Amanda Knox - guilty or innocent?

In the hands of the corrupt Italian authorities, she was quite easy to play in certain respects, but their lack of understanding of the American culture ended up making them look way more stupid to outsiders than they imagine.

Not only stupid, but it has exposed Italian corruption to the rest of the world. The fact that they are willing to destroy an innocent young woman's life speaks volumes about the authoritarian nature of Italian culture and society, a culture and society heavily influenced by the Catholic church.
 
I haven't really followed this case (other than what's discussed in this thread), but speaking of corrupt and authoritarian culture/society in Italy, my brother lived in Italy for about a year (right after graduating college). When he returned to the U.S., he was telling me about how fascistic the authorities are in Italy. One example was that the airports had "security" staff with machine guns.

They were trying to put a huge amount of unexposed film through the x-ray machine which my brother refused. These "guards" with machine guns actually came and put their machine guns in his face. It was eventually resolved, but I always remember this story when I think how the rest of the world took a couple of decades to catch up to this insanity that already existed in Italy in 1989 (I don't even know how long before my brother went there it was already in place).
 
Redrock12 said:
In the hands of the corrupt Italian authorities, she was quite easy to play in certain respects, but their lack of understanding of the American culture ended up making them look way more stupid to outsiders than they imagine.

Not only stupid, but it has exposed Italian corruption to the rest of the world. The fact that they are willing to destroy an innocent young woman's life speaks volumes about the authoritarian nature of Italian culture and society, a culture and society heavily influenced by the Catholic church.

Well, ya'll might want to read "Blood on the Altar" that I mentioned earlier. It is an anthropological/sociological study of Italy along with an investigation of the murder of a young girl. The authorities didn't just mishandle it, they consciously helped to cover it up because a priest and "important families" were involved. That poor girl's family had to wait almost 20 years for closure.
 
Laura said:
Redrock12 said:
In the hands of the corrupt Italian authorities, she was quite easy to play in certain respects, but their lack of understanding of the American culture ended up making them look way more stupid to outsiders than they imagine.

Not only stupid, but it has exposed Italian corruption to the rest of the world. The fact that they are willing to destroy an innocent young woman's life speaks volumes about the authoritarian nature of Italian culture and society, a culture and society heavily influenced by the Catholic church.

Well, ya'll might want to read "Blood on the Altar" that I mentioned earlier. It is an anthropological/sociological study of Italy along with an investigation of the murder of a young girl. The authorities didn't just mishandle it, they consciously helped to cover it up because a priest and "important families" were involved. That poor girl's family had to wait almost 20 years for closure.
Thanks Laura. Ordered it yesterday through the public library.
 
Weird, really weird stuff going on. Now, actually, after watching this last video:

_http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/30/amanda-knox-exclusive-video-interview-guilty-video

for the first time I've got the impression that the whole case is nonsense and the Italian Judiciary system is filled with IDIOTS! Actually I went to bed very late yesterday because of that, it made me sick, it was almost a shock to put it mildly.

These 'OJ Simpson-like' cases shot by the big media began to be heavily spread all over in 2007, actually after 5 years of constant media bombardment over the crazy 'Murder of Cogne', with the accused woman Annamaria Franzoni, which exploded in 2002. I mean that TV shows were performed almost every week for 5 years about this case alone! And can't remember when it really ended. Just crazy!

So in 2007 were on air:

1) the killing of Tommaso Onofri, March 2007 - case solved? The murderer was a certain Mr. Alessi, and then the father of Tommaso committed suicide; he was subjected to such a heavy mediatic attention, invading his own privacy, trying also to link him to the murderer..

2) the Garlasco murder, August 2007 - unknown murderer as yet.

3) Meredith Kercher and all that in November 2007 - unknown murderer as yet.

Oh, and of course in 2004 there was the case of the missing child Denise Pipitone. Case unresolved, devastating media coverage too.

These are Weapons of Mass Distraction, if not of evil corruption to the bone.

One common denominator could be the 'Forensic analysis' done by the police. For Tommaso's father AND for the Garlasco cases it was about 'sexual images, if not pedo-pornographic' found into their PCs. For Sollecito and Amanda there was something like that too.

Either the Italian Police is not able at all to perform forsensics, or the separation of the roles during the investigations are so messed up that they could mean everything and nothing at the same time. The police investigates, the investigators investigate, the lawyers investigate, the judge itself investigates, the media investigates as a final reshaping and rebuilding of all the story. Just crazy.

This article below may sum it up a bit... leaving apart plain corruption of course, and that bit of right-wing bias, just because it comes from a pro-Berlusconi magazine: that obviously has everything to gain from the multiple failures of the Judiciary system!

Italy, land of the unsolved cases[/url]
Why, according to a former intelligence agent, we'are not able to investigate at all.
_http://news.panorama.it/cronaca/Il-Paese-dei-misteri-Ecco-perche-l-Italia-si-tinge-di-gialli

by Nadia Francalacci

"In Italy there is a lack of art. Too much science, too much technology, too many virtual testing. These are destroying these investigations and contributes to let the perpetrators of crimes to remain unpunished."

The chronicle in Italy seems destined to become more and more history. A story, with the capital "S" that many times does not have a solution.

They are in fact so many unsolved Italian mysteries without a mandante, with no guilty party, where the political and military powers are mixed with the underworld, the secret services and diverted Vatican officials. From Calvi case to Sindona's, the 'Piano Solo' along with General De Lorenzo, Gladio and the secret services, the P2 Lodge and Mattei's case.

But these intricate current events become history without a solution, if they are now adding another, much simpler, that "risk" but to go down in history as the "new" unsolved mysteries: the Garlasco case, the murder in Perugia with Amanda Knox and the murder of Yara Gambirasio.

"In our country, the investigator has disappeared from the street - confesses to Panorama.it, Victor, a former Italian intelligence agent who for years was in charge of counter-terrorism - now the investigation is based solely on technology, science. Nothing could be more wrong. The technology must be a supportive alternative art, the only evidence you are likely to build it's a virtual environment, and the cases are easily "destroyed." And when I say "art", I am referring to humans, to an intelligence investigator, to his intuition and his ability to stand between the people in the street."

According to the former agent, most of the cases in the news that have remained unresolved in recent years in Italy, have only been the subject of scientific studies and expert opinions in court were easily "deconstructed" and not actual surveys. That is, structured and logical reconstructions of the crime.

"The case of the murder in Perugia, or when they show us how Garlasco technical expertise over technical expertise only lead to the closure of that legal proceedings without the identification and conviction of the guilty - Vittorio continues - probably in both cases, if there was to investigate status as a marshal for the massacre of Erba, perhaps even for perpetrators of crimes as seen with Meredith Kercher and Chiara Poggi, it would come to life imprisonment for Olindo and likely for Rosa" [Referring to the 'Massacre of Erba']

"That case was settled by a single marshal that instead of staying in the barracks in front of a computer or wait for scientific and technical findings, began to talk to people, tried to understand the context where it gained the massacre - the continuous ' former intelligence agent - and has acquired evidence contrary to "evidence" that led to the conviction of the two authors of the massacre: life imprisonment. Before a test acquired in the field there is the possibility that the latter may be removed by appraisals, though scientific, but they are based only on data and virtual"

And in this way they could have had the cases of Perugia and Garlasco already closed.
"The Garlasco case was "played" procedurally, in almost every aspect, on the computer of the boy: if this was on or off, whether he worked or not during the time of the murder - continues - but probably would have been enough for the investigators to talk to the local residents of the neighborhood, where Chiara Poggi was killed, walk on those sidewalks, talking with people who knew who entered in that house. And we would have been able without the need for any expert to know who was the murderer and the precise time of the crime. Same thing for the case in Perugia."

