Amanda Knox - guilty or innocent?

[Voyageur]

Re: Knox or Mignini the psychopath?

Well not sure either without clearly knowing all the evidence, however, from the onset of this case, by her very court room/statement language, and her demure, Knox seemed to me a type of mirror of Karla Homolka - _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka and if that is so, then she is now a successful mirror as is her at the time mate, like Paul Bernardo - _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo. :/

 

[The Mechanic]

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Thank you for that link Tigersoap, really an eye opener!

I think in this case the psychopaths is Giuliano Mignini, and not Amanda Knox. Even if only half of what's written in the letter by the Committee to Protect Journalists is true, the man is totally suspect.

 

[LadyRodgers]

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Thanks Tigersoap & Mechanic!
I agree with you guys, Mignini is the Psychopath!

I suppose we may never know the complete truth only those involved...

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

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I think the police in this case were completely incompetent idiots.

Well, you wouldn't believe what competent policemen, detectives and journalists have to do to do their job properly in Italy!!

As Tigersoap was saying, The Monster of Florence is a huge eye-opener about this kind of case. It's a fascinating read and you see the workings of 'justice' (or lack thereof), of Cointelpro and how two good-willed people (Preston the writer and Spezi the journalist) end up in a mess of a story (and even end up being accused !) with accusations of Satanic cults and what have you.

Let's not forget that Italy is a deeply, deeply Catholic country (superstitiously so) and 'Satanic' over there means 100 times more than anywhere else. Say 'satanic' in my country and most people will just roll their eyes. But in Italy, talking about satanism has the effect of an atomic bomb. It sends people into a frenzy and it terrifies them. Many Italians wear symbols to ward off evil on an everyday basis (cross, Italian horn).

Blogger, psychic channelling a dead priest and devout Christian Gabriella Carlizzi (i.e. a woman with no training whatsoever to be deemed worthy to help in such cases) is obsessed with rituals, satanism and Mignini just follows everything she says. It would just be pathetic if the lives of innocent people (at least in the Monster of Florence, I cannot know for Knox) were not at stake and, as it turns out, these two dangerous individuals did not always end up in charge of such cases despite clear incompetence and biases (oh, but that reminds me of a certain Capitaine in Toulouse ).

 

[anart]

Re: Knox or Mignini the psychopath?

Thanks Tigersoap & Mechanic!
I agree with you guys, Mignini is the Psychopath!

I would suggest caution with such a conclusion. One being pathological does not prevent the other from being pathological - it's not an either/or situation.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

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I think the police in this case were completely incompetent idiots.

Well, you wouldn't believe what competent policemen, detectives and journalists have to do to do their job properly in Italy!!

As Tigersoap was saying, The Monster of Florence is a huge eye-opener about this kind of case. It's a fascinating read and you see the workings of 'justice' (or lack thereof), of Cointelpro and how two good-willed people (Preston the writer and Spezi the journalist) end up in a mess of a story (and even end up being accused !) with accusations of Satanic cults and what have you.

I'll definitely have to read this book someday. Sounds quite interesting!

Let's not forget that Italy is a deeply, deeply Catholic country (superstitiously so) and 'Satanic' over there means 100 times more than anywhere else. Say 'satanic' in my country and most people will just roll their eyes. But in Italy, talking about satanism has the effect of an atomic bomb. It sends people into a frenzy and it terrifies them. Many Italians wear symbols to ward off evil on an everyday basis (cross, Italian horn).

Oh trust me I know what you are saying. I just finished spending a month in Italy so I know how Catholic beliefs effect them so much, and I saw those symbols you speak of on many occasions.

Blogger, psychic channelling a dead priest and devout Christian Gabriella Carlizzi (i.e. a woman with no training whatsoever to be deemed worthy to help in such cases) is obsessed with rituals, satanism and Mignini just follows everything she says. It would just be pathetic if the lives of innocent people (at least in the Monster of Florence, I cannot know for Knox) were not at stake and, as it turns out, these two dangerous individuals did not always end up in charge of such cases despite clear incompetence and biases (oh, but that reminds me of a certain Capitaine in Toulouse ).

