let that secret die with him, or would he have ensured that the information would be passed on to those who knew how to find it? It is also certain that if Poussin returned to paint the Sacrament of Baptism to encode his message in a different and easier to find way, at least part of the message would be preserved.

A further question remains regarding the fate of the Triumph of Silenus. If only a copy of the original exists, what was held in the third work that was commissioned for Cardinal Richelieu; and how important is it to the discovery of the secret that Poussin concealed? Why were they painted for Cardinal Richelieu? Why give two of the four works that comprise the complete landscape to Richelieu (and possibly another, if the Triumph of Silenus is connected) if the secret was to be known by only one person? Was it Poussin’s intention that Richelieu be the one to discover his secret, or were there other reasons for the placement of these paintings? A possible explanation lies in the connection that Poussin’s landscape may have with other artists’ paintings; most prominently, David Teniers, the other artist mentioned in Saunière’s parchments. A verifiable link between the two painters has never been proven, except for their mention in the priest’s parchments. However, it is the discovery of Poussin’s hidden landscape that creates a ground-breaking connection between two seemingly unrelated painters.
Bridging the Gap

We now return to the riddle and ask: if finding this landscape proves that Saunière’s decoded parchment is indeed a valid resource for unravelling the Rennes-le-Château mystery, then the other elements need to be examined with equal merit. Operating on the belief that the word ‘shepherdess’ points to Arcadia as being significant (as well as the five other paintings), then the words ‘no temptation’ could also point to David Teniers’ contribution. It is widely accepted that ‘no temptation’ refers to one of Teniers’ many portrayals of the Temptation of St Anthony; specifically, one where he is not being tempted. There is much symbolism connecting these paintings with the Rennes-le-Château mystery; however, alternate interpretations can be drawn.

In 1651 David Teniers completed a series of at least four paintings that served as a visual archive for the gallery accumulated by the Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria. Teniers was mindful of being precise, even noting the names of each artist in the frames of the represented paintings. The ‘no temptation’ reference in the decoded message could refer to these paintings, and one in particular. I believe it is referred to in this way because Teniers was never tempted by the knowledge of the secret and its value, but rather conveyed the message through copies of paintings created by those who did have the knowledge, whether or not he held that information himself.

With further research, I discovered Poussin’s mountain once more, this time in David Teniers’ archive paintings. In the top left corner of the painting below, entitled simply, Archduke Leopold Wilhelm in his Gallery (1647), I identified the same mountain which Poussin had explicitly included in other paintings. Its features are very distinct and, again, seemingly intentional.

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David Teniers, Archduke Leopold Wilhelm in his Gallery, Museo del Prado, Madrid
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Close-up of painting containing the ‘Arcadia mountain’
There was now a direct connection between the works of Poussin and the works of Teniers, the two artists referenced in the decoded message. Immediately, this raised more questions, such as: did this mountain, which existed in multiple paintings, provide a clue as to what the key is, or was it a key at all?

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Close-up of mountain in Teniers’ Gallery painting (left), Arcadia (centre) and Nurture of Jupiter and Triumph of Pan combined (right)

There are facts about this work and, in particular, the individual for whom the painting was commissioned, that create an interesting perspective, if these paintings are, in fact, those required in order to solve the riddle. At least two of the five connected paintings that form the background landscape in Poussin’s paintings were commissioned for Cardinal Richelieu, and the Teniers Gallery painting was commissioned for Archduke Leopold Wilhelm. In their day, these two notables were at odds politically. Cardinal Richelieu was in complete opposition to the rule of the Habsburg family in Europe, of which Leopold was a member. If these paintings had to be used together in order to discover what was hidden in them, then there was a very slim chance of the secret being revealed, given the animosity between their owners.

As with many discoveries in the Rennes-le-Château mystery, these findings raised yet more questions, most prominently: if Teniers’ Gallery painting simply depicted reproductions of other paintings, was there another artist, completely separate from Poussin and Teniers (and who may have held the same knowledge possessed by Poussin), who was now involved and had placed clues in his own art? Who was this new painter and what clues did he hold?

The Sun Amidst Small Stars

The artists displayed in Archduke Leopold Wilhelm’s gallery included, amongst others, Palma Vecchio, Jacopo Tintoretto, Lorenzo Lotto and the artist that our attention now turns to, Tiziano Vicellio, or Titian, as he was known. In his painting, Nymph and Shepherd (1575-76), we find the next piece of the puzzle.

The artists displayed in Archduke Leopold Wilhelm’s gallery included, amongst others, Palma Vecchio, Jacopo Tintoretto, Lorenzo Lotto and the artist that our attention now turns to, Tiziano Vicellio, or Titian, as he was known. In his painting, Nymph and Shepherd (1575-76), we find the next piece of the puzzle.

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Titian, Nymph and Shepherd, Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna
Titian was one of the most influential Italian artists of the 16th century and his works are considered to be masterpieces. His painting is reproduced by Teniers in his gallery archive and what is interesting, with regard to the mystery, is that he lived in the century before Teniers and Poussin. He painted Nymph and Shepherd in 1575 and it was not until 1636 that Poussin painted his mountain, and 1647 when Teniers recreated it in his gallery paintings.

When looking at Titian’s work, Nymph and Shepherd, darkened over time, it is difficult to determine whether the same mountain appears in the background. Therefore, even if someone was aware of the importance of the mountain from Poussin’s paintings, they would not see it, because the painting is worn. A slight outline still exists, but it is not distinct enough to determine if it is the same mountain. It may be thanks only to Teniers’ strict attention to detail when reproducing the painting that we can see the features which existed when the painting was merely 72 years of age, as opposed to its current age of 435+ years. This affords us the unique insight that the mountain was possibly portrayed by another, even more influential, artist. Until further x-ray analysis of the painting is carried out, it is impossible to be sure.


If the painting by Titian had been commissioned, it is not known by whom. This was one of Titian’s last works, painted in the final months of his life and not discovered until after his death [4]. Tracing Titian’s connection to the Rennes-le-Château mystery at first seems to provide no answers. However, when one looks into who his friends were, more possible connections surface.

Titian, in his later years, became good friends with, and, some speculate, even intimate with, a man named Pietro Aretino. Aretino was an author, playwright and poet. He is considered one of the world’s earliest pornographers and often mocked prominent political and religious leaders; he was considered one of the wittiest writers of the Renaissance. Despite Aretino’s political incorrectness, Pope Clement VII appointed him to the Knights of Rhodes. This group was originally known as the Knights Hospitaller during the crusades and was renowned for working closely with the Templars in the Holy Land. It was the Knights of Rhodes who received the Templars’ possessions after most of the order was killed by the Church and French government. This is important to note, because many believe that what is held at Rennes-le-Château was placed there by the Templars; the area around Rennes-le-Château in the Languedoc was inhabited by the Templars for many years while they prevailed in Europe. Might there be a connection between what the Templars may have left in Rennes-le-Château and what was given to the Knights of Rhodes?

So, what does all this mean with respect to the mystery of Rennes-le-Château? These discoveries open up a new direction that could help unveil the hidden message, prompting new questions, such as:

Had Titian acquired the same knowledge that Poussin was said to possess, and will his paintings contain evidence of what this knowledge is?

Is the landscape, that is intentionally placed in at least six different paintings by two (possibly three) different artists, the ‘key’ described in the message from Saunière’s parchment?

Are the further references in Saunière’s parchment clues to different Titian paintings to look for?
If the mountain exists near Rennes-le-Château, then is it possible that the artists were creating a visual map that points to a specific location in the area?

Although it would appear that these connections simply raise more questions than answers, it is safe to say that there is a mystery surrounding the mountains portrayed in the paintings, and that those who depicted the landscape placed it with the deliberate intent of passing on a message to those with the means to find it.

- Josh Kroeker

Footnotes:

1. Professor Christopher Cornford of the Royal College of Arts studied the geometric structure of Arcadia. Despite the fact that the majority of paintings he had studied before this used ‘arithmetic subdivisions of the rectangle”, Arcadia used an older, ‘masonic geometric’ structure that used pentagonal geometry.

MJF: Pentagonal geometry may link here with the mathematical form called the ‘pentatope’, which is the simplest regular figure in four dimensions, representing the four-dimensional analog of the solid tetrahedron. Essentially it is a three-dimensional tetrahedron as it would be seen in four dimensions. The two-dimensional form of this four-dimensional object is a pentagon with the vertices connected by lines. As such, it would hold the key to accessing spatial dimensions higher than our traditional three. Curiously, this shape just happens to bear a striking resemblance to the so-called “D & M” Pyramid at Cydonia. Hence, we must ask whether Poussin had some esoteric knowledge of higher dimensions through his membership of the Freemasons or Rosicrucians, even if he had no true realisation of the hyperdimensional physics that such geometry underlies.

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Pentatope

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The D& M Pyramid on Mars

The pentatope may also explain what the C’s said here concerning the subject of the tetrahedron and the pentagon and its relationship to hyper-dimensional physics:

Session 17August 1996:

Q: (L) Do the tetrahedrons spin within the sphere? Do these power points of the tetrahedron spin?

A: Energy fields flow in balance.

Q: (T) So they're spinning to keep balance? (J) Like a gyro. [Notice that the Cs did NOT say that anything was spinning, only that energy was flowing.] (T) Is there... now, am I correct in the fact that there's a direct relationship here to the real Hebrew Star of David, to these tetrahedrals?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And that everything that has been done to it for the last 500 years or so, has been done to screw things up?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Yes. So that that symbol is not a religious symbol, as such, but a very important... (L)...power symbol?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) It describes a physics that transcends the densities.