"Espionage is the ancient art investigator who unfortunately has been forgotten - he continues - but it is and remains the winning weapon to solve a case: from the most simple to the very complex. Unfortunately, to ruin the investigations have been two things: technology and repent. Investigators with the arrival of the figure of the penitent, they stopped to "spy " and you are limited to checking out. Nothing could be more wrong. Also today, to permanently destroy an 'investigation' and compromise the outcome of a trial, is likely the Magistrate, who has the presumption to play the detective role. That's why cases are not resolved."

But according to Victor, in Italy the entire system is also wrong, the investigative organization, which helps to create chaos and make "mysterious" murders by the dynamics trivial.

"In Italy you must play distinct roles. There has to be a cop and the administrative investigator - he continues - and the investigator must stand in the street, in the midst of people to spy. It must be just that his work."

The opposite was the case of Yara Gambirasio.

"In the investigation into the murder of little Yara lacks the method - said the former intelligence agent - and there is the risk that an engineer, or a scientist, is able to "build up" a report or a study, to create a culprit or cause, to fulfill the real culprit of the atrocious murder. The results? That justice will never be done, and that probably will become one of the by now many unresolved mysteries."
 
This is going to be a long post. About half-way through it, I thought about turning it into an article for SOTT, but decided I'd run it past all of you first.


Last couple of evenings I took some time out to read the updated edition of The Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. After one, thankfully brief, description of the murders, he considerately avoids graphic descriptions. (That's to let the squeamish know that they can survive this book which is well worth reading for other reasons.)

There are four main threads in the book: 1) the murders; 2) the completely bizarre world of Italian officialdom; 3) the activities of the journalist, Mario Spezi; 4) the involvement of Douglas Preston himself.

Regarding the murders, at one point, the Italian police/prosecutor, request a profile from the FBI's BSU. The results of this profile are included in the book and actually do describe accurately an individual who, in the opinion of Preston and Spezi, IS the killer. However, the Italian police/prosecutor just dump this profile to the side as useless and go after all kinds of peripheral individuals - and even some totally unrelated individuals - ruining lives, putting people in prison, subjecting them to horrendous interrogations, obviously buying witnesses, planting false evidence, and more. It's truly the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

Respecting the bizarre world of Italian officialdom, while reading all this, I started having an intense feeling of deja vu... Apparently, the chief inspector Michele Guittari and the prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini (the latter apparently influencing the former) concocted the theory that behind the Monster killings was a satanic cult composed of a cabal of wealthy and powerful people who occupied the highest positions in society: business, law, medicine, etc. These individuals hired the killers (innocent dupes set up by Guittari and Mignini) to obtain body parts for their black masses.

Later on, as the case proceeded, it became obvious where Mignini was getting his ideas: from an online conspiracy theorist named Gabriella Carlizzi. Preston writes about Lizard Woman (for such she is):

Carlizzi claimed to know a great deal of hidden information about many infamous European crimes of the past decades - including the kidnapping and murder of the former Italian prime minister Aldo Moro and the Belgian pedophile ring. Behind them all, she said, was the School of the Red Rose. On the day of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, Carlizzi shot a fax out to Italian newspapers: "It was them, the members fo the Red Rose. How they want to strike Bus!" The Red Rose was also behind the Monster killings. Carlizzi had earlier been convicted of defamation for claiming the well-known Italian writer Alberto Bevilacqua was the Monster of Florence, but since that time her theories had apparently evolved. Her site was also filled with religious and inspirational stories and a section in which she detailed her conversations with the Madonna of Fatima.

Carlizzi became an expert witness for the investigation. Giuttari and his {task force} detectives called her in and listened to her for hours - perhaps even days - as she recounted her knowledge of the activities of the satanic sect hidden in the green hills of Tuscany. The police had to give her a protective escort, she would later claim, because of the grave danger she faced from members of the sect intent on silencing her.

Obviously, there ARE cases where something along this line (Satanic or pseudo-satanic cults in high places) MIGHT be true, but I don't think it is that simple. And I think that IF such cabals exist (and there are a lot of clues pointing in that direction), this is certainly not how they would be getting their stuff, whatever it is. Reading the rants of Lizard woman, a selection of which Preston includes in his book, we can easily recognize the flavor of this whole situation.

One might almost think that Carlizzi was a deliberate creation of some secret services, mind-programmed and controlled to introduce lies and confusion into selected situations for
the purposes of damage-control. But again, it's not that simple. As I've said repeatedly, there are plenty of pathologically deficient people who, when a gap between official reality and observed reality opens, jump right in there and fill it with the most insane nonsense that is simply derived from their own psychological deficiencies. We've seen enough of them show up on this forum.

The end result is, of course, not just muddying of the waters, but the destruction of logic in those who are susceptible, and worst of all: giving any research or ideas that are NOT controlled by the mainstream, a bad name. Notice how Preston includes the remark that Carlizzi is concerned with spiritual matters and chats with the Madonna. So any spirituality or research into the paranormal is automatically tarnished by association with the truly insane ideas spouted by this Lizard woman, Carlizzi.

Ya really have to read the book to get the full sense of this.

Anyway, this very much reminded me of the influence internet defamation had on the Police Judiciare in Toulouse - and possibly the prosecutor of the department wherein we live. The "crime" of which we were accused - being a dangerous "secte" - is obviously not as serious as the string of murders attributed to the Monster of Florence, but I think you can see where such accusations COULD lead! And, of course, during that investigation we were subjected to, I had a very difficult time really grokking how these supposedly intelligent, logical, clear thinking French officials could be so gullible and actually initiate and base an investigation on such nonsense and drivel. I mean, it literally boggles the mind. And no matter what we said then, and later during the Fiscal audit, no matter how many documents we provided, how much proof we pointed to, it literally made no difference. It was assumed that we were just really good at covering our tracks and hiding our TRUE activities. Preston, it seems, came up against the same realization about the Italians which caused me to reflect on the similarities between the Italians and French. What is interesting in Preston's story was the explanation he received from no less a person than Count Niccolo Capponi.

Capponi's Palazzo was used in the film "Hannibal" in the scenes where Hannibal Lecter, alias "Dr. Fell", was employed as the curator of the Capponi library and archive.
http://www.terraditoscana.com/hannibal/uk/pages/kappa.htm

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Capponi, himself, is a historian/professor, author of a book about Machiavelli: http://www.amazon.com/An-Unlikely-Prince-Times-Machiavelli/dp/B004I1JQZC

So, Preston meets Capponi and they become friends. This is also described in the book as well as some interesting background to the making of the movie "Hannibal." Capponi is also friends with the Italian journalist, Mario Spezi, who covered the Monster murders from day one and observed the insanity of the Italian investigation and later was completely shocked by the behavior of the media. The investigation of Mignini and Guittari proceeds. When one suspect whose life has been ruined by their confabulations gets away, they don't miss a beat, they find another person's life to ruin with false accusations along with the lives of all the peripheral people involved with that person. At this point, Count Niccolo and Preston are having lunch together and Capponi, as a historian, tries to explain things:

Dietrologia,” said Count Niccolo. “That is the only Italian word you need to know to understand the Monster of Florence investigation.”

We were having our usual lunch at II Bordino. I was eating baccala, salt cod, while the Count enjoyed stuffed arista. “Dietrologia?” I asked.

Dietro—behind. Logia—the study of.” The count spoke grandly, as if still in the lecture hall, his plummy English accent echoing in the cavelike interior of the restaurant.

Dietrologia is the idea that the obvious thing cannot be the truth. There is always something hidden behind, dietro. It isn’t quite what you Americans call conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory implies theory, something uncertain, a possibility. The dietrologist deals only in fact. This is how it really is. Aside from football, dietrologia is the national sport in Italy. Everyone is an expert at what's really going on, even . . . how do you Americans say it? . . . even if they don’t know jack -shite-{e}.”

“Why?” I asked.

"Because it gives them a feeling of importance! This importance may only be confined to a small circle of idiotic friends, but at least they are in the know. Potere, power, is that I know what you do not know. Dietrologia is tied to the Italian mentality of power. You must appear to be in the know about all things.

“How does this apply to the Monster investigation?”

