Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Vaccines

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I think that is good advice snow. The more I've read on the subject, the more I realise that there is a great deal of emotional manipulation going on here, and the only way through it is going to be by level headed observation and clever application of knowledge.....

I did have one theory regarding forced vaccination (f there was no other choice left and I had to go through with it), would be to try and un-inject the vaccine (draw it out) using a syringe.....honestly having very little medical knowledge and general phobia of syringes this idea really doesn't appeal to me, but there it is. You get ticked as 'vaccinated' but get to remove some of it?? That's the bit I'm not sure about...weather it'd draw out any or not

But even this is Black and White thinking, which is not going to be what helps/gets us through it in the end. If we are paying attention we should be able to avoid problems by seeing them coming before hand, networking if unsure as to what exactly to do, and applying the principles of free will and strategic enclosures.

So are there any other examples in history we can use to work out ways through tricky/forced situations should it actually come down to being forced (and so far its only talk...mostly, although they are trying to 'force it' with the nurses). Forced conscription during WW1/WW2 perhaps?

Perhaps its not that simple either....perhaps the answer to this will be far more complex and 'open' than any of us can come up with until the right 'time'.
 
RedFox said:
I did have one theory regarding forced vaccination (f there was no other choice left and I had to go through with it), would be to try and un-inject the vaccine (draw it out) using a syringe.....honestly having very little medical knowledge and general phobia of syringes this idea really doesn't appeal to me, but there it is. You get ticked as 'vaccinated' but get to remove some of it?? That's the bit I'm not sure about...weather it'd draw out any or not

i guess better solution, in place of syringe, would be to use a cupping glass. safer, less drastic and less scary. if the vaccine is administered intramuscularily, it can extract at least a part of it from the body.
 
Here in NYC a friend of mine in the health care business said his company is making every employee get the shot according to NY state's law however he said many are questioning it. A lot of employees are refusing and some others are questioning why certain clients such as elderly people that can't leave their homes should get it. Some don't seem to think that these elderly people would survive a vaccine shot especially if they end up getting the flu from it. It would be like bringing death to their door he said.

I also heard on the local tv channel this morning (I believe it was NY1 on Time-Warner cable) that the schools are going to start sending out permission forms to the parents. So thankfully it doesn't look like the children will be forced to take the shot although they highly recommend it or course.
 
Here in Canada Quebec they are not pushing people to take it but they highly advise to do it .

I asked my friend who is working as a nurse if the stuff was pushed to take the shot ....he said no , nobody really talks about it .
This is weird ! ...how come all you hear on the news is: vaccine this , vaccine that ..and then the hospital doesn't really talk about it ... hammm .

I then thought ; what if they keep silent until the last second and then they come and say to all ...okai, listen people this has to be done quick for you own benefit and those of others ..blalala... and in the end what they would do is give as little time as possible so they don't have any to think and are kind a pushed to focus only on the benefits of the vaccine...doctors know , doctors want what is good for us.. :evil:

I have warned my friend of a possible scenario and advise him to inform himself about the shot ...sadly , he doesn't really care.. :cry:
 
andi said:
Here in Canada Quebec they are not pushing people to take it but they highly advise to do it .

Maybe you do not know it, but the law is ready for that.

Look here: _http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/S_2_2/S2_2.html

and read the articles going from 118 to 126.

May i tell you that this law was not effective a couple of months ago.
 
An article was posted on Mercola's site today that offers 9 reasons why you shouldn't let your child get the flu vaccine. It was also connected to Treatment for Toxic Vaccine Exposure provided by shijing. Since it references the article below, I thought I'd provide Mercola's original source:

[quote author=Bill Sardi]

Eighteen Reasons Why You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children Against The Flu This Season

by Bill Sardi

This year it is more important that you protect your children and loved ones from the flu vaccines than influenza itself. Here are the reasons:

1. This flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly. In fact, the H1N1 swine flu in circulation is less deadly than many other influenza outbreaks. The first 1000 confirmed swine flu cases in Japan and China produced zero deaths. The Centers for Disease Control alleges 36,000 Americans succumb to the flu each year, but so far, since March through August of 2009 (6 months), the swine flu has been attributed to ~500–600 deaths in the US. The swine flu of 2009 has already swept through the Southern Hemisphere’s flu season without alarm. Only exaggerated reports have been issued by the World Health Organization regarding hospitalizations required during the flu season in South American countries. Getting exposed to influenza and developing natural antibodies confers resistance for future flu outbreaks. Artificially boosting antibodies by exposure to flu viruses in vaccines is more problematic than natural exposure. Americans have been exposed to the H1N1 swine flu throughout the summer of 2009 with far fewer deaths and hospitalizations than commonly attributed to the seasonal flu.