A: So is pentagon.

Q: (T) So is the Pentagon? (J) A pentagon. (T) The pentagon shape. These are part of what humans describe as the sacred geometries.

A: Yes.


And here as well:

Session 28 November 1998:


Q: (A) Last time when we were talking, you made an essential division between the physical world and the non-physical world, ethereal world, the one which cannot be quantified. Now, I know something about the physical world, how it is built, and the main concepts of atoms and forces and so on. I would like to know what are the building blocks that describe this ethereal world. I am asking because you said that these two worlds can be bridged, if not united. In order to bridge them, I need to know something about this ethereal world. Where can I learn it?

A: Consciousness is in reality, the purest form of energy. The alter realm is composed of consciousness energy. To better understand the concept, one must utilize one’s memory of particularly vivid dreams, when one had the sensate of physicality in a transitory state.

Q:
(A) How to bridge the physical and ethereal worlds?


A: Gravity is the key. One must formulate an hypothesis based upon the quantum range of wave particulate transfer. In other words, where does the wave go when it appears to disappear into the very core of an object with a strong gravitational field? Pentagon, hexagon, you know?!?


Elsewhere, the C’s have also confirmed that there was a good reason why the Pentagon building in Washington DC, the headquarters of America’s military establishment, was built in that particular shape.
Lincoln, Henry. "Chapter 6 Shepherds of Arcadia." The Holy Place. New York: Arcade Pub., 1991. 62-63. Print.

2. Henry Lincoln compares the far-right mountain range that can be seen in Arcadia and Sacrament of Baptism to Cardou, Blanchefort and Rennes-le-Château when seen from the same angle.

Lincoln, Henry. "Chapter 6 Shepherds of Arcadia." The Holy Place. New York: Arcade Pub., 1991. 57. Print.

3. "The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art | Collection Database, The Triumph of Bacchus." The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art | Kansas City, Missouri. Web. 08 July 2010. http://www.nelson-atkins.org/art/CollectionDatabase.cfm?id=3200&theme=euro.

4. Web Gallery of Art, Image Collection, Virtual Museum, Searchable Database of European Fine Arts (1000-1850). Web. 08 July 2010. Web Gallery of Art, searchable fine arts image database.

Postscript

At the beginning of the article, Kroeker refers to the tower built by Abbe Saunière, which the priest dedicated to Mary Magdalene. Kroeker subsequently refers to the presence of a small tower in both the Triumph of Bacchus and the Sacrament of Baptism but without dwelling on the point. However, I think this may be a more important clue than Kroeker realises. The tower clearly cannot be the ‘Tour Magdala’ that was built by Saunière at the beginning of the 20th Century. But could Poussin have been referring to another, then extant, tower? This is a distinct possibility, which Andrew Gough is alive to, but this will have to wait until a subsequent post to elaborate on further.

There is also the theme of the dove, which appears in Poussin’s the Sacrament of Baptism. Although in Christian iconography the dove usually depicts the Holy Ghost or Spirit, the dove was also linked in antiquity with goddesses such Inanna-Ishtar, the Mesopotamian goddess of love, sexuality and war. In classical antiquity, doves were considered sacred to the Greek goddess Aphrodite. Aphrodite's associations with doves also influenced the Roman goddesses Venus and Fortuna, causing them to become associated with doves as well. Given the classical Greek references built into Poussin’s The Shepherds of Arcadia where the shepherds may be depicting Hercules, the Gemini (Castor and Pollux) and Ariadne (or the female mother goddess generally), one cannot rule such an association out.​

Then there is the reference to the dove in the Grail stories and legends. As Richard Barber states in his description of the Legend of the Holy Grail Gallery:

Wolfram von Eschenbach used Chrétien de Troyes' work as the basis for a very original version of the Grail story in the early 13th century. The Grail stone is of heavenly origin, and its history goes back to the rebellion of Lucifer against God. In other words, the Grail belongs to Christian mythology rather than the story told in the New Testament.

Each Good Friday a dove brings a small white wafer from heaven and places it on the stone: 'By this the stone receives everything good that bears scent on this earth by way of food and drink, as if it were the perfection of paradise.' The Grail has magical powers, and can provide food, but these powers are conferred on it by a divine providence.
[MJF: Indeed, the C’s have said that “In ancient times this object was called the Gift of God. It was used to aid in the manifestation of all things needful for existence.]

The symbol of the Grail knights is the turtle-dove, and this was an accepted symbol for the Holy Ghost, taken from the biblical account of Christ’s baptism when ‘he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove’. It is the Holy Ghost which descends to the Grail each Good Friday in the form of a dove, and the white wafer which it bears can only be intended as the wafer taken at Mass.

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I commented on this in my earlier post here:
(1) Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians | Page 44 | Cassiopaea Forum

The researcher Tracy Twyman commented on this painting saying that: “The painting shows one saint pointing up towards a descending dove that is carrying the holy host, a representation of the Grail stone”.

But as I pointed out, there does not appear to be a saint pointing up towards a descending dove in the above work and the bird is probably a raven not a dove.

In occultic terms, the Raven is a symbol of conspiring with the Universe, and all of the magic that it holds. The raven has a penchant for collecting shiny objects, as if they were his tools of divination. The raven is also adept at solving puzzles, as he is known for his intelligence and ability to learn quickly and apply his knowledge to difficult challenges. Hence, could this be an alternative meaning to Tenier’s depiction of a raven bringing bread to the two saints. Is the bird bringing knowledge to solve the puzzle?

However, the fact that the bird appears to be carrying a wafer in its beak does suggest a link to the Grail legend where a dove fulfils the same role.

Curiously there is another Tenier painting on the temptation of St Anthony the Hermit (both Teniers, father and son, painted several versions – don’t ask me why though), which clearly depicts a Grail like scene.​

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The young woman approaching St Anthony and the lady to his right who is pointing towards her seems to be a reference to Percival’s experience in the Grail castle where he saw a mysterious procession with a young maiden carrying the Grail on a platter. Here she seems to be carrying a chalice (unless my eyes deceive me), which is a Christian cypher for the Grail, with an attendant holding her train, suggesting nobility. Again, we have a bird swooping down, which may have a wafer in its beak (my copy of the painting is not the best). This particular depiction of the temptation of St Anthony therefore seems to be suggesting that the Grail may in itself represent a temptation, or test of virtue, to prove whether one is worthy of it and its gifts.

Kroeker did not choose to explore these other themes in his article but concentrated instead on the mountains in the background of Poussin’s paintings. In doing this though, I think he was really on to something. The question we need to ask is, if Poussin was depicting a real mountain, which mountain was it meant to be?​
 
Perhaps it is not the background, and the issue is much simpler. What we are looking at is Poussin's point of view. That is, the panoramic image shows us where Poussin is standing. Who knows if where Poussin stands marks the X.

There is also the possibility that the panorama is showing the direction or where to look at the location of the alchemists' enclave.
Your response was very quick out of the box I must say It may perhaps have helped to wait for Part 2 to have been posted to see the entire article first. I had to post it in two parts because of the high number of illustrations in the article, since the Forum imposes limits as to how many attachments you can incorporate in one post. Nevertheless you make a good point. However, I would say that Poussin was a very exact artist when constructing his paintings, within which he often concealed secret information (see attachment for an earlier article on this point). Hence, Poussin did nothing by chance. Why would he have wished to include the mountain as a background in all four of the paintings mentioned when one would have done?

As to your second point, it is certainly possible that Poussin was pointing in the direction of the location of the alchemists enclave but then, if Poussin was a Rosicrucian (who in their guise as the 'Philosophers of Dancar', as referred to in the Rosicrucian Manifest the Fama, would seem to be associated with the enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees), why would he choose to reveal their location? I may be wrong but I think it more likely that he may have been indicating the general location of the hidden Grail.

I look forward to receiving your comments on Footnote 1 of the article since I view that as a major discovery I was not aware of before and for me it raises all sorts of issues relevant to this Forum.​
 

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@MJF

Yes, I know, sometimes I get a little ahead of myself. It's just that when I saw the panorama, I immediately put myself in Poussin's place and the ideas came very fast, if I don't express them I forget them or I lose the order of things.

Now... it occurs to me that it is not that Poussin wants to reveal to the general public. We can consider that the paintings are a way or method of communication between members. (?) What I think is that if these people have managed to extend the duration of their lives, what would be the need to transmit things immediately? If your average lifespan is say 290 years or more, what would be the interval to meet with your long-lived friends? It must be very difficult to change your identity and not arouse suspicion.

The paintings could be something like a "mailing list" indicating date and place.
 
@MJF

Yes, I know, sometimes I get a little ahead of myself. It's just that when I saw the panorama, I immediately put myself in Poussin's place and the ideas came very fast, if I don't express them I forget them or I lose the order of things.

Now... it occurs to me that it is not that Poussin wants to reveal to the general public. We can consider that the paintings are a way or method of communication between members. (?) What I think is that if these people have managed to extend the duration of their lives, what would be the need to transmit things immediately? If your average lifespan is say 290 years or more, what would be the interval to meet with your long-lived friends? It must be very difficult to change your identity and not arouse suspicion.