“My dear Douglas, it is the very heart of the matter! At all costs, they have to find something behind the apparent reality. There cannot not be something. Why? Because it is not possible that the thing you see is the truth. Nothing is simple, nothing is as it seems. Does it look like a suicide? Yes? Well then it must be murder. Somebody went out for coffee? Aha! He went out for coffee . . . But what was he really doing?”

He laughed.

“In Italy,” he continued, “there is a permanent climate of witch-hunting. You see, Italians are fundamentally envious. If somebody makes money, there must be a fiddle there somewhere. Of course he was in cahoots with someone else. Because of the cult of materialism here, Italians envy the rich and powerful. They’re suspicious of them and at the same time want to be them. They have a love-hate relationship with them. Berlusconi is a classic example.”

'And that’s why the investigators are looking for a satanic sect of the rich and powerful?”

"Precisely. And at all costs they have to find something. Once they’ve started, to save face they have to go on. For the sake of this idea, they will do anything. They cannot give it up. You anglosassoni do not understand the Mediterranean concept of face. I was doing historical research in a little thing that a distant ancestor had done three hundred years ago. Nothing very bad, just a naughty thing that was already largely known. The head of the family was aghast. He said, ‘You can’t publish this! Che figura ci facciamo! What shame it would cast upon our family!”

We finished and rose to pay at the counter. The count as usual insisted on picking up the tab ("They know me,” he explained, “and give me lo sconto, the discount”).

As we stood on the cobbled street outside the restaurant, Niccolo gazed at me gravely. “In Italy, the hatred of your enemy is such that he has to be built up, made into the ultimate adversary, responsible for all evil. The investigators in the Monster case know that behind the simple facts hides a satanic cult, its tentacles reaching into the highest levels of society. This is what they will prove, no matter what. Woe to the person”—he eyed me significantly—“who disputes their theory because that makes him an accomplice. The more vehemently he denies being involved, the stronger is the proof.”

He laid a large hand on my shoulder. “Then again, perhaps there is some truth to their theories. Perhaps there is a satanic sect. After all, this is Italy .

Let me paraphrase that statement: "The investigators know that behind the simple facts hides a cult...This is what they will prove, no matter what....The more vehemently it is denied, the stronger is the proof..." and we see exactly how WE were treated by the French Police Judiciare. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

So, this "lust to power," to to say, combined with endemic envy and over-weening self-importance appears to be the psychological state behind this Mediterranean concept of 'face' that permeates Italy, France and, I hear, Spain as well. I don't know about the other countries surrounding the Med, like Greece, Cyprus, but it seems that it may play a strong part in the psychological make-up of the Arabic countries as well, though certainly with a powerful religious twist. In France, there is, actually, a "religious twist" given to it: Being French is the religion of France, and it is just as damning as any other religion. (And that's not to say that being American is not the religion of America, fundamentally, and Calvinism has been drafted into the service of American exceptionalism.)

Getting back to the Monster of Florence, moving eventually to how this relates to Amanda Knox, sure enough, as Preston continues to relate the events, the efforts on his and Spezi's part to do a journalistic investigation into the murders in order to show how badly derailed the official investigation actually was, resulted in Preston being hauled in for a nasty interrogation, and subsequently, Mignini and Guittari, under the influence of the Lizard woman, manufactured evidence that Spezi was himself was the Monster/murderer, or at least the mastermind. You really have to read the book to see how twisted and pathological the thinking of Mignini and Guittari really is. I even wonder, at this point, if Mignini and Guittari were not using Carlizzi to spread rumors and memes to back them up, and what they were actually doing was throwing suspicion on a lot of innocent people in order to hide their own possible involvement in the very types of crimes they were projecting onto everybody and his brother. After all, that IS typical of the psychopathic mind: to accuse others of what you, yourself, are doing or plan to do.

What was amazing at this point was the effect that all this total nonsense had not only on the public, but on journalists themselves! Preston writes:

In my conversations with Italian friends and journalists, I was surprised to discover that quite a few suspected that at least some of the accusations {against Spezi and Preston, his accomplice!} were true. ... They viewed my outrage as naive and a bit gauche. To be outraged is to be earnest, to be sincere - and to be a dupe. Some Italians were quick to strike the pose of the world-weary cynic who takes nothing at face value and who is far too clever to be taken in by Spezi's and my protestations of innocent.

"Ah!" said Count Niccolo in one of our frequent conversations. "Of course Spezi and you were up to no good at that villa! Dietrologia insists that it be so. Only a naif would believe that you two journalists went to the villa 'just to have a look.' The police wouldn't have arrested Spezi for no reason! You see, Douglas, an Italian must always appear to be furbo. You don't have an English equivalent for that marvelous word. It means a person who is wily and cunning, who knows which way the wind is blowing, who can fool you but never be fooled himself. Everyone in Italy wants to believe the worst of others so they don't end up looking gullible. Above all, they want to be seen as furbo."

Thankfully, Spezi had a good friend in Preston to helped to create an international uproar.

Now, get this: Spezi was arrested and held incommunicado for five days before his arraignment. Only on that day was he allowed a bar of soap and a bath! At the hearing, the prosecutor, Mignini, appeared to argue why Spezi was a "danger to society." You are NOT going to believe this twisted reasoning:

"The journalist", Mignini wrote in his brief, "accused of obstructing the investigation of the Monster of Florence is at the center of a genuine disinformation campaign, not unlike that which might be undertaken by a deviant secret service." This disinformation operation, Mignini explained, was an attempt to derail the investigation into the "group of notable people" who had been the masterminds behind the killings of the Monster of Florence. ...Spezi had tried to redirect the investigation back to the Sardinian trail {indicated by the FBI profile, I should add}, because "in that case there wouldn't be even the minimum danger that the investigation might touch the world of the notables and the masterminds."

Like I said, there certainly may be "notables" who are involved in unsavory stuff; there is REAL evidence that this is the case. But in this situation, the alleged "notables" that the Mignini and Guittari went after were definitely not in the class nor at the altitude where this stuff may REALLY go on. Again, it LOOKS like a huge smoke-screen and re-direction of attention operation and if that is the case, then it is Mignini and Guittari who are the masterminds with Carlizzi as their dupe. But that is just speculation.

The date was set for Spezi's 'bail hearing' on April 28 (he had been arrested on April 7). Preston writes:

The review would take place before three other judges from Perugia, close colleagues of {Mignini} and of the examining magistrate. The Tribunal of Reexamination was not known for reversing its colleagues, especially in a highly visible case like this one, on which the {Mignini} had placed all his credibility as a prosecutor.

On April 18, twelve days after Spezi's arrest, the Committee to Protect Journalists had finished its investigation into Spezi's case. The next day, Ann Cooper, the executive director, faxed a letter to the prime minister of Italy. It said, in part:

Journalists should not be fearful to conduct their own investigations into sensitive matters or to speak openly and criticize officials. In a democratic country such as your own, one that is an integral part of the European Union, such fear is unacceptable. We call on you to make sure that Italian authorities clarify the serious charges against our colleague Mario Spezi and make public all available evidence supporting those charges, or release him immediately.

The persecution of Mario Spezi and his U.S. colleague Douglas Preston, who is afraid to travel to Italy for fear of prosecution, sends a dangerous message to Italian journalists that sensitive stories such as the Tuscany killing should be avoided. Government efforts to promote this climate of self-censorship are anathema to democracy.

Copies of this letter were sent out to a whole bunch of other authorities, so it was clear that the Italian system/government/people were now being judged by the rest of the world as more or less un-democratic, totalitarian, thus un-civilized. A number of other organizations got on the bandwagon and finally, the Italian media found its cojones. Things started getting wild and I guess it was at this point that the PTB decided to sacrifice Guittari and Mignini... well, almost.

Because of the public outcry, the pressure that Preston helped to generate, Spezi was set free and that was seen as an enormous rebuke to Mignini. But he didn't even pause. He immediately appealed the decision. But, soon after, Guittari was indicted for falsifying evidence including doctoring tape recordings!!!