2. Health authorities tacitly admit prior flu vaccination programs were of worthless value. This is the first time both season and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. Very young children and older frail adults, the high-risk groups in the population, may not produce sufficient antibodies in response to the flu vaccine. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. The same people who brought you the ineffective vaccines in past years are bringing you this year’s new vaccines. Can you trust them this time?

3. In addition to failure to produce sufficient antibodies, this swine flu vaccine is brought to you by the same people who haven’t been able to adequately produce a seasonal flu vaccine that matches the flu strain in circulation. In recent years flu vaccination has been totally worthless because the strains of the flu in circulation did not match the strain of the virus in the vaccines. Authorities claim the prevalent flu strain in circulation in mid-September ’09 is the H1N1 swine flu, which appears to be milder than past seasonal influenza in circulation. If this data is correct, why receive the season flu shot this year?

4. The vaccines will be produced by no less than four different manufacturers, possibly with different additives (called adjuvants) and manufacturing methods. The two flu inoculations may be derived from a multi-dose vial and in a crisis, and in short supply, it will be diluted to provide more doses and then adjuvants must be added to trigger a stronger immune response. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Would you permit your children to be injected with lead? Lead is very harmful to the brain. Then why would you sign a consent form for your kids to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead? Injecting mercury may fry the brains of American kids.

5. This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. Mock vaccines are made to gain approval of the manufacturing method and then the prevalent virus strain in circulation is added just days before it is actually placed into use. Don’t subject your children to experimental vaccines. Yes, these vaccines have been tested on healthy kids and adults, but they are not the same vaccines your children will be given. Those children with asthma, allergies, type I diabetes, etc. are at greater risk for side effects. Children below the age of 2 years do not have a sufficient blood–brain barrier developed and are subject to chronic brain infections that emanate into symptoms that are called autism. Toddlers should not be subjected to injected viruses.

6. Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. This means a little bit of disease is being injected into young children continually during their most formative years! Veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.

7. Health officials want to vaccinate women during pregnancy, subjecting the fetal brain to an intentional biological assault. A recent study showed exposure flu viruses among women during pregnancy provoke a similar gene expression pattern in the fetus as that seen in autistic children. This is a tacit admission that vaccines, which inject a little bit of influenza into humans, causes autism.

8. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated. Beware the falsehoods of modern medicine.

9. School kids are likely to receive nasally-administered vaccines (Flu-Mist) that require no needle injection. But this form of live vaccine produces viral shedding which will surely be transmitted to family members. What a way to start an epidemic!

10. This triple reassortment virus appears to be man made. The H1N1 swine flu virus of 2009 coincidentally appeared in Mexico on the same week that President Nicolas Sarkozy of France visited Mexican president Felipe Calderon, to announce that France intends to build a multi-million dollar vaccine plant in Mexico. An article written by Ron Maloney of the Seguin, Texas Gazette-Enterprise newspaper announces a "rehearsal for a pandemic disaster" scheduled for May 2, 2009. The article says: "Guadalupe County emergency management and their counterparts around the country are preparing for just such a scenario…" This means county health authorities across the U.S. had been preparing a rehearsal for mass vaccinations prior to the announced outbreak in Mexico. Virologists admit this part swine flu/part avian flu/part human flu virus must have taken time to develop. But it somehow wasn’t detected by hundreds of flu monitoring stations across the globe. On April 24, 2009 Dr. John Carlo, Dallas County Medical Director, alludes that the H1N1 strain of the Swine flu as possibly being engineered in a laboratory. He says: "This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratory is something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified." (Globe & Mail, Canada)

11. Recall the swine flu scare of 1976. In a politically charged atmosphere where Gerald Ford was seeking election to the Presidency, the swine flu suddenly appeared at a military base. Vaccine was produced and millions of Americans were vaccinated. But the vaccine was worse than the disease, causing hundreds of cases of Guillain Barre syndrome and a few deaths. In a replay of the past, the White House is directly involved in promoting the H1N1 2009 swine flu vaccine. The federal government will use federal funds to pay off schools to administer vaccines, promote vaccination via highway billboards and TV advertisements, and conduct military-style mass inoculations in such rapid fashion that if side effects occur, it will be too late. The masses will have been vaccinated already. Over $9 billion has been allotted by the federal government to develop and deliver an unproven and experimental flu vaccine. Don’t be a guinea pig for the government.

12. Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain. US health authorities want 70% of the public to be vaccinated against the flu this ’09 season, which is more than double the vaccination percentage of any prior flu season. This would certainly apply greater genetic pressure for the flu to mutate into a more virulent strain.

13. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu. According to data provided by the Centers for Disease Control, among 1148 seasonal flu samples tested, 1143 (99.6%) were resistant to Tamiflu!