The paintings could be something like a "mailing list" indicating date and place.
I understand what you mean. Unless I write things down immediately when I come across them, I am liable to forget the point pretty quickly. One of the penalties for growing older I am afraid.

I agree with your thinking. Poussin was certainly hiding things in his paintings, which only the cognoscenti (people who are especially well informed about a particular subject) would pick up on. That is why I am interested in the people who he was painting some of his works for. Cardinal Richelieu, for example, was one of the key statesman of Europe at that time and was no doubt a very well informed man. It is also evident that King Louis XIV recognised what was hidden in the painting of The Shepherds of Arcadia so much so that it led him to arrest the second most powerful man in France, Nicolas Fouquet, his Superintendent of Finances. It was Nicolas' brother Louis who had met with Poussin in Rome and written the letter to Nicolas in which he made the statement about a secret 'which even kings would have great pains to draw from him'. Fouquet would eventually be imprisoned perpetually and was kept in complete isolation and incommunicado. You have to think this must have been one hell of a secret to take such drastic action against one of your right-hand men. Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander to write The Man in the Iron Mask.

It is worth noting that Poussin spent most of his adult life in Italy. He only returned once to France to meet with Cardinal Richelieu, perhaps to discuss those painting commissions referred to in Kroeker's article. However, it may not just be the hidden clues in The Shepherds of Arcadia we need to consider but the theme of the painting itself and the inscription on the tomb 'Et in Arcadia Ego', which may have been a major calling card for those in the know. Here we need to keep in mind the importance of the question the C's posed when they asked Laura, "where was Arcadia?"

The three authors of the The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail went into the Arcadia motif in some detail, noting that it was Rene D'Anjou, a nobleman who did much to kickstart the Rennaisance via his contacts with the Medicis (particularly Cosimo) of Florence, who in the 15th Century first promoted the theme of Arcadia and the Grail. As the three authors noted, Rene (who once employed Christopher Columbus and whose daughter Marguerite was married to Henry VI of England) retained at his court a Jewish astrologer, cabalist and physician known as Jean de Saint-Remy, who many consider to have been the grandfather of Michel Nostradamus. Apparently, Rene had a particular preoccupation with the Grail. The authors note that it was during Rene's career that the motif of Arcadia appears to have made its debut in Western Christian culture. Rene would in 1449 stage a series of pas d'armes (a hybrid mixture of tournament and masque) at his court one of which was called 'The Pas d'Armes of the Shepherdess', the shepherdess being an explicitly Arcadian figure, embodying both romantic and philosophical attributes. The event was singular fusion of the pastoral Arcadian romance with the pageantry of the Round Table and the mysteries of the Holy Grail. Arcadia figured elsewhere in Rene's work, frequently being denoted by a fountain or tomb, both of which are associated with an underground stream (which we have noted before is connected with the river Alpheus - Poussin including the river god Alpheus in his first version of Et In Arcadia Ego).

The authors then note that during the 16th Century, Arcadia and 'the underground stream' became a prominent cultural feature and in England it would inspire Sir Philip Sidney's (an associate of Sir Francis Bacon) greatest work, Arcadia. However, by the 17th Century the motif of Arcadia would culminate in Nicolas Poussin and The Shepherds of Arcadia. However, the phrase 'Et In Arcadia Ego' had made its public debut first in a painting by Giovanni Francesco Guercino at some time between 1618-1623. In Guercino's painting, two shepherds enter a clearing in a forest and happen upon a stone sepulchre bearing the famous inscription, which has a large skull resting on top of it (thus similar to Poussin's first version of Et In Arcadia Ego, which can be found in my postscript to Kroeker's article posted above).
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Et in Arcadia ego (also known as The Arcadian Shepherds) by the Italian Baroque artist Giovanni Francesco Barbieri (Guercino)​

Coming back to your point about paintings being a way or method of communication between members of an elite group, we need to note here that Guercino was not only well versed in esoteric tradition, he also seems to have been conversant with the lore of secret societies and some of his other paintings deal with themes of a specifically Masonic nature or character - which was a good twenty years or more before masonic lodges began proliferating in England and Scotland. Indeed, one of his paintings, 'The Raising of the Master' which pertains specifically to the Masonic legend of Hiram Abiff, the legendary architect and builder of Solomon's temple. Guercino's painting was executed nearly a century before the Hiram legend is generally believed to have found its way into Masonry.

And, as we have learned, there is good reason to connect Poussin to Freemasonry and/or the Rosicrucians. However, the three authors of the Holy Grail go on to add that:

"Whatever the origin of the phrase 'Et in Arcadia Ego' [it] seems, for both Guercino and Poussin, to have [been] more than a line of elegiac poetry. Quite clearly it seems to have enjoyed some important secret significance, which was recognisable or identifiable to certain other people - the equivalent in short, of a Masonic sign or password."

Which I think was exactly the point you were making. The three authors of the The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail then quote from the infamous Prieure documents, which if even if they were a work of fiction, makes a good point about the character or symbolism of allegorical art:

"Allegorical works have this advantage, that a single word suffices to illumine connections which the multitude cannot grasp. Such works are available to everyone, but their significance addresses itself to an elite. Above and beyond the masses, sender and receiver understand each other. The inexplicable success of certain works derives from this quality of allegory, which constitutes not a mere fashion, but a form of esoteric communication."

Although the above statement was made with reference to Poussin specifically, as the medieval and occultic scholar Frances Yates has demonstrated, it might equally well be applied to the works of Leonardo da Vinci, Botticelli and other Renaissance artists. The three authors point out that it might also be applied to later figures such as Victor Hugo, Debussy, Jean Cocteau and their respective circles. I would add Jules Verne and Salvador Dali too and one might also extend this allegorical communication methodology to modern movies as well. Indeed, we have already explored Cocteau and his works (he was both an artist and a film director) on this thread and the suspicions that he may have been a Rosicrucian. In the Prieure documents, he was listed as the current Grand Master of the Priory of Sion. I hope to have more to say on Cocteau in an upcoming article.

We might also consider whether this elite group encompasses members of the special bloodline the C's have referred to, who in earlier times supposedly communicated between themselves using kites. Could it be that they may have moved on in the late Middle Ages to more sophisticated methods such as artistic works? This focus on the Grail and Arcadia in such artistic works obviously links us to the Arthurian legends to which they seem to have been appended. The special bloodline the C's speak of seems to be connected to the Nordic Covenant and the C's had this to say about the link between King Arthur and the Covenant:
Session 15 August 1998:

Q: (L) Okay, now: I would like to know if there was a real historic person behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Close. Sorcerer’s coven. Secret pact of coven is covenant.

Q: (L) Was this the Nordic Covenant behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Not really.

Q: (L) I think that implies that there might be a connection?

A: Maybe there is something more like an offshoot.

Q: (L) The Nordic Covenant is an offshoot of the Arthurian Covenant or vice versa?

A: King Arthur story based on an offshoot of the Nordic Covenant root.

Q: (L) Okay, now you say that the Nordic Covenant can be positive or negative. Would the Arthurian Cycle be of the Positive Offshoot?

A: Both.

Q: (L) What period of time did this Sorcerer’s Coven …

A: During the ‘Dark Ages’.

Q: (L) Can you get me closer to a year or period of years?

A: We will let you do that.

[…]

Q: (L) […] How many people were in this covenant?

A: Look for answers, trees will lead you to it?

Q: (L) What literary source can I go to find the least distorted or corrupted information?

A: Trees.


So we learn that the King Arthur story was an offshoot (which can represents a cutting from a plant) of the Nordic Covenant. The literary source the C's meant seems to have been discussed in this subsequent session:

Session 29 August 1998:
Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?

A: Soul.

Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?

A: You cannot see?

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.

Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?

A: Certainly.


This reference to trees leading Laura to the answers concerning the Nordic Covenant and its Arthurian offshoot intrigues me. There is also the issue of the Holy Grail, which features in the Arthurian tales and may well be intimately connected to the Nordic Covenant. In Christian iconography it usually depicted as a chalice. In a 1999 session the C's expounded further on the Nordic Covenant but also curiously made a reference to Laura finding a 'chalice', which could be a purely metaphorical statement but might also relate to the Grail:​

Session 2 January 1999:

Q: Well, let me get to some of these other questions. Previously you said that the central thing about the Nordic Covenant was that there were bloodlines that extend off the planet. From what I understand, all humans on the planet have bloodlines that extend off the planet. In what sense did you mean this about the Nordic Covenant; that the bloodlines extend off the planet?

A: Not all so recent, not all so “pure.”

Q: In the sense of recent, how recent do you mean?

A: Speculate, using your transcripts.


[... ]

Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man … and you said ‘if viewed through sheets of rain.’ So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun … the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about ‘sheets of rain?’

A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

A: Wait and see!


The issue of what they meant by 'sheets of rain' has been discussed in recent times on the Forum (I am happy for somebody to add the link) but also on this thread - see here: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians. Quoting from the earlier post:

10 August 2001​

Q: Yeah, when I saw that picture on his webpage, I knew he'd been projecting that. He was sitting there focusing on it so I would see it. I told you, I showed it to you, didn't I? That was what I saw, that twisted up figure 8 thing. [Laughter.] I couldn't figure it out, what in the world it was. Is there an object buried in France I'm supposed to find?
A: Yes.
Q: Are we going to find it?
A: Yes.
Q: Can you tell us what year we'll be finding it
A: Two (tape ended and was blank for some time then picked back up with a segment of what sounded like a heartbeat
Q: What is the object?
A: Holy grail.