"Is it not as I said?" Count Niccolo told me the next day. "Guittari is taking the fall. With your campaign, you have sputtanato {cast aspersions on} the Italian judiciary in front of the whole world, with the risk of making them an international laughingstock. They don't give a damn about Spezi and his rights. They just wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible. All they care about is preserving face. La faccia, la faccia! The only surprise to me is that it happened a great deal sooner than I expected. ...

The Supreme Court of Italy summarily rejected Mignini's appeal with a curt opinion that it was "inadmissible," and dismissed all the proceedings against Spezi....

A few months later, Guittari's and Mignini's offices were raided by the police, who carried away boxes of files. They discovered that Mignini had been invoking a special anti-terrorist law to order wiretaps of journalists who had written critically about his Monster of Florence investigation - wiretaps carried out by Guittari {and his task force}. In addition to wiretapping journalists, Guittari had also been taping telephone calls and conversations with a number of Florentine judges and investigators, including his counterpart in Florence, the public minister Paolo Canessa. It seemed that Mignini suspected them of being part of a vast Florentine conspiracy working against his investigation into the masterminds behind the Monster Killings.

In the summer of 2006, both Guittari and Mignini were indicted for abuse of office. .. Guittari lost his staff and the Monster of Florence case was taken away from him. ...

Mignini so far has retained his position of public minister {prosecutor} of Perugia, but two more prosecutors were added to his staff, allegedly to help him with his workload; their real assignment, everyone knew, was to keep him out of trouble.

Count Niccolo's father, Count Neri Capponi, had been a judge himself. After all the dust began to settle, he wrote a letter to the editor of the Atlantic Monthly where Preston's article about the Monster killings and the situation vis a vis the Italian police and judiciary that had developed around his and Spezi's investigation had been published. The letter said:

Sir
The travesty of justice undergone by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi is the tip of the iceberg. The Italian judiciary (which includes the public prosecutors) is a branch of the civil service. This particular branch chooses its members, is self-ruling and is accountable to no one: a state within a state!

This body of bureaucrats can be roughly divided into three sections: a large minority, corrupt and affiliated with the former communist party, a large section of honest people who are too frightened to stand up to the political minority (who controls the office of the judiciary), and a minority of brave and honest men with little influence.

Political and dishonest judges have an infallible method of silencing or discrediting opponents, political or otherwise. A bogus, secret, indictment, the tapping of telephones, the conversations (often doctored) fed to the press who starts a smear campaign which raises the sales, a spectacular arrest, prolonged preventive detention under the worst possible conditions, third degree interrogations, and finally a trial that lasts many years ending in the acquittal of a ruined man. Spezi was lucky because the powerful Florentine public prosecutor is no friend of the Perugia one and, I am told, "suggested" that Spezi be freed: the Perugia court, I am told, accepted the "suggestion".

It may be of interest to know that miscarriages of justice in Italy (excluding acquittals with a ruined defendant) amount to four million and a half in fifty years.

yours sincerely,
Neri Capponi

Just how nuts these people are was in evidence when Preston and Spezi later went with Dateline NBC to film a program on the Monster of Florence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l38OewLJPRA

Stone Phillips, the show's host, interviewed Guittari, the corrupt cop, who "continued to insiste that Spezi and {Preston} had planted evidence..." He also made the claim that the guy who Spezi and Preston believe to be the real Monster of Florence for a lot of good reasons, who also happens to fit the FBI BAU profile, was "in prison for another crime..." at the time of one of the murders. The next guy interviewed was the real Monster of Florence who confirmed what Guittari had said, i.e., that he had been in prison so could not be "the Monster." The NBC staff checked this claim and found that both Guittari and the suspect were lying: he had never been in jail during the periods of any of the killings. In other words, a corrupt cop has formed an alliance with a deranged killer and is protecting him!!! How sick is that?

On September 27, 2007, the latest of the accused "notables" that Mignini believed to be involved with the Monster killings, an old, broken-down pharmacist, Calamandrei, was brought to trial. During the course of the trial, his attorney read aloud to the court one of the documents on which Mignini relied for his case proof, a statement taken from a "witness": it was a sworn deposition of an associate of Gabriella Carlizzi - yup, lizard woman again! - and it was so full of schizoidal insanity that it basically destroyed Mignini's case entirely to have it read aloud. Apparently, Mignini had earlier slapped a seal of secrecy on this alleged testimony. Spezi was in the courtroom listening and was astonished to learn that HE was the subject of the "sworn statement". Here is where I had deja vu about Vincent Bridges, Jay Weidner, "Jean the pedophile" who reported us to the Police Judiciare, etc.

As Zanobini {Calamandrei's atty.} read the bizarre document... Spezi heard an astonishing, completely fabricated story about his own life and how he had become the Monster of Florence. The woman told Mignini that Spezi was an illegitimate child, having been conceived on a Sardinian farm in Tuscany during an illicit liaison between his mother and a famous musician. This musician - a man of perverse habits - had committed the first double-killing of 1968 for his own sick gratification. When Spezi grew up and discovered the truth about his real father, he decided to carry on his murderous avocation as a family tradition, and thus became, in the woman's words, the "real Monster of Florence." ... And she went on to claim that the "writer Douglas Preston, Spezi's friend, is connected to the American Secret Service."

Why hadn't she spoken about this before? "Because I am afreaid of Mario Spezi and his friends," she said to Mignini. "When Spezi was arrested by you I gathered up my courage and decided to speak about it with Carlizzi, because I trusted her and I knew she sought the truth."

The trial continued this way for EIGHT MONTHS, exposing day by day by day the ridiculousness of the satanic sect theory of the Monster killings. At the end, the judge simply pronounced: "Acquitted; for the reason that the allegation is nonexistent." That is to say, that the claim that there was some satanic cult behind the Monster of Florence killings was such nonsense that it lacked "any logical foundation. He then pronounced Mignini's investigation devoid of value.

Now, keep in mind that dozens of lives have been destroyed in this witchhunt and if she is not the dupe of Mignini, then Carlizzi is a woman with a LOT to answer for in this life or the next.

Now, we come to Amanda Knox and I hope that I've given enough background and context to understand what happened there. As just mentioned, the trial of the latest victim of Mignini's Monster of Florence witch-hunt began on 27 September 2007. It was on 2 November 2007 that the poor Kercher girl was murdered.

Judge Giuliano Mignini, Public Minister of Perugia, took charge of the case as chief prosecutor.

Now, obviously, Mignini is desirous of creating a smokescreen to cover up his loss of face in the Monster trial that was running at that moment. And, sure enough, Preston writes:

A few days after the crime, I got a call from niccolo Capponi. His cynical Edwardian drawl came rolling down the international wire: "My dear Douglas, I have a little wager for you. I bet you a bottle of '97 Chianti Classico that before the week is out someone will connect this poor girl's murder with the Monster of Florence."

Sure enough, on November 7, Gabriella Carlizzi posted a new page at her website:

The human sacrifice of the student {Kercher} bears a close connection with the "Narducci Case" and with the Monster of Florence...

She wondered if "those who commissioned this murder" did it knowing the investigation would end up in Mignini's lap, and in this way the "offered sacrifice" to Satan would be a fair exchange for the protection they hoped to gain from Mignini's investigations of their Satanic rituals." ...

While Carlizzi blogged, Mignini forged ahead with the case...

Preston then discusses what was done to Amanda, how the case was handled in the same, corrupt, inept manner as the whole Monster of Florence case had been bungled. What was most shameful was the way the American and English press just simply got onboard with the Italian media that was being daily corrupted by "leaks" from Mignini et al. And, just as with the Monster case, Carlizzi's theories became Mignin's theories. (As I mentioned, I wonder if it is the other way around? Who is feeding who, duping who, here?)