14. As the flu season progresses the federal government may coerce or mandate Americans to undergo vaccination. France has already ordered enough vaccine to inoculate their entire population and has announced that vaccination will be mandatory. The US appears to be waiting to announce mandatory vaccination at a later date when it can scare the public into consenting to the vaccine. The federal government is reported to be hiring people to visit homes of unvaccinated children. This sounds like the Biblical account of Pharaoh attempting to eradicate all the young Israelite baby boys. Must we hide our babies now?

15. Public health authorities have cried wolf every flu season to get the public to line up for flu shots. Health authorities repeatedly publish the bogus 36,000 annual flu-related deaths figure to scare the public into getting flu shots. But that figure is based on the combined deaths from pneumonia in the elderly and the flu. Maybe just 5000–6000 or so flu-related deaths occur annually, mostly among individuals with compromised immune systems, the hospitalized, individuals with autoimmune disease or other health problems. As stated above, the swine flu in full force has only resulted in ~500–600 deaths in the first six months in circulation and it is far more dreaded by public health authorities than the seasonal flu. The Centers for Disease Control issues a purchase order for flu vaccines and then serves as the public relations agency to get the public to pay for the vaccines. Out of a population of 325 million Americans, only 100 million doses of flu vaccine have been administered each year and no epidemic has erupted among the unvaccinated.

16. The news media is irresponsible in stirring up unfounded fear over this coming flu season. Just exactly how ethical is it for newspapers to publish reports that a person has died of the swine flu when supposedly thousands die of the flu annually? In the past the news media hasn’t chosen to publicize each and every flu-related death, but this time it has chosen to frighten the public. Why? Examine the chart below. The chart shows that the late flu season of 2009 peaked in week 23 (early June) and has dissipated considerably.

While every childhood flu-related death should be considered tragic, and the number of flu-related pediatric deaths in 2009 is greater than prior flu seasons as a percentage, in real numbers it is not a significant increase.

According to data provided by the Centers for Disease Control, for week 34 ending August 29, 2009, there were 236 hospitalizations and 37 deaths related to the flu. That would represent just 5 hospitalizations and less than one death per State, which is "below the epidemic threshold."

17. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease where the lungs fill up with fluid and literally drown a flu-infected person. The only plausible explanation as to why the flu season typically peaks in winter months is a deficiency of sunlight-produced vitamin D. Protect your family. Arm your immune system with vitamins and trace minerals.

18. Will we ever learn if the flu vaccine this year is deadly in itself? In 1993 the federal government hid a deadly flu vaccine that killed thousands of nursing home patients. It was the first year that flu shots were paid for by Medicare. The vaccine-related mortality was so large that this set back the life expectancy of Americans for the first time since the 1918 Spanish flu! Mortality reports take a year or two to tabulate and the federal government may choose not to reveal the true mortality rate and whether it was related to the flu or the vaccines. You say this couldn’t happen? It did in 1993!

September 16, 2009[/quote]

Referenced by: "Do NOT Let Your Child Get Flu Vaccine -- 9 Reasons Why" _http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/06/Why-You-Should-NOT-Vaccinate-Your-Children-Against-the-Flu-This-Season.aspx
 
[quote author=Bill Sardi]
1. This flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.
[/quote]

This is probably the top reason why most people do not want to take the flu vaccine at the moment. However, if the PTB release a more deadly form of flu in the next few months, that can change completely. In fact, I think a few hundred deaths drummed up by the media can create a wide spread panic and make most people willing to take the shot. After that, the military/police just need to round up the few more informed ones who are still holding out.

Therefore, I think when talking about the flu vaccine, maybe it should be emphasized that one should not take it because the vaccine is harmful in itself, not just because it is not needed. If the flu becomes deadly, it is all the more reason NOT to take the vaccine.
 
Bobo08 said:
Therefore, I think when talking about the flu vaccine, maybe it should be emphasized that one should not take it because the vaccine is harmful in itself, not just because it is not needed. If the flu becomes deadly, it is all the more reason NOT to take the vaccine.

This showed up in my inbox today. The article is written by Kevin D. Annett who is a former priest, now turned activist fighting against aboriginal genocide in Canada. I'm not sure how reliable this information is as I only just encountered this today. I've left some of Annett's references at the bottom of the article.

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See:

Preparing for the Real Pandemic

by Kevin D. Annett, M.A., M.Div.


Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their "routine" sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being deliberately targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada. Indeed, it's how we Europeans "won the land", and it's one of the ways we keep it.

In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.

In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children to smallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along the Fraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church's actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on
Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die "with bloated up bodies and scabs all over", to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it's not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots. After all, it's still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it's small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines.

As an entire race of involuntary test subjects, Indians in Canada are a weather vane for what will befall all of us, and very soon. For the very techniques and weapons of genocide perfected against aboriginal people are now being deployed against "mainstream" Canadians.