Q: What is the holy grail? {Tape noise gets very, very loud here. Planchette was spinning around and drawing figures.}
Q: Huh. I don't know if they were drawing something or just playing. Guess they're not going to answer that one. Well, anything you want to ask? (A) Yes. It's pretty fun to be talking, so we're talking ... it's fun.


16 July 2016
Q: (L) Considering that sort of charge in the atmosphere kind of leads to the idea that we could be entering a period where some of those things described by the ancients like these giant plasma figures in the sky could begin occurring. Is that correct?

A: Yes. Holy Grail!

Q: (Pierre) The chalice shape of the Z pinch phenomenon.

A: Sheets of rain! Transiting realities?

Q: (L) That's a reference to a previous session where "sheets of rain" and "holy grail" were mentioned in the same session I think... Is the basic idea of the Holy Grail actually some kind of memory or record of the manifestation of some gigantic plasma phenomenon that opens a portal into another reality? Like the strange tale of the castle of the Fisher King where time stopped? And possibly something that can be utilized…?

A: Close!

Q: (L) So in other words, those things you talked about many times before – time travel and interdimensional transport - where it took like mega or gigavolts of electricity to open portals or operate... the Philadelphia Experiment type things...

A: Yes, now you are tracking well!

This one looks a bit like a chalice I think.

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From The Squatting Man, page 1

Which makes me wonder why the Grail has been linked with the imagery of a chalice for so long. Here is the unusual perspective of Poussin's painting The Shepherds of Arcadia, which I originally took from a posting by 'Akopirnas' in 2013
(see Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians)

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"Yes, Muxel, here is the picture (clickable images) from that time probably after correct splitting - excuse me my answer after 1,5 year..:
Now we have:

1) Low place between stones

2) Two faces of Janus, which associates with trading (once again - german Handl?), rocks, caverns, covered passages, doors and underpassages...

3) Big shadow of some invisible cup...

4) Pyramid in dark circle

6) Something shining under pyramid in the form of a crystal

7) Place where two rivers merged or now merge (receded and dry/dried stream channels?)

8) A compass or letter A on a pyramid

9) Over compass - swagger stick with vegetative or water motive. Or little skull over a horizontal line dividing a pyramid...


So, Akopirnas manages to link in this one post: a pyramid, an invisible cup (chalice), a form of crystal, a compass (a major symbol of Freemasonry), the two faces of the Roman god Janus (the Baphomet skull may have multiple faces) and a little skull.

However, a chalice and a skull is also visible in the other double perspective of Poussin's painting that was posted on this thread back in May 2021 See: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

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For those who can't make it out, the chalice is at the bottom of the painting between the feet of the two bearded figures. The skull can be made out in the wall with the heads of each bearded figure creating the eye sockets. I would also suggest that the green foliage at the top of the painting set in the cloud also creates the shape of a chalice.

Thus, we again have the combination of a chalice and a skull. Is this just coincidence or did Poussin (the "Guardian of Secrets") intend this? Given Poussin's Rosicrucian background, I highly doubt it is coincidence. This artist paid very close attention to detail and perspective and evidently intended to pass on secret, esoteric information in his work, just as Shakespeare did in his plays. Moreover, we should recall that Abbe Sauniere, the parish priest of Rennes-le-Chateau, bought a copy of this painting, presumably to study it for clues. This supports my theory, as advanced by researchers like Otto Rahn, Andrew Gough and William Henry, that the true mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau is about the Holy Grail.


Now I am not certain to this day whether the mirror image of Poussin's painting shown above is the mirror image perspective the C's had proposed to Laura. For one thing we lose the shepherdess altogether (which may be significant - who knows?). However, I still find it strange that above the mountain, the mirror image produces a chalice in the form of tree foliage with something emerging from the top of it (perhaps representing a host like the one the dove swooped down to give in the Percival account of the Grail castle?). And then there is the second chalice found at the base of the tomb. Is it significant that the first chalice appears above the mountain, the same mountain that Kroeker's article focused on? Either side of it there are trees and the C's said "the trees will lead you to it".

However, the above extract from the transcripts also talks about a portal being opened when these sheets of rain occur and this idea is probably the key to locating the Grail. The chalice may be more a plasma phenomenon manifestation caused by the electrical conditions occurring during this time (perhaps not too far in our future now) interacting with whatever the Grail actually is - since the C's do refer to an object. I hope to have more to say about portals in upcoming articles.

However, another Forum member Bhelmet went on to add an important comment about plasma and the figure pointing at the inscription on the tomb. He said:

Here is a more serious thought: the perfect symmetry and mirror image almost as though the kneeling shepherd is reaching into a parallel universe. Every detail is clear except the hand that is reaching is pink and smudgy and incomplete as it merges with the other hand. I find that odd and very different than the realism in the rest of the painting.

As for the plasma chalice, do you think it is more about the plasma or the chalice?


I think this is a highly significant spot for it speaks of the transiting of realities mentioned above by the C's during the sheets of rain. To answer Bhelmet's question, I think it is both about the plasma and the chalice.

As to what the Shepherd is pointing to, we should keep in mind this comment too:

Q: What was the niche in the Queen's Chamber that resembles the crack in the stone in the Arcadian Shepherd's painting, as well as the window in the St. Anthony painting. What was this for?

A: Mind accelerator.


And finally on sheets of rain, we should bear the following comments in mind for our own current time, which were made in February 2011:​

Q: (Andromeda) What's up with the cracked airplane windows that have been showing up in the news?

A: Electrical charges have many effects. By the way, that is the reason for some of the animal deaths: electrical discharges.

Q: (Belibaste) Because there's more dust between the ionosphere and the surface of the earth. (Galaxia) Is that also why I've been getting shocked by electrical equipment recently? (L) Could be.

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Is that electrical discharges from the sun, or...

A: Sheets of rain, or dust plus electricity. Snow too.


On a personal note, as somebody born and bred in England, that session had a stark warning for my country and my countrymen, particularly with what is going on right now with the war in the Ukraine:
A: The wave cometh. Crop circles are a sort of grace offered to those slated for ultimate destruction. Why do you think so many have appeared in England? Those that receive such gifts and do not take their messages into their hearts will damn themselves and their own descendants to oblivion.

Q: (L) Somebody's been offering them grace over the years, and they've rejected it again and again. They get these crazy people to go out there and fake them, make fun of them... I mean, the universe is talking to these people and the farmers go out and mow them down!

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you imagine? The universe, the cosmos – fer gawd’s sake - speaks to you and all you're worried about is that your crop got messed up! It is so incredible to even conceive of it. (Ailen) But why mostly in England and not in other countries? (L) Well, they've appeared in other places, but the thing is that it's been mostly assigned to England. England is like the financial centre of the world, where all the people came from who have dominated the planet. The whole "Western Civilization" thing... And what did they say? It's a warning to them and their descendants. And where are their descendants? All over the planet!

A: Yes. Exactly!

Well, I hope in some small way my poor efforts here on this thread may help to redress in part this failure of my countrymen to take these messages to heart and I would also include when saying this the numerous postings made on this Forum by fellow English members over the years.
 
16 July 2016

This one looks a bit like a chalice I think.

I just remember it, but it is related to the electric universe theory. The thing is that when a z-clamp occurs a tremendous twisting force appears. There is work in plasma physics that seeks to use this phenomenon to achieve nuclear fusion as an energy source. Now the interesting thing here is something said by one of the representatives of the electric universe, Wallace Thornhill (I can't find documentation on this right now but I know he said it) that is that in the z pinch the force is 36 or 37 times greater than gravity.

Thornhill has his own theory of electrogravity, however in reading the July 16, 2016 session, Pierre's question I remembered this.

What I am getting at is that the z pinch by its condition of creating a vortex, by compressing itself would interact with gravity. In that sense, the pinch could be creating unstable gravitational waves.

The device used in the construction of the coral castle had two fundamental things: It used a lot of electricity and it spun.

 
I understand what you mean. Unless I write things down immediately when I come across them, I am liable to forget the point pretty quickly. One of the penalties for growing older I am afraid.

I agree with your thinking. Poussin was certainly hiding things in his paintings, which only the cognoscenti (people who are especially well informed about a particular subject) would pick up on. That is why I am interested in the people who he was painting some of his works for. Cardinal Richelieu, for example, was one of the key statesman of Europe at that time and was no doubt a very well informed man. It is also evident that King Louis XIV recognised what was hidden in the painting of The Shepherds of Arcadia so much so that it led him to arrest the second most powerful man in France, Nicolas Fouquet, his Superintendent of Finances. It was Nicolas' brother Louis who had met with Poussin in Rome and written the letter to Nicolas in which he made the statement about a secret 'which even kings would have great pains to draw from him'. Fouquet would eventually be imprisoned perpetually and was kept in complete isolation and incommunicado. You have to think this must have been one hell of a secret to take such drastic action against one of your right-hand men. Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander to write The Man in the Iron Mask.

It is worth noting that Poussin spent most of his adult life in Italy. He only returned once to France to meet with Cardinal Richelieu, perhaps to discuss those painting commissions referred to in Kroeker's article. However, it may not just be the hidden clues in The Shepherds of Arcadia we need to consider but the theme of the painting itself and the inscription on the tomb 'Et in Arcadia Ego', which may have been a major calling card for those in the know. Here we need to keep in mind the importance of the question the C's posed when they asked Laura, "where was Arcadia?"