Finally, CBS's 48 Hours show hired a top criminal defense investigator, Paul Ciolino, and sent him to review the evidence. Ciolino, influenced by the media - as was everyone - went to Perugia thinking that Amanda was probably guilty. However, at the end of his review and interviews with everyone involved, he had definitely changed his mind. He told 48 Hours that the prosecution of Amanda Knox was a "railroad job from hell" and a "police-generated fairy tale."

This part of Preston's book is well worth reading because he quotes Ciolino's comments. Preston asked him: "Do you think she'll be convicted?" And Ciolino said: "Say good-bye to Amanda. She's been so convicted already that it's scary. She's gonna be gone unless people rise up and fight."

After the 48 Hours episode was aired, the case became better reported in the US, and many voices were raised against the obvious judicial malfeasance of Mignini. Mignini then went on the attack against "US Interference."

"I am shocked and scandalized, " he said. "it is the first time have come across such presumption and superficiality... From across the ocean there are those who are conducting an organized press campaign that seeks to undermine the investigation." He then added, darkly and mysteriously, "But the masterminds of this operation are in Italy." Mignini didn't identify the masterminds, but many following the case were certain he meant Mario Spezi. "Don't you believe he was thinking of me?' Mario wrote me the next day, clearly shaken. "This man is very, very sick." ...

Mignini continued his investigation into the death of Narducci and its connection to the Monster of Florence. Calamandrei's acquittal and the judge's declaration that Mignini's investigation was worthless did not deter the {prosecutor} of Perugia. On October 10, 2008, only a week before he was to present the case against Amanda, Mignini held a hearing in Perugia about the Narducci case. The courtroom was packed with the lawyers of many of the twenty-two people Mignini had accused of involvement in the Narducci murder and cadaver switching. ... Mignini asked the judge {his pal} to split the Narducci investigation into two parts.... to affirm the fact that Narducci was murdered - something he had not been able to prove... {as a trick to} free Mignini to proceed full speed ahead with the second investigation against Spezi and the others for crimes related to the alleged cadaver-switching including conspiracy, racketeering, hiding a human corpse, obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, and perjury.

My own name {Preston} was on that list of conspirators. ...

At the hearing, Mignini portrayed Spezi as a journalistic Rasputin, the tentacles of his malefic influence reaching far and wide. "He manipulated journalists, journalistic associations and organizations, mystery and thriller writers, and even politicians, successfully drawing them knowingly or unknowingly into his criminal orbit, and with an extraordinary lack of scruples he exploited the support which he enjoyed, and probably still enjoyes, in Florence and in the journalistic field in general."

In other words, anyone who stood up for the truth of what Spezi was saying, and his right to investigate the case and investigate the investigators, was simply under his Svengali-like spell. I can really identify with this because it is the same attitude taken toward me by the French Police Judiciare and the Fisc.

In the middle of all this, Calamandrei's lawyer presented to the court evidence that Narducci had not been murdered at all (this was one of Carlizzi's "connected conspiracies" where the death of a guy over there had nothing at all to do with anything over here except in her twisted imagination!) The reading of this evidence threw the whole court into an uproar....

At this point in his review of the Amanda Knox case, Preston presents what amounts to a bombshell considering what we see above of the Italian judicial system, that real killers are left to roam freely while innocent people are subjected to the need to save face and appear cool and "in the know". Preston writes:

But the biggest surprise on that day in October {at the Narducci hearing} occurred outside the courtroom and did not involve the Monster case - but Amanda Knox. A little before noon, during a break, Spezi left the tribunal in Perugia and crossed the sun­ drenched piazza to grab an espresso at a sidewalk cafe. A few moments later a timid and exceedingly nervous young woman approached.

"'I’m a fellow journalist here in Perugia," she said quietly. "Could I speak with you a moment?" Spezi invited her to sit at his table. She looked about furtively, as if to check if she were being followed. Then she lit a cigarette with a trembling hand and, stumbling over her words, blurted out: "I hope they don't see us together!"

"Excuse me," Spezi asked, "but who is 'they'?"

"Them, the police. Mignini's men."

“And why can't we be seen together. What are you afraid of?"

"My name is Francesca Bene," she said all in a rush, "and I work for a small newspaper here, the Giornale dell'Umbria. Last July I made what I thought was a real scoop about the case of Meredith Kercher. I learned that the morning of the murder, a few hours before the discovery of the body, in a piazza near Meredith's house, a young man well-known in Perugia as a drug addict and dealer was seen washing himself in the public fountain because he was all covered with blood and also had a big cut on one hand. He was out of his mind, screaming, “I killed her. I killed her."'

The young reporter took a drag from her cigarette and went on. "I found many witnesses to this scene and I spoke to the ambulance driver and EMT who arrived to take care of the young man. All freely gave me their names and all of them agreed on the details."

"I remember the story," Spezi interrupted. "The scoop was reprinted in the Carriere della Sera and also taken up by Rai television. But the next day there was nothing, not even a line. The story just died, nothing more ever came out. I assumed it was an error, a false news report."

"The story was absolutely correct in every detail."

"Then what happened? Why wasn't there any follow­up?"

"I'll tell you what happened." Francesca Bene looked around again. "The very day I published that story, I was summoned to the prosecutor's office and interrogated by Mignini's men-in particular that big policewoman, the same one who interrogated Amanda Knox." (The one Amanda says struck her.) "She scares me."

"What was there to interrogate you about?" Spezi said. "You say your story was, corroborated by many witnesses who went on the record."

"Of course. But that didn't stop them from indicting me for the crime of inciting public alarm by publishing false information."

"But that's absurd."

"I was afraid. I'm the only one who works in my family and if I lose my job . . . I was afraid. So I dropped the story."

To this day, neither Mignini nor the police appear to have investigated the episode or questioned the drug addict; nor have they apparently taken his DNA to compare it to the many unknown DNA samples recovered from the scene of the murder. The addict has been shut up in a rehab clinic ever since, unavailable to the press. Stranger still, the description the half-dozen witnesses gave of the addict - thirtyish, blond, blue eyes, wearing a white Wool beret pulled down on his head and a dark coat - matches the description Guede first gave of the man he claims to have struggled with at the scene of the murder.

The connection, if any, between the bloody man shrieking "I killed her" and the murder of Meredith Kercher remains largely uninvestigated and unknown.

I think if I were the parents of Meredith Kercher, I'd be pretty interested in finding the killer of my child. I'd also be interested in correcting a horrible perversion of justice in view of the fact that it really does appear that Amanda Knox is innocent and has bee unjustly prosecuted and persecuted by a corrupt and degenerate Italian legal system. This legal system reminds me a lot of the legal system at the end of Republican Rome where prosecuting high profile lawsuits was the way to make political capital and everybody was doing it. What is most disturbing is that this is also, to a great extent, how things are done in France though, admittedly, the rule of law still holds some value there that appears to be non-existent in Italy. It could be said that the law can be a counterweight to the French tendency to want to appear to be "in the know", though not always. In any event, what Preston writes in closing to his book is depressing:

During the course of the year, Mignini's own troubles with the law deepened. He was indicted for illegally wiretapping journalists, obstructing justice, violating judicial seal, and harassing newspapers with illegal investigations. The Florentine public minister publicy condemned Mignini, saying he had "fallen prey to a kind of delirium" in the Monster case and would go to "any extreme in defending himself from those who would criticize his investigation." Giuttari, he said, cynically manipulated Mignini's delirium "for his own personal, vindictive interests beyond the bounds of his professional responsibilities." ...

Inexplicably, even while under heavy indictments, Mignini continues to serve as public minister of Perugia and chief prosecutor in the Amanda Knox case. As for Giuttari, he labors under a cloud of disgrace. His elite squad was disbanded and his men taken from him. He was shuttled to Rome and installed in an office colloquially known as rhe "Parking Lot." And there he remains, with no official responsibilities, marking time until his retirement.

The government's last offer to Spezi for his illegal detention was compensation at the rate of two hundred euros for every day he spent in prison, the going rate for a housekeeper. His lawyer appealed the offer but has yet to receive an answer. Mignini continues to assert that as long as Spezi remains under investigation he should receive no compensation at all.