Yes it all seems too disturbingly connected doesn't it? Oh how dark and crazy our world is... :/

 

[Redrock12]

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After reading the Rolling Stone article on Amanda Knox, I honestly don't believe she's a psychopath, that she was railroaded,
and is in fact innocent.
In any case, everything points to a gross miscarriage of justice on a naive 19 year-old who got royally screwed by the Italian justice system.
I really think labelling her a psychopath is a long stretch.
Then again, maybe I've got my own programs running here.
Nevertheless, the article was well-researched and written, and it paints a far different picture of who Amanda Knox is. Fwiw.
PS: The title of the article is "The Neverending Nightmare of Amanda Knox" by Nathaniel Rich, June 27/2011.

 

[LadyRodgers]

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Thanks Redrock12, great article! :D

 

[The Mechanic]

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Thanks Tigersoap & Mechanic!
I agree with you guys, Mignini is the Psychopath!

I would suggest caution with such a conclusion. One being pathological does not prevent the other from being pathological - it's not an either/or situation.

I also think one should be cautious with labelling someone a psychopath, and I agree that it's not an either/or situation. That's why I wrote that I think Mignini is a psycho, and Knox not. It's what I think has the highest probability now, to my current understanding and knowledge about the case.

But how come the Sott team isn't using the same caution while retitling three articles related to the Knox case to read something along the lines of "female psychopath convicted", etc? Obviously the Sott staff, in determining what's the truth about Knox' psychological make up, doesn't have the means at its disposal that one would want, but in this case I feel the label might be a little presumptuous, and perhaps in error.

I mean, Knox claims to have been interrogated for 50 hours, well that would probably make me say some stupid stuff as well, which I'd later retract. Of course there are still some other things that make her story a bit hard to believe, but nothing, in my opinion, that would warrant labeling her as a psycho.

 

[The Mechanic]

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Thanks for that article Redrock12, if anyone wants to read it it's here btw: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-20110627

There seem to be different figures of the time Knox's questioning by the police went on for, some articles say 50 hours, some 30, some 20. So I'm not really sure about that one.

 

[Redrock12]

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Talk about deja vu! I'm housesitting for my brother, and when I do I sometimes will watch TV. I never watch tv at home because there is nothing on mainstream TV and I'm not hooked up to cable or satellite.
Anyway, I went over tonight to check on the house, and I flicked on the tube just to see what was on. Well, the program "48 Hours"-out of Detroit-had a documentary (which just started when I flicked on the tube) on Amanda Knox's ordeal, and according to the documentary, she was interrogated-or should I say terrorized-for 50 hours non-stop, without an interpreter, a bathroom break, or even a chance to get a drink of water.
And like the RS article, it revealed how Amanda got screwed over by the Italian police and judiciary.
But in all fairness, her appeal was handled much more professionally and fairly. Most, if not all, of the forensics and her confession was thrown out, and the judge was much more objective and compassionate. Three of the jurors were crying when Amanda spoke. Nevertheless, that psycho Mignini refused to alter his opinion of her guilt, but when he emerged from the courthouse he was booed and jeered by the crowd.
(Had to modify the last sentence. The crowd was not booing Amanda's release after all. Sorry).

 

[The Mechanic]

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Thanks RedRock12, for anyone intrested that "48 hours" show about the Knox case is available on line here: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7383976n

 

[cubbex]

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Look at her eyes, you got a scary feeling from her.This case remembers me a lot from that case I like a lot about the "Bells" from London, the little girl who killed the two kids reacted in the same way like her, crying after hearing the verdict.

And the same response from the lawer:

Her lawyer, Luciano Ghirga, put a comforting arm around her as she wept.

But what's really fool is this:

"Now it's up to you," Knox told the court on Thursday in an emotional statement in which she said she was "afraid of having the mask of a murderer forced upon me".