The three authors of the The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail went into the Arcadia motif in some detail, noting that it was Rene D'Anjou, a nobleman who did much to kickstart the Rennaisance via his contacts with the Medicis (particularly Cosimo) of Florence, who in the 15th Century first promoted the theme of Arcadia and the Grail. As the three authors noted, Rene (who once employed Christopher Columbus and whose daughter Marguerite was married to Henry VI of England) retained at his court a Jewish astrologer, cabalist and physician known as Jean de Saint-Remy, who many consider to have been the grandfather of Michel Nostradamus. Apparently, Rene had a particular preoccupation with the Grail. The authors note that it was during Rene's career that the motif of Arcadia appears to have made its debut in Western Christian culture. Rene would in 1449 stage a series of pas d'armes (a hybrid mixture of tournament and masque) at his court one of which was called 'The Pas d'Armes of the Shepherdess', the shepherdess being an explicitly Arcadian figure, embodying both romantic and philosophical attributes. The event was singular fusion of the pastoral Arcadian romance with the pageantry of the Round Table and the mysteries of the Holy Grail. Arcadia figured elsewhere in Rene's work, frequently being denoted by a fountain or tomb, both of which are associated with an underground stream (which we have noted before is connected with the river Alpheus - Poussin including the river god Alpheus in his first version of Et In Arcadia Ego).

The authors then note that during the 16th Century, Arcadia and 'the underground stream' became a prominent cultural feature and in England it would inspire Sir Philip Sidney's (an associate of Sir Francis Bacon) greatest work, Arcadia. However, by the 17th Century the motif of Arcadia would culminate in Nicolas Poussin and The Shepherds of Arcadia. However, the phrase 'Et In Arcadia Ego' had made its public debut first in a painting by Giovanni Francesco Guercino at some time between 1618-1623. In Guercino's painting, two shepherds enter a clearing in a forest and happen upon a stone sepulchre bearing the famous inscription, which has a large skull resting on top of it (thus similar to Poussin's first version of Et In Arcadia Ego, which can be found in my postscript to Kroeker's article posted above).
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Et in Arcadia ego (also known as The Arcadian Shepherds) by the Italian Baroque artist Giovanni Francesco Barbieri (Guercino)​

Coming back to your point about paintings being a way or method of communication between members of an elite group, we need to note here that Guercino was not only well versed in esoteric tradition, he also seems to have been conversant with the lore of secret societies and some of his other paintings deal with themes of a specifically Masonic nature or character - which was a good twenty years or more before masonic lodges began proliferating in England and Scotland. Indeed, one of his paintings, 'The Raising of the Master' which pertains specifically to the Masonic legend of Hiram Abiff, the legendary architect and builder of Solomon's temple. Guercino's painting was executed nearly a century before the Hiram legend is generally believed to have found its way into Masonry.

And, as we have learned, there is good reason to connect Poussin to Freemasonry and/or the Rosicrucians. However, the three authors of the Holy Grail go on to add that:

"Whatever the origin of the phrase 'Et in Arcadia Ego' [it] seems, for both Guercino and Poussin, to have [been] more than a line of elegiac poetry. Quite clearly it seems to have enjoyed some important secret significance, which was recognisable or identifiable to certain other people - the equivalent in short, of a Masonic sign or password."

Which I think was exactly the point you were making. The three authors of the The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail then quote from the infamous Prieure documents, which if even if they were a work of fiction, makes a good point about the character or symbolism of allegorical art:

"Allegorical works have this advantage, that a single word suffices to illumine connections which the multitude cannot grasp. Such works are available to everyone, but their significance addresses itself to an elite. Above and beyond the masses, sender and receiver understand each other. The inexplicable success of certain works derives from this quality of allegory, which constitutes not a mere fashion, but a form of esoteric communication."

Although the above statement was made with reference to Poussin specifically, as the medieval and occultic scholar Frances Yates has demonstrated, it might equally well be applied to the works of Leonardo da Vinci, Botticelli and other Renaissance artists. The three authors point out that it might also be applied to later figures such as Victor Hugo, Debussy, Jean Cocteau and their respective circles. I would add Jules Verne and Salvador Dali too and one might also extend this allegorical communication methodology to modern movies as well. Indeed, we have already explored Cocteau and his works (he was both an artist and a film director) on this thread and the suspicions that he may have been a Rosicrucian. In the Prieure documents, he was listed as the current Grand Master of the Priory of Sion. I hope to have more to say on Cocteau in an upcoming article.

We might also consider whether this elite group encompasses members of the special bloodline the C's have referred to, who in earlier times supposedly communicated between themselves using kites. Could it be that they may have moved on in the late Middle Ages to more sophisticated methods such as artistic works? This focus on the Grail and Arcadia in such artistic works obviously links us to the Arthurian legends to which they seem to have been appended. The special bloodline the C's speak of seems to be connected to the Nordic Covenant and the C's had this to say about the link between King Arthur and the Covenant:
Session 15 August 1998:

Q: (L) Okay, now: I would like to know if there was a real historic person behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Close. Sorcerer’s coven. Secret pact of coven is covenant.

Q: (L) Was this the Nordic Covenant behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Not really.

Q: (L) I think that implies that there might be a connection?

A: Maybe there is something more like an offshoot.

Q: (L) The Nordic Covenant is an offshoot of the Arthurian Covenant or vice versa?

A: King Arthur story based on an offshoot of the Nordic Covenant root.

Q: (L) Okay, now you say that the Nordic Covenant can be positive or negative. Would the Arthurian Cycle be of the Positive Offshoot?

A: Both.

Q: (L) What period of time did this Sorcerer’s Coven …

A: During the ‘Dark Ages’.

Q: (L) Can you get me closer to a year or period of years?

A: We will let you do that.

[…]

Q: (L) […] How many people were in this covenant?

A: Look for answers, trees will lead you to it?

Q: (L) What literary source can I go to find the least distorted or corrupted information?

A: Trees.


So we learn that the King Arthur story was an offshoot (which can represents a cutting from a plant) of the Nordic Covenant. The literary source the C's meant seems to have been discussed in this subsequent session:

Session 29 August 1998:
Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?

A: Soul.

Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?

A: You cannot see?

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.

Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?

A: Certainly.


This reference to trees leading Laura to the answers concerning the Nordic Covenant and its Arthurian offshoot intrigues me. There is also the issue of the Holy Grail, which features in the Arthurian tales and may well be intimately connected to the Nordic Covenant. In Christian iconography it usually depicted as a chalice. In a 1999 session the C's expounded further on the Nordic Covenant but also curiously made a reference to Laura finding a 'chalice', which could be a purely metaphorical statement but might also relate to the Grail:​

Session 2 January 1999:

Q: Well, let me get to some of these other questions. Previously you said that the central thing about the Nordic Covenant was that there were bloodlines that extend off the planet. From what I understand, all humans on the planet have bloodlines that extend off the planet. In what sense did you mean this about the Nordic Covenant; that the bloodlines extend off the planet?

A: Not all so recent, not all so “pure.”

Q: In the sense of recent, how recent do you mean?

A: Speculate, using your transcripts.


[... ]

Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man … and you said ‘if viewed through sheets of rain.’ So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun … the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about ‘sheets of rain?’

A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

A: Wait and see!


The issue of what they meant by 'sheets of rain' has been discussed in recent times on the Forum (I am happy for somebody to add the link) but also on this thread - see here: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians. Quoting from the earlier post:

Q: Yeah, when I saw that picture on his webpage, I knew he'd been projecting that. He was sitting there focusing on it so I would see it. I told you, I showed it to you, didn't I? That was what I saw, that twisted up figure 8 thing. [Laughter.] I couldn't figure it out, what in the world it was. Is there an object buried in France I'm supposed to find?
A: Yes.
Q: Are we going to find it?
A: Yes.
Q: Can you tell us what year we'll be finding it
A: Two (tape ended and was blank for some time then picked back up with a segment of what sounded like a heartbeat
Q: What is the object?
A: Holy grail.

Q: What is the holy grail? {Tape noise gets very, very loud here. Planchette was spinning around and drawing figures.}
Q: Huh. I don't know if they were drawing something or just playing. Guess they're not going to answer that one. Well, anything you want to ask? (A) Yes. It's pretty fun to be talking, so we're talking ... it's fun.


16 July 2016


This one looks a bit like a chalice I think.

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From The Squatting Man, page 1

Which makes me wonder why the Grail has been linked with the imagery of a chalice for so long. Here is the unusual perspective of Poussin's painting The Shepherds of Arcadia, which I originally took from a posting by 'Akopirnas' in 2013
(see Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians)

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"Yes, Muxel, here is the picture (clickable images) from that time probably after correct splitting - excuse me my answer after 1,5 year..:
Now we have:

1) Low place between stones

2) Two faces of Janus, which associates with trading (once again - german Handl?), rocks, caverns, covered passages, doors and underpassages...

3) Big shadow of some invisible cup...

4) Pyramid in dark circle

6) Something shining under pyramid in the form of a crystal

7) Place where two rivers merged or now merge (receded and dry/dried stream channels?)

8) A compass or letter A on a pyramid

9) Over compass - swagger stick with vegetative or water motive. Or little skull over a horizontal line dividing a pyramid...


So, Akopirnas manages to link in this one post: a pyramid, an invisible cup (chalice), a form of crystal, a compass (a major symbol of Freemasonry), the two faces of the Roman god Janus (the Baphomet skull may have multiple faces) and a little skull.

