Ascorbic acid (vitamin C)

[Bobo08]

It's a 3kg bag of vitamin C, which I have used almost all so I don't think it's something in there. It could be related to the cold as Gaby mentioned.

Judging by the response here, it seems that it's not a common occurrence anyway so I'll keep the same mega-dose protocol the next time I fall sick.

 

[Thebull]

I'm starting to experiment with supplementing absorbic acid this week I've read the thread and just wanted advice from anyone if possible to see if on the right track.

I've only started this week and I've been having a level teaspoon on a morning and and another on an evening a couple of hours before bed. After reading the thread If I understand correctly you need to find the correct dosage level.

So today I've been taking a level teaspoon every hour or so to try and establish my tolerance level. I've has 5 teaspoons with no effect on my stomach so I will keep going. My question is if my body can take that amount is that the level I should be supplementing with on a daily basis and increased dosage if illness starts?

I also take a liquid magnesium supplement and from what I've gathered this shouldn't be taken at the same time as the Vitamen c?

The brand I bought is below it did state it was non go.

Classikool Ascorbic Acid Highest Grade 100% Vitamin C Pharma Grade Pure Powder

any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Goemon_]

Thebull, as far as I remember my first experiment with ascorbic acid few years ago, it is better to start with a low dose of 3 gr a day during three days and then increase to 6 gr for the next three days and then increase to 9 gr, etc. I did that, but at some point I have increase the dose more quickly and I had some gas with a so much bad smell that you certainly don't want to have them in public.

Later I had a cold and I did test my tolerance taking 3 gr every 20 minutes or so to know my daily tolerance. But as far as I understand it it is better to be accustom to the product before doing that.

Also note that I wasn't into a ketogenic diet at the time. As ascorbic acid compete with sugar you will need very lesser doses if you are on a low carb diet.

Another thing is that ascorbic acid is quickly eliminated from the body so it is best to take at least 3 doses a day and the optimal is to take doses every 3 or 4 hours during all over the day.

 

[riclapaz]

Yes, I have understood that the idea of taking it along of the day, it is in order to maintain constant blood, it is also important to remember that you have to take away from food, because it can increase iron absorption, tolerance It may vary, depending on the needs of the body, if you are going through an illness or problem, how much you can tolerate be surprised, when I can not sleep my hours of sleep, a little vitamin C, along the day, helps me a lot, I think it is related to the aid in the adrenal glands, if I'm not mistaken, is a supplement of great help . :)

 

[hlat]

So today I've been taking a level teaspoon every hour or so to try and establish my tolerance level. I've has 5 teaspoons with no effect on my stomach so I will keep going. My question is if my body can take that amount is that the level I should be supplementing with on a daily basis and increased dosage if illness starts?

My understanding is that the procedure for taking vitamin C until you reach tolerance, is not for supplementing on a daily basis, but rather it is for treating an illness.

Also, I don't think a teaspoon per hour until tolerance is the best procedure. You may want to look through this thread again for a better procedure, which should be closer to a teaspoon every 30 minutes.

 

[3DStudent]

I'd also advise to use a straw for drinking it too, especially if you have sensitive teeth. All that acid on your teeth over a long period of time may not be the best thing. You can put half the amount of baking soda to neutralize it and I think it becomes Sodium Ascorbate basically. Also, if you're really trying to treat an illness, you can take your normal oral power Vitamin C, and then some Liposomal Vitamin C to greatly boost your blood levels of what you can take in orally. Just remember to be aware that it will increase iron absorption so between meals is best. Fwiw.

 

[Thebull]

So today I've been taking a level teaspoon every hour or so to try and establish my tolerance level. I've has 5 teaspoons with no effect on my stomach so I will keep going. My question is if my body can take that amount is that the level I should be supplementing with on a daily basis and increased dosage if illness starts?

My understanding is that the procedure for taking vitamin C until you reach tolerance, is not for supplementing on a daily basis, but rather it is for treating an illness.

Also, I don't think a teaspoon per hour until tolerance is the best procedure. You may want to look through this thread again for a better procedure, which should be closer to a teaspoon every 30 minutes.

ill have to read the thread again the hiat. I was aware of increasing the dosage for illness but I thought I would supplement it daily to improve my health. so I've misunderstood somewhere along the line! Any advice would be appreciated.

I'd also advise to use a straw for drinking it too, especially if you have sensitive teeth. All that acid on your teeth over a long period of time may not be the best thing. You can put half the amount of baking soda to neutralize it and I think it becomes Sodium Ascorbate basically. Also, if you're really trying to treat an illness, you can take your normal oral power Vitamin C, and then some Liposomal Vitamin C to greatly boost your blood levels of what you can take in orally. Just remember to be aware that it will increase iron absorption so between meals is best. Fwiw.

I was aware of the problems caused with teeth and I'm swilling my mouth with water after taking it. I will look into the iron absorption in more detail as I need to understand what would happen if that was the case.

 

[Beau]

So today I've been taking a level teaspoon every hour or so to try and establish my tolerance level. I've has 5 teaspoons with no effect on my stomach so I will keep going. My question is if my body can take that amount is that the level I should be supplementing with on a daily basis and increased dosage if illness starts?

My understanding is that the procedure for taking vitamin C until you reach tolerance, is not for supplementing on a daily basis, but rather it is for treating an illness.

Yeah, no reason to take it until you reach tolerance unless you're ill. Supplementing vitamin C daily is good for boosting the immune system. Nothing wrong with that, but no reason to take it until you reach bowel tolerance.

 

[Thebull]

So today I've been taking a level teaspoon every hour or so to try and establish my tolerance level. I've has 5 teaspoons with no effect on my stomach so I will keep going. My question is if my body can take that amount is that the level I should be supplementing with on a daily basis and increased dosage if illness starts?

