Amanda Knox - guilty or innocent?

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I think the problem with this case is that Rudy Guede was already found guilty, based on hard evidence, and sentenced to 30 years, which has since been reduced to 16 making him eligible for release this year! That's pretty bizarre. The case against knox and Sollecito seems to be based on not much hard evidence but rather the circumstantial kind, and the fact that Guede implicated Knox. The whole deal is completely weird and either Knox and Sollecito are lying through their teeth or they were both in the wrong place at the wrong time and possibly seriously messed with in some way by someone. Need to look into it more.
 
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When I was looking in to all this a while ago I got a strong feeling that the evidence was doctored too. Hard to get to the facts on this one.
 
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Last year I read this book: "Blood on the Alter" - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Altar-Tobias-Jones/dp/057127496X - about an Italian murder and the investigation. It was also a sort of sociological study of how such things are actually conducted, how they work, in Italy. It really made me think that of all places I would NOT want to have any dealings with the police, it is there; there is so much corruption, so much grandstanding by police and prosecutors; judges "owned" by their "clientela" etc. Here are some articles about that case:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/18/heather-barnett-murder-italy-body-link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15704254

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/29/danilo-restivo-murder-conviction-iceberg

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/29/timeline-daniel-restivo-murder-trial

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/29/daniel-restivo-killing-third-case-claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danilo_Restivo
 
Re: Amanda Knox - psychopath?

I am in total agreement with you Laura.
After extensive reading on this case, one can't but conclude that poor girl was railroaded, plain and simple.
43 hours of non-stop interrogation, being slapped in the head, no attorney, no food or water, the list of injustices from this alone is staggering.
Not to mention the sloppy investigation, doctored evidence, and outandout lies told by Mignini and the police.
For more complete information go to _www.injusticeinperugia.org
Read what the forensic and investigative specialists have to say.
Yup, a really good idea is to stay away from Italy.
 
Re: Amanda Knox - psychopath?

Read up on the case a bit more and it does seem that there is no hard evidence to implicate either of them in the murder.

This Salon article:

_http://www.salon.com/2013/08/14/diary_of_an_ice_queen_the_literature_of_the_amanda_knox_case_partner/

does a good job of explaining what motivated the initial conviction and perhaps also the recent overturning of the appeal.

Knox still strikes me as a pretty strange person. Can't quite put my finger on it, something like a 'vacantness' or 'hollowness' about her that hasn't served her well in terms of her media exposure. It serves as an important reminder of just how little objectivity is involved in our lauded modern 'justice' systems.
 
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Perceval said:
Knox still strikes me as a pretty strange person. Can't quite put my finger on it, something like a 'vacantness' or 'hollowness' about her that hasn't served her well in terms of her media exposure. It serves as an important reminder of just how little objectivity is involved in our lauded modern 'justice' systems.
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Same here. I was thinking about this last night. Let's say, hypothetically, that Knox is a psychopath or, in Dabrowski's language, just an example of primitive integration. That doesn't mean she's guilty of course. Let's say she ISN'T guilty. But when confronted with a situation like this, her behavior will give people the impression that she IS guilty, simply because she just doesn't care. Lack of grief or concern will be seen as lack of remorse. Either way, she'll have to lie to the camera, put on a show of grief when it's expected, etc. Either way, it's callous, but not in the sense of being indicative of criminal behavior. She might even find it amusing that people think of her as a princess of evil, thus the slight smile in the interview. That said, that's just my hypothetical scenario.
 
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Approaching Infinity said:
Same here. I was thinking about this last night. Let's say, hypothetically, that Knox is a psychopath or, in Dabrowski's language, just an example of primitive integration. That doesn't mean she's guilty of course. Let's say she ISN'T guilty. But when confronted with a situation like this, her behavior will give people the impression that she IS guilty, simply because she just doesn't care. Lack of grief or concern will be seen as lack of remorse. Either way, she'll have to lie to the camera, put on a show of grief when it's expected, etc. Either way, it's callous, but not in the sense of being indicative of criminal behavior. She might even find it amusing that people think of her as a princess of evil, thus the slight smile in the interview. That said, that's just my hypothetical scenario.
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That's a good point. She had only known Meredith for a few weeks, so maybe in her mind, it wasn't something for her to feel so bad about, and yet, the whole world expected her to be devastated.
 