However, a chalice and a skull is also visible in the other double perspective of Poussin's painting that was posted on this thread back in May 2021 See: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

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For those who can't make it out, the chalice is at the bottom of the painting between the feet of the two bearded figures. The skull can be made out in the wall with the heads of each bearded figure creating the eye sockets. I would also suggest that the green foliage at the top of the painting set in the cloud also creates the shape of a chalice.

Thus, we again have the combination of a chalice and a skull. Is this just coincidence or did Poussin (the "Guardian of Secrets") intend this? Given Poussin's Rosicrucian background, I highly doubt it is coincidence. This artist paid very close attention to detail and perspective and evidently intended to pass on secret, esoteric information in his work, just as Shakespeare did in his plays. Moreover, we should recall that Abbe Sauniere, the parish priest of Rennes-le-Chateau, bought a copy of this painting, presumably to study it for clues. This supports my theory, as advanced by researchers like Otto Rahn, Andrew Gough and William Henry, that the true mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau is about the Holy Grail.


Now I am not certain to this day whether the mirror image of Poussin's painting shown above is the mirror image perspective the C's had proposed to Laura. For one thing we lose the shepherdess altogether (which may be significant - who knows?). However, I still find it strange that above the mountain, the mirror image produces a chalice in the form of tree foliage with something emerging from the top of it (perhaps representing a host like the one the dove swooped down to give in the Percival account of the Grail castle?). And then there is the second chalice found at the base of the tomb. Is it significant that the first chalice appears above the mountain, the same mountain that Kroeker's article focused on? Either side of it there are trees and the C's said "the trees will lead you to it".

However, the above extract from the transcripts also talks about a portal being opened when these sheets of rain occur and this idea is probably the key to locating the Grail. The chalice may be more a plasma phenomenon manifestation caused by the electrical conditions occurring during this time (perhaps not too far in our future now) interacting with whatever the Grail actually is - since the C's do refer to an object. I hope to have more to say about portals in upcoming articles.

However, another Forum member Bhelmet went on to add an important comment about plasma and the figure pointing at the inscription on the tomb. He said:

Here is a more serious thought: the perfect symmetry and mirror image almost as though the kneeling shepherd is reaching into a parallel universe. Every detail is clear except the hand that is reaching is pink and smudgy and incomplete as it merges with the other hand. I find that odd and very different than the realism in the rest of the painting.

As for the plasma chalice, do you think it is more about the plasma or the chalice?


I think this is a highly significant spot for it speaks of the transiting of realities mentioned above by the C's during the sheets of rain. To answer Bhelmet's question, I think it is both about the plasma and the chalice.

As to what the Shepherd is pointing to, we should keep in mind this comment too:

Q: What was the niche in the Queen's Chamber that resembles the crack in the stone in the Arcadian Shepherd's painting, as well as the window in the St. Anthony painting. What was this for?

A: Mind accelerator.


And finally on sheets of rain, we should bear the following comments in mind for our own current time, which were made in February 2011:​

Q: (Andromeda) What's up with the cracked airplane windows that have been showing up in the news?

A: Electrical charges have many effects. By the way, that is the reason for some of the animal deaths: electrical discharges.

Q: (Belibaste) Because there's more dust between the ionosphere and the surface of the earth. (Galaxia) Is that also why I've been getting shocked by electrical equipment recently? (L) Could be.

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Is that electrical discharges from the sun, or...

A: Sheets of rain, or dust plus electricity. Snow too.


On a personal note, as somebody born and bred in England, that session had a stark warning for my country and my countrymen, particularly with what is going on right now with the war in the Ukraine:
A: The wave cometh. Crop circles are a sort of grace offered to those slated for ultimate destruction. Why do you think so many have appeared in England? Those that receive such gifts and do not take their messages into their hearts will damn themselves and their own descendants to oblivion.

Q: (L) Somebody's been offering them grace over the years, and they've rejected it again and again. They get these crazy people to go out there and fake them, make fun of them... I mean, the universe is talking to these people and the farmers go out and mow them down!

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you imagine? The universe, the cosmos – fer gawd’s sake - speaks to you and all you're worried about is that your crop got messed up! It is so incredible to even conceive of it. (Ailen) But why mostly in England and not in other countries? (L) Well, they've appeared in other places, but the thing is that it's been mostly assigned to England. England is like the financial centre of the world, where all the people came from who have dominated the planet. The whole "Western Civilization" thing... And what did they say? It's a warning to them and their descendants. And where are their descendants? All over the planet!

A: Yes. Exactly!


Well, I hope in some small way my poor efforts here on this thread may help to redress in part this failure of my countrymen to take these messages to heart and I would also include when saying this the numerous postings made on this Forum by fellow English members over the years.
I don't know how to explain it, but I can only say that whoever has the Grail has the destiny of the universe and all the timelines and that task can only be done by the best knight in the world!
 
I just remember it, but it is related to the electric universe theory. The thing is that when a z-clamp occurs a tremendous twisting force appears. There is work in plasma physics that seeks to use this phenomenon to achieve nuclear fusion as an energy source. Now the interesting thing here is something said by one of the representatives of the electric universe, Wallace Thornhill (I can't find documentation on this right now but I know he said it) that is that in the z pinch the force is 36 or 37 times greater than gravity.

Thornhill has his own theory of electrogravity, however in reading the July 16, 2016 session, Pierre's question I remembered this.

What I am getting at is that the z pinch by its condition of creating a vortex, by compressing itself would interact with gravity. In that sense, the pinch could be creating unstable gravitational waves.

The device used in the construction of the coral castle had two fundamental things: It used a lot of electricity and it spun.

I like your thinking. When the Nazis experimented on Die Glocke (the Bell), they apparently used very high voltage DC current, which they pulsed through two counter-rotating drums containing a special isotope of mercury or something perhaps even more exotic. With the Philadelphia Experiment, the US Navy used very powerful electric generators which operated two or perhaps three Tesla coils (N.B. not the standard ones but special ones). In both cases this would lead to the scientists achieving transdimensionality, which can be linked, I think, to the following points made by the C's, where they continued with the 'sheets of rain theme' referred to in my last post:

Session 28 May 2013:​

(L) So that was the last reference to the term that is exercising my mind right now: “sheets of rain”, and what brought it to my mind was of course the current state of the planet which is quite dire as far as I can see. There are enormous amounts of rain falling in many, many places. It's been raining here almost continuously since December at least, and we had rain before that. (Perceval) It's still snowing in a lot of places. (L) It's snowing in places, and you just mentioned that in this last excerpt... You said, "Sheets of rain, or dust plus electricity. Snow too." And Belibaste asked, "Because there's more dust between the ionosphere and the surface of the earth." Is that what we're looking at in the term “sheets of rain”? Something that conducts electricity... Is this related to these extreme amounts of rainfall and snowfall? Is it all electrical phenomena, like even the jet stream and all that sort of thing?

A: Indeed, and the rain can conduct.

Q: (L) Okay, so going back to my triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain, since I now have a different understanding of what these "gods" and "goddesses" represented, that they probably were cometary bodies... What you're saying, or what I'm assuming you're saying, is the triple goddess viewed through sheets of rain is essentially a comet or comets? Is it electrical discharges? (Belibaste) The cause of the sheets of rain might be the triple goddess, i.e. triple comet. (L) Oh... Is Belibaste right on that? That the cause of the sheets of rain could be a triple cometary body?

A: Close. Also consider plasma shapes including those that may appear "chalice like".
[MJF: Some of these can be trident shaped too like the three-pronged spears that Neptune /Poseidon or Britannia are usually depicted carrying – hence this can perhaps be connected to the ‘Holder of the Trent’, which may be an indirect reference to the Grail.]

Q: (Belibaste) This cometary body is highly charged, and because of potential difference, there's a discharge with the surface of earth, in the atmosphere, leading to sheets and rain and thunders and plasma sheath which can have a chalice shape. (L) What has recently been working in my mind is the observation that when the earth is in a comet dust stream, it apparently affects the weather profoundly. That means a lot of cloud cover and rain. This seems to have been true about past events in history. I noticed that I didn’t get a single viewing day for one of the recent comets. So I began to wonder just what the deal was. How could the ancients have seen the alleged comet gods if the sky was under cloud cover most of the time! So this might explain it. There were close passages and plasma discharges viewed through cloud cover or “sheets of rain” and we know that some of the plasma formations can be quite anthropomorphic looking among other shapes. (Perceval) It seems it's a compounding effect where cometary bodies have electric effects on the planet that disrupt the planet in different ways that may cause increased precipitation, which then allows for further cometary activity? (Ark) Well, but I would like to ask about what is the nature of the dust? Earth origin or cometary origin?

[.....]

(Ark) Let me take opportunity to ask about ball lightning. Are they purely electric phenomena, or are they also related to consciousness or...?

A: Transdimensional portals made manifest.

Q: (Ark) Does it mean that the current theory of electromagnetism is really bad because it has nothing to do with transdimensionality?

A: Yes.