My understanding is that the procedure for taking vitamin C until you reach tolerance, is not for supplementing on a daily basis, but rather it is for treating an illness.

Yeah, no reason to take it until you reach tolerance unless you're ill. Supplementing vitamin C daily is good for boosting the immune system. Nothing wrong with that, but no reason to take it until you reach bowel tolerance.

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[Ruth]

Hi, I've found that YouTube is an interesting source of information on Vitamin C, especially from Dr Suzanne Humphries and Dr Thomas Levy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0LLX0sgwAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpptUsJFCEY

I've had some success with controlling chronic throat infections (which weirdly seems to coincide with a 'blocked' throat chakra) and chest pain.

From my source of Vitamin C, there seems to be more than one type. Ascorbic acid and Sodium Ascorbate. Maybe it's a bit like Magnesium, which seems to come in a variety of forms with various bio-availabilities.

 

[monotonic]

Sodium Ascorbate is what was just mentioned when you mix baking soda with ascorbic acid. It becomes sodium ascorbate. But part of the healing power of AA is that it is acidic, so has extra molecular charge. So when it becomes sodium ascorbate it's not so powerful. That is what I read anyway, I don't know of any experiments which have explained exactly how that works.

I know of the dangers of drinking AA straight. Some of my teeth started cracking apart. In my case it was only a catalyst for ongoing neglect however. I don't recommend using a straw, I tried it and it doesn't really work. If it gets into your throat, it's going to get to your teeth one way or another. I rinse my mouth out with salt or baking soda.

 

[beetlemaniac]

I was sent this presentation on debunking the traditional theory of arteriosclerosis. Dr. Hart explains how arteriosclerosis is caused due to the weakness of arterial walls from a lack of micronutrients. He speaks on the scurvy angle and vitamin c deficiency as being the main issue, as humans cannot endogenously produce this vitamin. I appreciated the explanation on the apo(a) molecule being a mobile repair unit that goes on overdrive depositing plaques during extended bouts of scurvy.

However, other causes of injury to arteries such as inflammation from autoimmune disorders and glycation from excessive sugar were not covered.

http://youtu.be/O0lEmXJD7p4

 

[MusicMan]

My understanding is that the procedure for taking vitamin C until you reach tolerance, is not for supplementing on a daily basis, but rather it is for treating an illness.

Also, I don't think a teaspoon per hour until tolerance is the best procedure. You may want to look through this thread again for a better procedure, which should be closer to a teaspoon every 30 minutes.

ill have to read the thread again the hiat. I was aware of increasing the dosage for illness but I thought I would supplement it daily to improve my health. so I've misunderstood somewhere along the line! Any advice would be appreciated.

I'd also advise to use a straw for drinking it too, especially if you have sensitive teeth. All that acid on your teeth over a long period of time may not be the best thing. You can put half the amount of baking soda to neutralize it and I think it becomes Sodium Ascorbate basically. Also, if you're really trying to treat an illness, you can take your normal oral power Vitamin C, and then some Liposomal Vitamin C to greatly boost your blood levels of what you can take in orally. Just remember to be aware that it will increase iron absorption so between meals is best. Fwiw.

I was aware of the problems caused with teeth and I'm swilling my mouth with water after taking it. I will look into the iron absorption in more detail as I need to understand what would happen if that was the case.
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Hello Thebull, recently I made up some liposomal Vitamin C, and took it.
A few days ago I had some blood work done, and it showed high Ferritin levels, so it looks like the above statement is true.

 

[Gaby]

I was aware of increasing the dosage for illness but I thought I would supplement it daily to improve my health.

Usual maintaining dose is around 4 grams per day, although some on the keto diet tolerate much less. I'm not sure if it is a good idea if you have high ferritin levels though. You might want to decant and/or do EDTA first.

I was sent this presentation on debunking the traditional theory of arteriosclerosis. Dr. Hart explains how arteriosclerosis is caused due to the weakness of arterial walls from a lack of micronutrients. He speaks on the scurvy angle and vitamin c deficiency as being the main issue, as humans cannot endogenously produce this vitamin. I appreciated the explanation on the apo(a) molecule being a mobile repair unit that goes on overdrive depositing plaques during extended bouts of scurvy.

However, other causes of injury to arteries such as inflammation from autoimmune disorders and glycation from excessive sugar were not covered.

Chlamydia and mycoplasma species are also involved on atherosclerosis. Chronic persistent infections are more problematic and a causative factor than people would like to admit, as explained in "Plague Time" by Paul Ewald.

 

[Kosma]

I was about to start making liposomal Vit C at home, but I have to mention about some doubts regarding ascorbic acid particles being encapsulated in such home made product. One of the vitC polish fans made some experiments in that matter and went to conclusion that what we really get is in fact a homogenic colloid with high content of vitamin C but without liposomes. It seems that its impossible to produce liposomes without high power industrial equipment as livonlabs does. Author has used a titration method for analysis as showed on his video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amSyECZ3_ms
I'm not a specialist in chemistry but this experiment looks very reliable. I dont have time right now to fully translate it, but this video should be understandable anyway.

Nevertheless - as author Tomasz Mróz suggests, what we get is a useful mixture too. The presence of lecithin serves as protection for our bowels when absorbing high doses of vitC and helps to avoid poor sensations in our guts. Therefore, there is no need to produce it in a painstakingly way - we wont change quality of our liquid too much.

Beside that, I'd like to post link to older Tomasz' video - it's his how-to-make show. He modified a bit a recipe from www.qualityliposomalc.com :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiTa7D41HCQ

I wonder what do You think about using alkocol as preservative, so our mixture can stay even few months in a fridge, instead of a week max?