Over the summer (2009?) Mignmi publicly threatened to have me arrested if I returned to Italy. I first heard about the threat from, of all places, Amanda Knox's mother, who called me to say that Mignini had taken Amanda's lawyer aside in the courtroom and said to him, out of the blue: "If Douglas Preston returns to Italy, I will have him arrested." Mignini repeated the threat to a British journalist and an Italian journalist covering the Knox case. When the U.S. State Department asked Mignini if there was indeed a warrant for my arrest, he refused to respond, saying that releasing any information would "violate Mr. Preston's privacy rights." As a result, even though the case against me has allegedly been closed, I dare not return to Italy.

After the publication of The Monster of Florence, Mario and I received thousands of e-mails from readers asking many of the same questions: When can Preston return to Italy? Is he still under investigation? When will the charges be dropped against Spezi? Will police reopen the Sardinian trail investigation? Will they take another look at Antonio Vinci in light of the new information presented in the book? How can Mignini remain in office 'with all the charges against him? How can something like this happen in a civilized, Western European country? And finally: Will the families of the victims ever see justice?

We responded but had to disappoint them all. We have no answers to give.
 
Thanks for reviewing the book and the implications it had for the Knox case.
It's mind-boggling to say the least !
 
We read the book several years ago and when the Knox thing came out, we got a shiver down our spines when we read that Mignini/Carlizzi were involved once again!

Honestly, when you read that book, you almost cannot believe it: reality truly exceeds fiction! If I were to see such a movie, I would think that they are pushing it too far: the murders, the patsies, that Carlizzi succubus, the mentality, corruption and customs of Italy... But it's all actually true! Unbelievable!

It's a must read to understand the Knox case, indeed.

(I had to take breaks reading the book, the whole thing, and especially Carlizzi, was driving me up the walls! :lol:)
 
Here's a bit more from back in 2008. There are links at the end of this article that lead to other articles on the topic by the same author, Candace Dempsey.

Crime novelist Doug Preston on Meredith Kercher’s murder
By Candace Dempsey

Doug Preston is only too familiar with Judge Giuliano Mignini, the pubblico ministero (public prosecutor) holding UW honor student Amanda Knox, her boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede as suspects in the Nov. 1 murder of foreign exchange student Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy.

Preston is a journalist as well as a New York Times best-selling novelist and “student of crime.”

His newest work, The Monster of Florence, is a nonfiction tale about the infamous serial killer who plagued Florence during the 1970s and 1980s. Preston’s book about this killer, who was never caught, will hit stores in June.

Preston first encountered Mignini, one of the prosecutors in the Monster case, when he started researching the crime. Mignini didn’t appreciate Preston and his writing partner, Mario Spezi, poking into the facts. He had Spezi arrested and thrown into Capanne prison, where the three Meredith suspects are also housed, and accused him of being the Monster of Florence himself. Spezi has since been freed.

Preston was forced to leave Italy, an experience he recounts in The Monster of Florence.

“When I lived in Italy, I was the target of an investigation by Mignini in which he tapped my cell phone, bugged my writing partner’s car and hauled me down to Perugia for an interrogation,” Preston says. “He accused me of obstruction of justice, perjury, planting false evidence and even being an accessory to murder. I am still under indictment in Italy for a string of secret crimes.”

In a bizarre turnaround, Mignini himself is now on trial for abuse of office and conflict of interest, even though he continues to prosecute the Kercher case, as Corriere della Serra revealed on Jan. 18.

The Florentine prosecutor, Luca Turco, has accused Mignini of being ‘in thrall to a sort of delirium’ in his handling of the Monster case, in which he fantasized amazing and complex Satanic conspiracies,” says Preston. “I believe the same could be said of his handling of the Kercher case, that he is suffering from some kind of delirium.

Here Preston comments on the murder in Perugia as a crime writer, not a detective. The opinions expressed are his, ranging from the DNA analysis of key evidence to his take on Knox’s MySpace page and his comments on whether or not the cottage that Knox and Kercher shared was bleached after the killing.

His comments are “speculation, but informed speculation,” he says.

1. Who do you think killed Meredith Kercher?

This is a very simple rape and murder, to me obviously committed by this fellow Rudy Guede. All of the forensic evidence points toward him. He’s a man with a history of petty crime, an alleged drug dealer. I believe he is the culprit.

2. But the prosecution has claimed this was a “group action” with the three suspects engaged in an elaborate sex game, resisted by the victim.

Look, I write thrillers for a living. And in my thrillers the person you least expect is the guilty party. But in real life, it doesn’t work like that. There is no conspiracy here. In real life, murders are banal and obvious.

This case is no different than any other. I have seen the photos. This was a typical rape and murder scene. Sure, there will be loose ends.Even the most banal crimes have a puzzling element to them. No case ever adds up completely. People cannot expect that.

3. What do you think of Rudy’s story, that Meredith invited him in for consensual sex?

I am familiar with a number of actual cases of rape and murder. The rapist’s most common defense is ‘The victim and I had consensual sex. I left, somebody else came in and murdered the victim. I came back, saw what had happened, got scared and ran.’

Let me tell you, this is the pathetic lie they all tell. In this case Guede says he has sex and then goes into the bathroom and puts on an iPod and listens to music on the toilet. He claims someone else comes in and murders the victim. It was a small house, but he doesn’t hear the victim scream.

Well, you can still hear other sounds when you are wearing an iPod. You are going to hear a scream. When he finds her, does he help her, call the police, or call an ambulance, like any normal person would? No. He flees the country. Because, he says, he was afraid they would think he did it.

His entire story is, in my opinion, an obvious lie.

4. Do you think Amanda Knox played a role in the murder?

Amanda had absolutely nothing to do with the murder. The outpouring of abuse toward her is extremely disturbing. I am convinced she is innocent, and I cannot understand why there has been such a bloodthirsty rush to judgment.

The ugly anti-Americanism in the Italian and British press is perhaps understandable (although inexcusable), but why the same in America? Some of the comments posted in response to your blog verge on the psychotic.

5. How can you be so certain of her innocence?


Nobody can be completely certain in a criminal case, but the evidence is overwhelming that she had nothing to do with it. Absolutely not.

All the forensic evidence is weak against her. If you look at each supposedly damning detail, it all falls apart.

6. Give us some examples.

Let’s start with the knife that is supposed to have Amanda’s DNA and Meredith’s DNA on it. That is the one found in the boyfriend’s apartment. Well, Amanda handled all the knives in her boyfriend’s apartment, so her DNA is going to be on that knife.

Then there is that speck of DNA on the top of the blade that is supposed to be Meredith’s. But the Italian forensic lab says it has only a 20 percent probability of being hers. That is only one out of five.

So the police say, “Oh, the knife shows traces of bleach so it must have been washed to hide the crime.”

But in Italy, as in the U.S., many dishwashing detergents contain bleach. Hence the unsurprising discovery of bleach on the knife.

Another example: Amanda lived in that little house. Her DNA is everywhere. It is mingled in with everything. So any blood on a surface in the apartment has a good chance of mingling with her pre-existing DNA.

Finally, some of the crucial forensic evidence was gathered a month after the murder, when the murder scene had been unaccountably rearranged and spoiled by incompetent investigators.

7. Most reporters, especially in Italy and the U.K., put her in the center of events.

That is The Scarlet Letter all over again. That is the witch-hunt, The Crucible, the sick mob tendency to see somebody proclaimed guilty before there has even been a trial.

Many of these reporters, even in Knox’s hometown of Seattle, are simply rewriting and reporting what the Italian papers publish, which is based on information leaked from the prosecutor’s office. They might as well put Mignini’s byline on these articles for what they’re worth.

8. What’s your take on Knox’s MySpace page, which has created a sensation in the British and Italian tabloids?

She had a normal MySpace page. I looked at it and there was just nothing special about it, despite all the hype. It’s what you would expect of a college girl.