Now I believe the voltage in ball lightning (which I think is plasma) is extremely high. Indeed, it would be enough to kill you if you were to come into direct contact with such a ball. If I recall correctly, the three gypsy commentators who annotated a copy of Morris Jessup's The Case for the UFO claimed that occasionally extra-terrestrials (or intra-terrestrials?), who are evidently beings with consciousness, would make a density or dimensional shift that ended badly for them and caused them to appear in the form of red ball lightning. They cited, or commented on, one occasion where such an occurrence had led to a windmill or church porch (I can't remember the exact details) catching fire and burning down and I think another where a human being was killed after coming into contact with such a ball (I am happy for people to check this point out if they have a copy of the book to hand). Presumably they had created a portal but failed to exit it properly and were trapped. As to the consciousness aspect, I recall the C's had this to say about time travel, which involves creating a dimensional portal:
Session 19 November 1994:

A: Okay. Get ready. First we must explain further time "travel" because the two concepts are closely related. The first step is to artificially induce an electromagnetic field. This opens the door [MJF: a portal] between dimensions of reality. Next, thoughts must be channelled by participant in order to access reality bonding channel. They must then focus the energy to the proper dimensional bridge. The electrons must be arranged in correct frequency wave. Then the triage must be sent through realm "curtain" in order to balance perceptions at all density levels.

Q: (L) Information in the event that has to be balanced or taken into consideration as to importance so that the program runs correctly. Is this the correct interpretation of triage as you have used it?

A: Sort of. Triage is as follows: 1. Matter, 2. Energy, 3. Perception of reality. That is it folks.

And as to the possibility of time travel in some form having been achieved, whether in the past or the future, by mankind, I would cite the following extract from the transcripts:

Q: (L) Was mankind living on the earth as a sentient being during the time of the large dinosaurs? [MJF: consider here the Ica Stones found in the Ica Province of Peru that bear a variety of diagrams, with some of them having depictions of dinosaurs on their surfaces. These are supposedly recognised today as modern curiosities or hoaxes - but are they? See Ica stones - Wikipedia]

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: Transitory time warp.

BTW: Where in my last post I wrote "Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander to write The Man in the Iron Mask", I should have course have said "Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander Dumas to write The Man in the Iron Mask".
 
Nicolas Fouquet, his Superintendent of Finances. It was Nicolas' brother Louis who had met with Poussin in Rome and written the letter to Nicolas in which he made the statement about a secret 'which even kings would have great pains to draw from him'. Fouquet would eventually be imprisoned perpetually and was kept in complete isolation and incommunicado. You have to think this must have been one hell of a secret to take such drastic action against one of your right-hand men. Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander to write The Man in the Iron Mask.
TW: Where in my last post I wrote "Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander to write The Man in the Iron Mask", I should have course have said "Incidentally, Fouquet's imprisonment may have inspired Alexander Dumas to write The Man in the Iron Mask".
There is a slight mixture of two different people here. Superintendent Fouquet (and his brother a monk, a minor character) is one of the heroes of Dumas (father's) work, Vicomte de Bragelonne (sequel to The Musketeers).
In the book (there are three volumes, a lot of pages), Fouquet is shown on the positive side, full of nobility, he patronizes writers / poets / musicians / artists. Yes, he robs the king and is richer than Cardinal Mazarin himself, but this does not bother Dumas. There is a scene where Fouquet and all his associates gather in the garden (the estate belongs to Fouquet) and one of the writers/artists (possibly Lafontaine) compares this meeting with the Epicurean meetings of the ancient Greeks who organized educational schools in the gardens.
A little later, the plot of the book develops, we see that Fouquet's supporters are Aramis (bishop of Vannes, as well as a secret member of the Jesuit order) and Porthos (the "imaginary" architect of the fortress on the island of Belle-Ile).
As the story progresses, we learn that Aramis is pulling secret strings and is actually holding the commandant of the Bastille in his pocket (it contains the "Iron Mask"). Aramis is privy to the secret of the prisoner. Further, Aramis replaces the "Iron Mask" in the Bastille with Louis 13. Fouquet returns the king of France back to freedom. But he, already at large, gives the order to arrest Superintendent Fouquet himself (and execute him)
In the end, as we know, Porthos, D'Artagnan and Athos perish. Aramis, having fled to Spain, returns years later to France and transfers the power of the Jesuit order to other hands. A curtain...
 
There is a slight mixture of two different people here. Superintendent Fouquet (and his brother a monk, a minor character) is one of the heroes of Dumas (father's) work, Vicomte de Bragelonne (sequel to The Musketeers).
In the book (there are three volumes, a lot of pages), Fouquet is shown on the positive side, full of nobility, he patronizes writers / poets / musicians / artists. Yes, he robs the king and is richer than Cardinal Mazarin himself, but this does not bother Dumas. There is a scene where Fouquet and all his associates gather in the garden (the estate belongs to Fouquet) and one of the writers/artists (possibly Lafontaine) compares this meeting with the Epicurean meetings of the ancient Greeks who organized educational schools in the gardens.
A little later, the plot of the book develops, we see that Fouquet's supporters are Aramis (bishop of Vannes, as well as a secret member of the Jesuit order) and Porthos (the "imaginary" architect of the fortress on the island of Belle-Ile).
As the story progresses, we learn that Aramis is pulling secret strings and is actually holding the commandant of the Bastille in his pocket (it contains the "Iron Mask"). Aramis is privy to the secret of the prisoner. Further, Aramis replaces the "Iron Mask" in the Bastille with Louis 13. Fouquet returns the king of France back to freedom. But he, already at large, gives the order to arrest Superintendent Fouquet himself (and execute him)
In the end, as we know, Porthos, D'Artagnan and Athos perish. Aramis, having fled to Spain, returns years later to France and transfers the power of the Jesuit order to other hands. A curtain...
Yes, it is curious how Dumas wove the story around some real characters and a real mystery but put a different, but entertaining spin on things. It is worth noting here how many writers have been Roscicrucians, including famous French authors such as Victor Hugo and Jules Verne. I don't know about Dumas though. If anyone knows more about his background, please free to comment.
 
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Speaking of Jules Verne, a couple of years ago I started a thread on the Forum about science fiction writers, which delved into their backgrounds. One day I may resume it, especially as many science fiction writers have very interesting back cloths indeed. This includes writers like C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien who both wrote science fiction books, although they are best remembered for their fantasy works. Another science fiction writer is Ron L Hubbard (the founder of the Scientology movement). Like Ian Fleming, he had been a naval officer during World War II and is considered to have also worked for US Naval Intelligence. However, it his associations with Jack Parsons, the rocket scientist and founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, that is of greatest interest to us here. Parsons led something of a double life as an avid occultist, being a follower of the English ceremonial magician Aleister Crowley (the 'Great Beast' - who has also been suspected of working for British Intelligence) and leader of a lodge of Crowley's magical order, the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). It probably was the case that Hubbard was merely playing along with Parsons. One theory has it that Hubbard was still working for US intelligence circles since Parsons was a very important player in the nascent US rocket programme and they therefore wanted to keep an eye on his strange extra-curricular activities. These activities were very occultic flavoured indeed, given what Wikipedia quotes about them here:

"Hubbard, whom Parsons referred to in writing as "Frater H", became an enthusiastic collaborator in the Pasadena OTO. The two men collaborated on the "Babalon Working", a sex magic ritual intended to summon an incarnation of Babalon, the supreme Thelemite Goddess. It was undertaken over several nights in February and March 1946 in order to summon an "elemental" who would participate in further sex magic."

Given Hubbard's intelligence links, he may have learned of the Greenbauming/brainwashing programmes being operated by US intelligence agencies like the CIA, and could have taken some of these ideas and techniques over into the Scientology movement, which he subsequently founded and based on his principles of 'Dianetics'. Quoting again from Wikipedia:

"The basic principle of Dianetics was that the brain recorded every experience and event in a person's life, even when unconscious. Bad or painful experiences were stored as what he called "engrams" in a "reactive mind". These could be triggered later in life, causing emotional and physical problems. By carrying out a process he called "auditing", a person could be regressed through his engrams to re-experiencing past experiences. This enabled engrams to be "cleared". The subject, who would now be in a state of "Clear", would have a perfectly functioning mind with an improved IQ and photographic memory. The "Clear" would be cured of physical ailments ranging from poor eyesight to the common cold,0 which Hubbard asserted were purely psychosomatic."

Let us not forget here that Laura was kidnapped as a young child in the 1950's by a man who was a US naval officer who, like Hubbard, may have had links to US Naval Intelligence. She was also subjected to a brainwashing programme and the C's have hinted that British Military Intelligence (MI6) may have been involved in this event too.

Returning to Jules Verne, he was, of course, one of the founders of modern science fiction in the 19th Century but he is also suspected of being an active Rosicrucian. Steve Sora in his book Rosicrucian America certainly makes out the case that he was.

He starts by making the observation that in 1719 Daniel Defoe wrote a book called Robinson Crusoe about a European who finds himself the lone survivor of a shipwreck who is then stranded for 28 years on a tropical desert island off the coasts of Venezuela and Trinidad. The story is thought to be based on the life of Alexander Selkirk, a Scottish castaway who lived for four years on a Pacific island called "Más a Tierra" (now part of Chile). Defoe's character explains on the first page of the book that his surname "Crusoe" was corrupted from the German name "Kreutznaer". However, as Sora notes, the name Robinson Kreutznaer could be thought to be similar to Christian Rosenkreuz, the legendary founder of the Rosicrucians, since the name Crusoe resembles the word "cross" ("crucis" being the Latin genitive case of the noun "crux", meaning "cross").

