Gaby said:
Artemisinin is in the news nowadays, because its creator received a Nobel prize. What I found interesting, that she based the creation of her drug on ancient remedies.
AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?
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Artemisinin is in the news nowadays, because its creator received a Nobel prize. What I found interesting, that she based the creation of her drug on ancient remedies.
Keit said:
That is fascinating.
For the time being, I found a real cheap bag of artemisia herbs. I'm going to prepare a tea and add some glycinate as a sweetener.
It seems that toxo-like parasites (other than malarial types) are also sensitive to the herb. I'll try to keep that in mind if the tea doesn't taste good ;)
Gaby said:
It doesn't. :( Artemisia is one of the bitter herbs, like golden seal. But it works like a champ so hold your nose and gulp it down.
The dried plant was burned as an air purifier too.
herondancer said:It doesn't. :( Artemisia is one of the bitter herbs, like golden seal. But it works like a champ so hold your nose and gulp it down.
Thank you for the heads up.
In that case, I'll add some extra ginger.
Thought I would report that I've finished the protocol and have moved to just taking herbal/vitamin/mineral supplements and things that break down/prevent biofilms.
Since I began taking the high doses of arginine, then adding high doses of glycine/NAC, I noticed that the flashes I was having in my eyes disappeared. Haven't seen one in a couple of weeks.
Am I "cured"? Well, I guess we'll see. I'm going to wait a month and then do a metro challenge to see if anything reacts.
One thing I do want to say: this was a miserable, even brutal, course of meds. But if it works, it is probably worth it in serious conditions. But believe me, you want to have a serious condition to justify doing it! Otherwise, I think the herbals might be the way to go! Also, there is the cost factor. For us, here, it wasn't that expensive because the meds are pretty cheap in our region. But for those in the US, trying to do this on your own dime is pretty costly.
For the entire 6 months you need (cost is fludan's):
75 grams of metronidazole = $178.
720 grams of hydroxychloroquine = @ $502 per 100 grams - about $3514.
90 grams of doxycycline = $250. {corrected, see my post below}
1 BU Nystatin = $227.
So, for a single individual, it's$5359. $4169. And that's if you don't add in the other, rotating antibiotics such as Azithromycin and amoxicillin or something comparable.
The bottom line is: without a doctor, insurance, cheap meds, etc, it simply isn't practical for most people. It's not something you can start and then just quit if you run out of money, or you need to switch antibiotics. That could be more harmful to your health than just leaving it alone. So the better option might be to just do the herbals with some nystatin. Yes, you probably would have to do them for a year or longer, but that's not such a bad thing.
I was reading a book about biofilms - "Combating Biofilms: Why Your Antibiotics and Antifungals Fail: Solutions for Lyme Disease, Chronic Sinusitis, Pneumonia, Yeast Infections, Wounds, Ear ... Bad Breath, Cystic Fibrosis and Implants" - and he mentions a lot of interesting things including the fact that xylitol, erythritol, NAC and other things, actively break down biofilms. That might be why some people have such a "gassy" reaction to them. A lot of interesting data in there.
It's hard to say exactly how I feel yet because I think I really broke things down during the protocol. There just wasn't any time or space to take any good mineral supplements because minerals are said to interfere with the antibiotics, so I just set them aside mostly for the duration and now I'm busy remineralizing.
Can't stress enough the benefits of arginine and glycine/NAC along with Vitamin C and B complex. They really kept me going.
Since I began taking the high doses of arginine, then adding high doses of glycine/NAC, I noticed that the flashes I was having in my eyes disappeared. Haven't seen one in a couple of weeks.
Am I "cured"? Well, I guess we'll see. I'm going to wait a month and then do a metro challenge to see if anything reacts.
One thing I do want to say: this was a miserable, even brutal, course of meds. But if it works, it is probably worth it in serious conditions. But believe me, you want to have a serious condition to justify doing it! Otherwise, I think the herbals might be the way to go! Also, there is the cost factor. For us, here, it wasn't that expensive because the meds are pretty cheap in our region. But for those in the US, trying to do this on your own dime is pretty costly.
For the entire 6 months you need (cost is fludan's):
75 grams of metronidazole = $178.
720 grams of hydroxychloroquine = @ $502 per 100 grams - about $3514.
90 grams of doxycycline = $250. {corrected, see my post below}
1 BU Nystatin = $227.
So, for a single individual, it's
The bottom line is: without a doctor, insurance, cheap meds, etc, it simply isn't practical for most people. It's not something you can start and then just quit if you run out of money, or you need to switch antibiotics. That could be more harmful to your health than just leaving it alone. So the better option might be to just do the herbals with some nystatin. Yes, you probably would have to do them for a year or longer, but that's not such a bad thing.
I was reading a book about biofilms - "Combating Biofilms: Why Your Antibiotics and Antifungals Fail: Solutions for Lyme Disease, Chronic Sinusitis, Pneumonia, Yeast Infections, Wounds, Ear ... Bad Breath, Cystic Fibrosis and Implants" - and he mentions a lot of interesting things including the fact that xylitol, erythritol, NAC and other things, actively break down biofilms. That might be why some people have such a "gassy" reaction to them. A lot of interesting data in there.
It's hard to say exactly how I feel yet because I think I really broke things down during the protocol. There just wasn't any time or space to take any good mineral supplements because minerals are said to interfere with the antibiotics, so I just set them aside mostly for the duration and now I'm busy remineralizing.
Can't stress enough the benefits of arginine and glycine/NAC along with Vitamin C and B complex. They really kept me going.
Thanks for that summary, Laura. Seems it was one heck of an experience for 6 months. I'm "keeping my fingers crossed" to hear at some point that you are MUCH better than when you started out. Keep up the supplements/herbs that have shown benefits....
I want to make a correction on the doxycycline dose. Dosage depends on weight. Average dose would be 200 mg 2X a day. I took 300 mg in the mornings and 200 mg in the evenings for a total of 1 gram every two days. So that would have been 90 grams for 6 months. The cost for 100 grams is $250. So knock $1190 off the doxycycline cost. Makes a bit of difference.
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Thank you very much, Laura. Very glad that you have completed the protocol! :)Laura said:
Good to know that there is an alternative to antibiotics. In my case the money is not the problem, but finding a doctor who does not think that this therapy is crazy. I hope there is a herbal solution for those who do not have access to a physician with knowledge about this.
By the way, I have also flashes in the eyes. I did a examination of the optic nerves, and everything was normal. This does not mean much, since I've read that the tests usually come normal with lyme.