treesparrow said:
What one of her prison guards thinks of her after 4 years of observations -

Meredith Kercher killer Amanda Knox is an ice maiden says her prison guard

http://www.sott.net/article/273068-Meredith-Kercher-killer-Amanda-Knox-is-an-ice-maiden-says-her-prison-guard
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Yeah, the claims of the guard are kind of stupid. If Knox is innocent, how can she be expected to show remorse? Even expecting her to be shocked or traumatized for any significant length of time is unreasonable given that she only knew Kercher for a few weeks. I think Knox is a pretty strange young woman, very naive, almost 'simple-minded' in a certain sense, although she is clearly intelligent. Very hard to put a finger on what it is about her that is 'off'.
 
Plus, the guard is Italian and Amanda is American. There is a HUGE cultural difference.
 
Yeah, I read that article and kept thinking the guard is doing a whole lot of projecting onto Amanda and in the end, I didn't feel that what she said reflected all that much about Amanda, but rather that the guard was looking for things to re-affirm her pre-conceived notion that Knox was guilty. It just seemed like a load of subjective impressions. She expected Knox to act a certain way, even though it doesn't make any logical sense for Knox to be inconsolable or emotionally destroyed over the death of someone she basically just met.
 
It's a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If she cries and shows remorse, she's guilty. If she doesn't cry and show remorse, she's an ice princess and she's guilty. As Percival said, such a shallow effect doesn't help her in either case.
 
Perceval said:
treesparrow said:
What one of her prison guards thinks of her after 4 years of observations -

Meredith Kercher killer Amanda Knox is an ice maiden says her prison guard

http://www.sott.net/article/273068-Meredith-Kercher-killer-Amanda-Knox-is-an-ice-maiden-says-her-prison-guard
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Yeah, the claims of the guard are kind of stupid. If Knox is innocent, how can she be expected to show remorse? Even expecting her to be shocked or traumatized for any significant length of time is unreasonable given that she only knew Kercher for a few weeks. I think Knox is a pretty strange young woman, very naive, almost 'simple-minded' in a certain sense, although she is clearly intelligent. Very hard to put a finger on what it is about her that is 'off'.
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After all of the reading I've done about Amanda Knox and this case, I
honestly don't find anything "off" about her or her behavior.
Imo, she was just a naïve and inexperienced 19y/o in a foreign land, unable to speak the language, and totally unaware of the trap she was walking into.
 
Redrock12 said:
http://www.sott.net/article/273068-Meredith-Kercher-killer-Amanda-Knox-is-an-ice-maiden-says-her-prison-guard
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Perceval said:
Yeah, the claims of the guard are kind of stupid. If Knox is innocent, how can she be expected to show remorse? Even expecting her to be shocked or traumatized for any significant length of time is unreasonable given that she only knew Kercher for a few weeks. I think Knox is a pretty strange young woman, very naive, almost 'simple-minded' in a certain sense, although she is clearly intelligent. Very hard to put a finger on what it is about her that is 'off'.
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After all of the reading I've done about Amanda Knox and this case, I
honestly don't find anything "off" about her or her behavior.
Imo, she was just a naïve and inexperienced 19y/o in a foreign land, unable to speak the language, and totally unaware of the trap she was walking into.
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I kind of agree here. Amanda comes across as a typical American girl of our particular time with all the lacks and failings of Americans that this entails. She also has many of the positive aspects of Americans (such as they are) and this is probably what was seen by the guard as "ice maiden" stuff. She hardly knew the girl who was murdered so she couldn't feel grief. She wasn't crying about her situation because she couldn't be fully aware of the jeopardy she was in. And even if she had been, or in the moments when she was, she was "keeping her spirits up" because of that positivist American thing that "people in authority are there because they know what they are doing and are qualified" and so forth. She was pretty ignorant about the country she was visiting, anthropologically and sociologically speaking, so she wasn't aware of how THEY would see her "Americanisms", and thus was not modulating her behavior for them. (That's actually a good thing because it emphasizes her innocence.) Even if she had seen it, her American arrogance would have made her think "heck with that, I'm AMURRIKAN!" In the hands of the corrupt Italian authorities, she was quite easy to play in certain respects, but their lack of understanding of the American culture ended up making them look way more stupid to outsiders than they imagine.
 
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