Jules Verne, was known to have said: "We have all written 'Robinsons' but it is a moot question if any of them would have seen the light had it not been for their famous prototype." These words of Verne show how many writers have disguised their characters or that the full identity of their characters may only be known to the initiated. It is known that Verne had been initiated into Freemasonry and was familiar with Rosicrucian doctrines, although his name does not appear to be associated with that of any Freemasonic lodge. But as Sora points out, Verne was known to have belonged to a group called 'the Fog'. Verne apparently confirmed that this group was connected to the Rosicrucians (N.B. this group was also contemporary with the English society called the 'Orphic Circle' to which authors like Lord Edward Bulwer-Lytton and Lewis Carroll who wrote Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass reputedly belonged - see Orphic CIrcle Mystery School). It is interesting to note then that Verne should name one of his most well-known characters 'Phileas Fogg', who appeared in the novel Around the World in Eighty Days (which is still one of my favourite books and films incidentally). As Sora notes though, Mr. Fogg was a member of the Reform Club in London (which really does exist in Pall Mall). Sora therefore asks whether it is sheer coincidence that the initials of the Reform Club (RC) are the same as those of the Rose Cross of the Rosicrucians.

Sora then goes on to point out that the journeys of Jules Verne's characters are similarly heroic to those of Perceval and Lancelot of Arthurian lore (MJF: he could have gone further and linked this theme to Joseph Campbell's 'the hero's journey'). Verne's characters travel in the air, under the sea and, of course, to the centre of the Earth (for Sora, Verne's Journey to the Centre of the Earth has a central theme of death-rebirth, which, of course, is a theme beloved of the Rosicrucians). Sora then argues that the names of Verne's characters often have secret meanings . He cites as an example how in Clovis Dardenator (published in 1896 - long before the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau came to public attention), Verne's sea captain has the name Bugarach - the same as one of the mountains in the Rennes-le-Chateau area. It so happens that D'Ardent was also the title of Clovis, the most important Merovingian king. So this link oddly brings us back to the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau and Poussin's mystery mountain once again.

This link has not gone unnoticed to those who are fascinated by the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery. I set out below an extract from a translated French Wikipedia entry for Clovis Dardentor to confirm the point:

Clovis Dardentor and Rennes-le-Château
On Saturday, May 23, 1981, Michel Lamy gave a paper to the Assembly of the Jules Verne Society on Clovis Dardentor:

"When I first read Jules Verne's novel entitled "Clovis Dardentor", I experienced a shock, a curious impression, a semi-malaise. In any case, the very clear impression that something was wrong. This story was of little interest; Compared to the master's other novels, it seemed empty. And then there was this name of a character that surprised me tremendously: Captain Bugarach. Why on earth had Jules Verne gone looking for such a name, very original my faith, and which could not fail to make me think of the peak of Bugarach near Rennes-le-Château?"
In 1982, Franck Marie raises the same problem.

Michel Lamy sets out his ideas more explicitly in his book Jules Verne, initiate and initiator.

The critic, having turned the last page, asks himself the question: what if it was not a coincidence? He thinks of the curious chance that places precisely the peak of Bugarach, the main eminence of the region, between the hamlet of the Captains and a mound having the exact shape of a ship at La Vialasse. Clovis evokes the most famous of the Merovingian kings whose hypothetical descendants would bear precisely the title of ardent offspring. Thus, this novel could have as its real subject the gold of the ardent offspring of the Merovingians.

Then, he became interested in the surnames of the characters. Patrice: the name evokes that of a shepherd, a pastry d'is, named Paris and who discovered a treasure in Rennes. Dr. Bruno, name decomposing into Brun (fountain in German) and O, and which brings him to a very important place near Rennes-Les-Bains: the fountain of the circle. Lornans, which refers to the area of Ornan mentioned in the Bible (it is here that Solomon's temple in Jerusalem was built). Louise Elissane, whose anagram is Salines, a place located at the foot of the Bugarach, which plays a key role in the case.

Then, it is in the name of places that he attacks: Mallorca, where an altarpiece and two pulpits are due to Jaime Blanquer and Juan de Salas, which refers to Bugarach on the flanks of which two rivers are born: the Blanque and the Sals; Oran, where Mrs. Elissane lives rue du Vieux-Château, in the Blanca district; and "throughout the journey, it is the same thing, wrong population figures, reversed directions, wrong altitudes, etc., that always brings us back to particular points in the Bugarach region."

In his book, Lamy does not hesitate to make the author a member of a secret society. Since Marcel Moré (The Very Curious Jules Verne), Verne's membership of Freemasonry has long been gloated, but, to date, no document allows us to affirm this state of affairs, despite the fact that the author of the Extraordinary Voyages has, one evening, destroyed most of his personal papers.

On the other hand, Verne has accustomed us to the names of fanciful heroes (Claudius Bombarnac, Hector Servadac [read 'Corpses upside down'], César Cascabel, to name only titles, even an Aristobulus Ursiclos in The Green Ray). The fabulous author was certainly sometimes fanciful and adept at winks [and nudges], and no doubt he would have liked us to try to read between the lines.


Finally, Sora also refers to another of Verne's characters called Robur the Conqueror (RC), also known as The Clipper of the Clouds, who lived in a world of UFO's or unidentified flying machines. See: Robur the Conqueror - Wikipedia. Quoting from the Wikipedia entry for the book:

The story begins with strange lights and sounds, including blaring trumpet music, reported in the skies all over the world. The events are capped by the mysterious appearance of black flags with gold suns atop tall historic landmarks such as the Statue of Liberty in New York, the Geat Pyramid of Giza Egypt, and the Eifeel Tower in Paris. These events are all the work of the mysterious Robur (the specific epithet for the English oak (Quercus robur) [
MJF: which was sacred to the Druids] and figuratively taken to mean "strength"), a brilliant inventor who intrudes on a meeting of a flight-enthusiasts' club called the Weldon Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania [MJF: a city and state which Sora demonstrates in his book has had long term associations with the Rosicrucians. Let us not also forget that the city lends its name to the famous 'Philadelphia Experiment', which inadvertently led the Americans to the discovery of time travel].

We should note here that this book was first published in 1884. This date therefore coincides with the Mystery airships or phantom airships, which were a class of unidentified flying objects best known from a series of newspaper reports originating in the western United States and spreading east during late 1896 and early 1897. Perhaps the most famous of these was the airship crash reported in Aurora, Texas in 1887, where UFO researchers believe to this day that the alien body of the pilot had been buried in the town cemetery. Quoting from Wikipedia again:


According to researcher Jerome Clark, airship sightings were reported worldwide during the 1880s and 1890s. Mystery airship reports are seen as a cultural predecessor to modern claims of extraterrestrial-piloted flying saucer-style UFOs. Typical airship reports involved night time sightings of unidentified lights, but more detailed accounts reported ships comparable to a dirigible. Reports of the alleged crewmen and pilots usually described them as human-looking, although sometimes the crew claimed to be from Mars. It was popularly believed that the mystery airships were the product of some inventor or genius who was not ready to make knowledge of his creation public.

It has been frequently argued that mystery airships are unlikely to represent test flights of real human-manufactured dirigibles as no record of successful sustained or long-range airship flights are known from the period and "it would have been impossible, not to mention irrational, to keep such a thing secret." To the contrary, however, there were in fact several functional airships manufactured before the 1896–97 reports (e.g., Solomon Andrews made successful test flights of his "Aereon" in 1863), but their capabilities were far more limited than the mystery airships.


So it could be that Verne was channelling what was a real, contemporary mystery at the time when he wrote the book. One could argue that Verne may have been influenced here by the Nation of the Third Eye's psychic projectors (Thor's Pantheum) but I don't think so in this case.

At the end of the book, Robur having triumphed over his critics and rivals by demonstrating his rule over the skies, he returns his three rivals to the ground. In a short speech, Robur then says that nations are not yet fit for union. He cautions the crowd that it is evolution, not revolution, that they should be seeking. He leaves with the promise that he will one day return to reveal his secrets of flight.


This message seems very in keeping with Rosicrucian thought, as expressed by men like Sir Francis Bacon, which I will have more to say about when I post my article on Bacon and Rosicrucian America.

Robur the Conqueror would have a sequel called Master of the World, which was published in 1904. However, at the time Verne wrote the novel, his health was failing. As Wikipedia states: Master of the World is a "black novel," filled with foreboding and fear of the rise of tyrants such as the novel's villain, Robur, and totalitarianism.​
 
Sora then goes on to point out that the journeys of Jules Verne's characters are similarly heroic to those of Perceval and Lancelot of Arthurian lore (MJF: he could have gone further and linked this theme to Joseph Campbell's 'the hero's journey'). Verne's characters travel in the air, under the sea and, of course, to the centre of the Earth (for Sora, Verne's Journey to the Centre of the Earth has a central theme of death-rebirth, which, of course, is a theme beloved of the Rosicrucians). Sora then argues that the names of Verne's characters often have secret meanings . He cites as an example how in Clovis Dardenator (published in 1896 - long before the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau came to public attention), Verne's sea captain has the name Bugarach - the same as one of the mountains in the Rennes-le-Chateau area. It so happens that D'Ardent was also the title of Clovis, the most important Merovingian king. So this link oddly brings us back to the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau and Poussin's mystery mountain once again.

Hmmm... I think this also points to or may be part of the "messaging system" of these societies. Some of it is completely visual. The other, in text, but appealing to the reader's imagination. But both point to the same place.
 

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