I mean duh, you are a murderer lol, the way she talk about masks remembers me when Jung talks about the mask we wear on society, like if some humans really wear a mask.

But this gets obvious:

Sollecito said he was at his home but could not remember if Knox was also there."I fail to understand why I would have participated in this murder with no motive," Sollecito told the court.

In other words "why I did it if it wasn't good for business?"

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Reading the article about the legal system from Italy, indeed, remembers me the same with Mary. Lot of people came to defend the girl Knoxy because of her emotional dramas.

I also think one should be cautious with labelling someone a psychopath, and I agree that it's not an either/or situation. That's why I wrote that I think Mignini is a psycho, and Knox not. It's what I think has the highest probability now, to my current understanding and knowledge about the case.

But how come the Sott team isn't using the same caution while retitling three articles related to the Knox case to read something along the lines of "female psychopath convicted", etc? Obviously the Sott staff, in determining what's the truth about Knox' psychological make up, doesn't have the means at its disposal that one would want, but in this case I feel the label might be a little presumptuous, and perhaps in error.

I mean, Knox claims to have been interrogated for 50 hours, well that would probably make me say some stupid stuff as well, which I'd later retract. Of course there are still some other things that make her story a bit hard to believe, but nothing, in my opinion, that would warrant labeling her as a psycho.

I have to say that some female murders are not equal than male, they produce an effect of empathy, more if they are young, completely different than any other woman who has killed and no one thought if that X woman was innocent or not, but in some cases people really feel sorry for them, males in particular, Anart is not for example questioning her pathology as much as hayes. Of course this is not an excuse about the situation on Italy, in my "opinion" I see two predators, psychopaths or not, and one is bigger than the other.

One problem about labeling someone as psychopath is that you lose your time thinking about it, like if you start to ask yourself if you are an organic portal, that's not going to change anything. The essential thing on all this is to see the pathology.

 

[The Mechanic]

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Look at her eyes, you got a scary feeling from her.

Well, I don't, I got scarier feelings from the look of the prosecutor. But in both cases it doesn't count for anything, because you can't tell if someone is quilty of murder or a psycho just by the looks.

This case remembers me a lot from that case I like a lot about the "Bells" from London, the little girl who killed the two kids reacted in the same way like her, crying after hearing the verdict.

Well, the crying could mean anything. Notice that Sollecito wasn't crying after the verdict. Does that mean she's a killer and he's innocent? Or the other way around?

And the same response from the lawer:

Her lawyer, Luciano Ghirga, put a comforting arm around her as she wept.

Oh yeah that's totally an admission of guilt.

But what's really fool is this:

"Now it's up to you," Knox told the court on Thursday in an emotional statement in which she said she was "afraid of having the mask of a murderer forced upon me".

I mean duh, you are a murderer lol, the way she talk about masks remembers me when Jung talks about the mask we wear on society, like if some humans really wear a mask.

Well, I don't think it's an unusual statement for someone that's innocent. A quilty person could say exactly the same though, so again, it proves nothing.

But this gets obvious:

Sollecito said he was at his home but could not remember if Knox was also there."I fail to understand why I would have participated in this murder with no motive," Sollecito told the court.

In other words "why I did it if it wasn't good for business?"

Claiming that you have no motive for a murder you're on trial for is actually a pretty strong defense.

Reading the article about the legal system from Italy, indeed, remembers me the same with Mary. Lot of people came to defend the girl Knoxy because of her emotional dramas.

Well, it could also be a possibility that people came to defend her because they believed her to be innocent, emotional drama put aside.

 

[Josi]

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Thanks RedRock12, for anyone intrested that "48 hours" show about the Knox case is available on line here: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7383976n

Thanks for the link! I watched it and the prosecutor Mignini is to me, clearly the psychopath. This is another example of a modern day witch hunt. I in no way believe Knox murdered her room-mate, or had anything to do with it. The "48 hours" was very sad and made me cry for Merideth (the murder victim), Amanda, and Raphel.

Well worth the watch-I think.