To me, she seems like a very nice girl. A really kind, wonderful girl. It is just so unlikely that a girl with no criminal past would commit that kind of crime. People like her almost never do.

When they do, they usually confess right away.

9. What about Raffaele Sollecito, the other suspect?


I looked at him and said right away, “This guy is not a killer. Are you kidding me?”

I think he is just as innocent as Amanda is. They are not protecting each other. They are innocent.

He seems like a perfectly normal nice Italian boy. He has not ever shown any sign of deviancy. He comes from a good family. He had a normal upbringing. He looks like a fine upstanding Italian ragazzo.

People like that very seldom kill people.

10. If the crime is so simple, then why is the prosecutor’s theory so complicated?

Giuliano Mignini is a prosecutor who just falls in love with conspiracy theories. Nothing is simple. Nothing is what it seems.

Let me give you an example of this. My co-writer Spezi and I believe the Monster of Florence is a lone psychopath. He killed seven couples, fourteen people. He mutilated the women and cut off their sex organs. Really horrifying.

A psychological profile prepared by the American FBI of the Monster stated that he is a lone killer. All the Italian forensic psychologists stated he was a lone killer. And all the evidence gathered at the crime scenes pointed to a single perpetrator.

But this is too simple for Mignini. He believes the Monster killings were the work not of a lone killer but a satanic sect dating back to the Middle Ages. His theory, based on nonexistent evidence, supposition and conspiracy logic, was that this sect was operating in high places in government and they needed female body parts to perform Black Masses.

All these conspiracy theories, they almost never happen in real life. And they do not happen to a girl like Amanda who has never been in trouble and had a normal life back in Seattle.

11. What do you make of Amanda changing her story? First she said she spent the entire night with Raffaele. After a long interrogation at the police station, sans lawyer, she said she was at the murder house, but stayed in the kitchen. When she heard Meredith screaming in the bedroom, she was so scared that she put her hands over her ears. Once she was in prison and had a lawyer present, she reverted to her original story.

Well, first of all, do not believe everything you read in the newspapers. You cannot trust anything coming out of Mignini’s office.

In the Monster case, prosecutors leaked evidence to the papers that turned out to be false. One of the cops working closely with Mignini on the Monster case was actually indicted for falsifying the tape of an interrogation.

There is a supposed seal of secrecy over the Kercher investigation, but that allows the prosecutor to leak selective things to the newspapers while preventing independent journalists from exploring alternative theories.

So that is my advice to people: Do not believe everything you read.

12. So you think Amanda was at her boyfriend’s when Meredith died?

Yes, I believe Amanda’s story that she was not there. She has been very consistent except for that one departure. Look, if she was in the house that night, she would have called the police. She would have done what any normal person would do in that situation.

It was only at that one point, after 14 hours of interrogation, that she seemed to waver and say she was in the house with her hands over her ears. If she did indeed waver.

You have no idea what it is like to be interrogated. It is a frightening experience. It is easy to break you down.

Mignini interrogated me for two hours, demanding I confess to a crime I did not commit, and it was terrifying. He is a powerful interrogator.

I could imagine what would happen to a 20-year-old who has been pressured for 14 hours. She could break down and say things, anything, just to stop the interrogation. They really browbeat you.

12. Prosecutors haven’t yet offered proof that Amanda even knew Rudy Guede, yet they contend the two exchanged phone calls before and after the murder. What do you make of that?

This is another “damning” piece of evidence leaked by the prosecutor’s office that I would ask readers to treat with great skepticism.

This detail, for example, contradicts other information, also apparently released by the prosecutor’s office, that Amanda and her boyfriend turned off their cell phones at 8:00 p.m.

Look through all the evidence leaked to the press and you will find many contradictions like this. As one distinguished judge said in the Monster of Florence case: “Half a clue plus half a clue does not equal a whole clue: it equals nothing!”

The prosecutor decided Knox was guilty and is now collecting the evidence against her, which, like the above, are all half-clues, carefully cherry-picked from the mass of evidence. This is not how a proper criminal investigation should proceed, as any homicide detective in the United States would tell you.

One other detail that American readers might like to know: in Italy, prosecutors are firmly in charge. They tell the police what to look for, where to go, what evidence to analyze, what evidence not to analyze. In America, the police work independently and are specifically trained in evidence gathering and criminal investigation.

In Italy, the police must do what the prosecutor tells them. As a result, many criminal investigations in Italy are botched by prosecutors who are judges, trained in the law, who have no background in criminal investigation, police work, or forensic science.

14. Police contend the cottage was bleached after the killing to remove evidence. What do you make of that?

Many common household cleaners and laundry detergents contain chlorine (also called bleach). If police chemists swept your house or mine for chlorine, they would find it almost everywhere. On the floors, in the bathroom, on windows, in the kitchen, on knives run through the dishwasher, in the laundry room, on your clothes!

In short, chlorine can be found on almost any surface that is regularly washed. It is a persistent and ubiquitous chemical which lasts a long time and doesn’t biodegrade. Those Italian police chemists are recovering chlorine in parts per million quantities.

The “house was bleached” statement is another deliberately misleading “clue” put forth by the prosecutors to make Knox look guilty, when they know perfectly well it would not stand up in court.

This is the Duke rape case all over again. I would urge your outraged readers, especially those shrill ones from the U.K., to calm themselves down and try to exercise what little critical faculties they possess.

15. Is Perugia a dangerous place in general?


No, not at all. I think that Meredith probably had an expectation of safety when she was walking home alone that night. Italians do in general. Not in Rome or Naples, maybe, but certainly in Tuscany and Umbria. People are out and about. They walk everywhere. They feel pretty safe.

16. What do you think is going to happen to Amanda?

I am concerned. I am deeply concerned. I think she may be kept in prison until her trial, and I think quite certainly she will be acquitted. This happens all the time in Italy. People get held in preventive detention as “dangerous criminals” and then are acquitted and set free.

I am afraid she is going to spend quite a bit of time in jail unless the Italian system comes to its senses and replaces Mignini with a prosecutor not suffering from prosecutorial “delirium.”

If it does, then she might get out early.

17. What about the other two suspects?

I think Guede acted on his own. The others are innocent.
 
More from Preston, last year, 2013:

Why Italy judges keep tormenting Knox
Douglas Preston 4:12 p.m. EDT March 31, 2013

Justice system, born in a police state, protects only itself. Defendants like Knox are just pawns.

Amanda Knox might have thought her long nightmare was over when her conviction for the murder in 2007 of her roommate, Meredith Kercher, was overturned in 2011. But this week Italy's Court of Cassation ordered her to be retried. Welcome to the Italian criminal justice system.

On what basis her acquittal was reversed will not be known until the court publishes its explanation within 90 days. All we know is that the new trial will take place in Florence, not Perugia where the murder took place, and it will address certain (again as yet unknown) points of law. It will probably not take place until October, and may last another year or more, with more appeals and reviews possible. Knox was 20 when she was charged with the killing.

Death of a roommate

Knox's long legal journey began on Nov. 6, 2007 when she and her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, were arrested in the killing of her roommate. They were held in jail for a year before being charged. They were convicted in late 2009 in a trial that lasted another year. Their appeal took two more years. The court of appeals acquitted them of murder in 2011, and they were released after spending 1,428 days in prison. As Knox returned home to Seattle, Italian prosecutors appealed the verdict to the Corte Suprema di Cassazione. This week the court vacated the acquittal and ordered a new trial.

Unfortunately, Knox's experience is not unique. In fact, approximately 50% of all criminal convictions in Italy are modified or reversed on appeal, leaving many ruined lives. Trials take years, judges sit on juries and tell them what to decide,juries are not sequestered, and prosecutors and police routinely violate judicial seal, that no information can be released about a person being officially investigated for a crime. Former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has been wrong about many things, but he recently aptly noted: "Ours is not a democracy, but a dictatorship of the judges."

The power of face

So what's going on with this latest Knox verdict? It is essentially a prosecutorial face-saving effort. Most Americans cannot even begin to comprehend the deep and pervasive power of face, la faccia, in Italian culture. Four days after the murder, before the crime scene had been analyzed, police and prosecutors announced they had arrested the three killers -- Knox, her boyfriend, and a third man. Over the following weeks, as the crime scene was analyzed, they realized that not one speck of Knox's DNA could be found at the crime scene. Instead they discovered the DNA of an unknown fourth person everywhere, including inside the victim. He was soon identified as a drifter and drug dealer named Rudy Guede, who had fled the country.

In the United States, the prosecutor and police would more likely have admitted their mistake, released Knox and Sollecito and arrested Guede. But not in Italy, where to do so would involve a catastrophic loss of face. Instead, they went to great lengths to yoke Guede, Knox and Sollecito in a murderous conspiracy. This is why a year passed before Knox was charged with murder: that was how long it took to "develop" the evidence against her. This last verdict is one more step in the face-saving process.

Niccolo' Capponi, a distinguished Florentine historian, who is deeply knowledgeable about the workings of the judiciary, told me this new decision is "a case of dare un colpo al cerchio ed uno alla botte" -- give a blow to the ring and one to the barrel. In other words, to satisfy everyone. Yes, the prosecution would get their retrial, but only on certain points. And the trial was moved to Florence, a decidedly unfriendly venue for the prosecution team, where Knox has the best chance of being acquitted.

Knox is not required to be present at her retrial. If she is convicted and the Italians try to extradite her, the State Department will likely refuse, on the basis of the double jeopardy clause in our Constitution.

Many Italians are well aware that their judicial system is dysfunctional. The Italian judiciary is a holdover from the Benito Mussolini era, when Italy was a police state. If you're arrested for a crime in Italy, unless you can prove your innocence, you are in serious trouble indeed. The honor of police and prosecutors must be upheld, and the system is heavily biased against the accused. This latest decision to retry Knox was more about the saving of face than about finding the truth.

Douglas Preston is the co-author, with Mario Spezi, of The Monster of Florence, to be published on April 23 with a new Afterword on the Amanda Knox case.

That last bit: "unless you can prove your innocence, you are in serious trouble indeed" is kind of the crux of the matter. Sometimes it is impossible to prove a negative. The more you protest your innocence, the more guilty they are convinced you are. The more proof you provide, the more they accuse you of just being smart and able to "create false evidence."

I tell ya, this whole thing is nuts. I hope Douglas Preston realizes that this sort of corrupt and dysfunctional legal system is now taking hold in the US at the very top via the "Patriot Act" and through the offices of the Department of Homeland Security. It is slowly, but inexorably, working its way down through our judicial system. It reminds me of the judges' trials at Nuremberg that was made into one heck of a movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_at_Nuremberg

I guess the best way to deal with the Amanda Knox case IS to make a movie.
 
Apparently Preston has contributed to a book about the Amanda Knox case:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-retrial-new-book-3092126
 
This is absolutely horrifying :O I actually do hope they make a movie with that Preston as the scriptwriter, so the whole world can know how completely backwards and dangerous the Italian judicial system really is.

I really do dislike their "furbo" pride... I hate that word! Some pull it to anybody trying to make a reasonable point, anyone using common sense or trying to make their rights or privacy respected.

You see, Douglas, an Italian must always appear to be furbo. You don't have an English equivalent for that marvelous word. It means a person who is wily and cunning, who knows which way the wind is blowing, who can fool you but never be fooled himself. Everyone in Italy wants to believe the worst of others so they don't end up looking gullible. Above all, they want to be seen as furbo.

And in trying to be "furbi", they are looking like the most imbecilic and paranoid culture among many around the world...
 
Gaby said:
This is absolutely horrifying :O I actually do hope they make a movie with that Preston as the scriptwriter, so the whole world can know how completely backwards and dangerous the Italian judicial system really is.

I really do dislike their "furbo" pride... I hate that word! Some pull it to anybody trying to make a reasonable point, anyone using common sense or trying to make their rights or privacy respected.

You see, Douglas, an Italian must always appear to be furbo. You don't have an English equivalent for that marvelous word. It means a person who is wily and cunning, who knows which way the wind is blowing, who can fool you but never be fooled himself. Everyone in Italy wants to believe the worst of others so they don't end up looking gullible. Above all, they want to be seen as furbo.

And in trying to be "furbi", they are looking like the most imbecilic and paranoid culture among many around the world...

Yup. It's that typical hubris of the pathological or pathologized individual. I actually think it rather relates to hystericization of society which is a consequence of habitual psychologials selection and substitution.

When the First World War broke out, young officers danced and sang on the streets of Vienna: “Krieg, Krieg, Krieg! Es wird ein schoener Krieg ...”. While visiting Upper Austria in 1978, I decided to drop in on the local parson, who was in his seventies by then. When I told him about myself, I suddenly realized he thought I was lying and inventing pretty stories. He subjected my statements to psychological analysis, based on this unassailable assumption and attempted to convince me that his morals were lofty. When I complained to a friend of mine about this, he was amused: “As a psychologist, you were extremely lucky to catch the survival of authentic Austrian talk (die oesterreichische Rede). We young ones have been incapable of demonstrating it to you even if we wanted to simulate it.”

In the European languages, “Austrian talk” has become the common descriptive term for paralogistic discourse. Many people using this term nowadays are unaware of its origin. Within the context of maximum hysterical intensity in Europe at the time, the authentic article represented a typical product of conversive thinking: subconscious selection and substitution of data leading to chronic avoidance of the crux of the matter. In the same manner, the reflex assumption that every speaker is lying is an indication of the hysterical anti-culture of mendacity, within which telling the truth becomes “immoral”.

That era of hysterical regression gave birth to the great war and the great revolution which extended into Fascism, Hitlerism, and the tragedy of the Second World War.
 
Perceval said:
treesparrow said:
What one of her prison guards thinks of her after 4 years of observations -

Meredith Kercher killer Amanda Knox is an ice maiden says her prison guard

http://www.sott.net/article/273068-Meredith-Kercher-killer-Amanda-Knox-is-an-ice-maiden-says-her-prison-guard

Yeah, the claims of the guard are kind of stupid. If Knox is innocent, how can she be expected to show remorse? Even expecting her to be shocked or traumatized for any significant length of time is unreasonable given that she only knew Kercher for a few weeks. I think Knox is a pretty strange young woman, very naive, almost 'simple-minded' in a certain sense, although she is clearly intelligent. Very hard to put a finger on what it is about her that is 'off'.

I think Amanda's held up as well as can be expected for someone who's gone from being a co-ed, a guest in a foreign country, to a hated scapegoat for banal, evil people.

She appears to me to be a broken china cup that's been glued together again, its still a china cup, but it can't sit level on a saucer anymore, and why would it?

The whole case makes me sick.
 
Gimpy said:
I think Amanda's held up as well as can be expected for someone who's gone from being a co-ed, a guest in a foreign country, to a hated scapegoat for banal, evil people.

She appears to me to be a broken china cup that's been glued together again, its still a china cup, but it can't sit level on a saucer anymore, and why would it?

The whole case makes me sick.

I agree. As I noted in my comments on the story, we've been exposed to SOME of the same stuff that Preston writes about including net defamation, false accusations, interrogations, harassment and definitely opprobrium from a small segment of the net/reading public, but NOTHING like Amanda Knox has gone through with international defamation and character assassination. Good lord! I can only barely imagine how she must have felt and still feels. That she held up as well as she did is a testament to something, though I'm not sure what. Maybe just plain American positivity: that right will prevail and things will work out in the end. Though I expect she is still in a kind of shock to realize that a place and culture she admired so much turned out to be so ugly at its foundations. It's heartbreaking when that happens, I know.

So, yeah, I think a movie definitely ought to be made about this and that slimeball, Mignini, portrayed as the psychopath of the piece. Of course, Gabriela Carlizzi is a real piece of work, too.
 
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