Under Bill C-6, which is about to pass third reading in Parliament and become the law, no Canadian will be allowed to refuse innoculations for the swine flu, despite the fact that it is relatively benign and mild, and has killed only people who are already immune-compromised. Indeed, it is astounding that such coercion and dictatorial laws are being employed to deal with what the chief Canadian Health Officer has called a "mild seasonal flu".

Clearly, another agenda is at work; but the time to ascertain and challenge that agenda has all but run out. This coming month, forced innoculations and imprisonment of those who refuse them may be a reality across Canada. And for what reason? Clearly, not for public health, considering the sickness and death caused by previous swine flu vaccines.

I believe that the real pandemic is about to be unleashed through the very vaccines being pushed by governments and pharmaceutical giants like Novartis and Glaxo Smith Kline. The shots will be the cause, not the cure, of the pandemic. Of course, those in power can disprove this by simply being the first people to take the swine flu shot: an event about as likely as these companies forgoing the multi-billion dollar profits they will reap from the mass vaccinations.

It's indeed ironic that, very soon, many "white" Canadians may be suffering the same fate that aboriginal people have for centuries. Perhaps it's fitting. For if we are indeed being targeted for extermination, or at the least martial law and dictatorship, we finally can have the chance to shed our complicity in the genocide of other people, and get on the right side of humanity - simply by having to fight the system that is causing mass murder.

...............................................................................................

Rev. Kevin D. Annett
260 Kennedy St.
Nanaimo, BC Canada V9R 2H8
250-753-3345
_www.hiddenfromhistory.org

Kevin Annett is a community minister, educator and award-winning film maker who lives and works with aboriginal and low income people in Vancouver and Nanaimo, BC.

Read and Hear the truth of Genocide in Canada, past and present, at this website: _www.hiddenfromhistory.org

Film Trailer to Kevin's award-winning documentary film UNREPENTANT:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HB5cbKHDU&feature=related

I looked to see if anything is being mentioned in the mainstream press, if just to see the spin on it, and found this _http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/bc-reserve-hit-by-first-outbreak-of-the-fall-flu-season-experts-say/article1292296/. Sure enough, the mainstream press is reporting the Ahousaht situation as an "outbreak", saying "H1N1 started in British Columbia with an individual who arrived from Mexico back in April. It has not left us."
A version of the above article I found on line (_http://www.republicoflakotah.com/2009/the-mask-slips-for-those-with-eyes-to-see-preparing-for-the-real-pandemic/) is dated September 19. The Globe and Mail article, posted 10 days later, says the flu there was "mild", suggesting Annett's article is a bit of an over-reaction implying that the inoculations are going to "fatal". None the less, it's interesting that the MSM made no mention of Tamiflu inoculations preceding the outbreak.
 
I happen to be reading 'Bringers of the Dawn' currently and had a thought about this vaccine. The Pleiadians speak about how the Cosmic Rays beaming down on us are actually activating our DNA which is what we need to be able to evolve. I'm not that far thru the book but it seems like Cosmic Rays activate our DNA opening Chakra centers which in turn allows more information to enter us and helps us to be able to evolve. osit.

So my thought was what if the vaccine is just designed to screw up our DNA more so as to prevent the natural restructuring of our DNA and prevent the awakening process? Maybe the illness/disease is just a side effect (one which I'm sure 4D absolutely loves) but nonetheless, a side effect and not the main purpose. It would explain why they so desperately want everyone to have it especially with the approach of the Wave and more people waking up every day. Just a thought.

EDIT: I do know that light is what actually rearranges our DNA so I'm guessin this probably falls into the noise category. Apologies. There seems to be a lot of turbulence going on in my head lately. I think I'll stick to just reading for a while.
 
What do forum members think of the recent (within the past week) "about-face" by the American main-stream media pundits, who are now saying that the swine flu vaccine is dangerous, untested, that they're not going to have it, and they don't think anyone else should, either? Rush Limbaugh, among others. The liberal MSM pundits are still saying that the vaccine is safe, go out and get vaccinated. Is this a reverse-psychology move by the PTB to get more (liberals) to get the vaccination, is it a move to get people to lower thier guard about the whole vaccination program (because the conservatives are onto it, maybe the PTB won't go through with mandatory vaccinations)?

I'd like to know what you all think about this. I have been trying to figure out how to avoid getting vaccinated, and avoid getting put into quarantine, without going into hiding. I still think that mandatory vaccinations are coming.... Your thoughts?
 
Just a thought:

When conflicting stands on a subject are repeated in the media, a common reaction among people is: "who knows? ah, whatever."
The desire to understand is circumvented.
 
Thanks, MC. That may be it. Many people I know have lost interest in the subject. That could, indeed, be what the PTB intended.
 
Story from Hungarian News:

http://index.hu/belfold/2009/10/18/megsem_lehet_terhes_noket_es_gyerekeket_oltani_az_influenza_elleni_oltassal/

http://translate.google.com

Translation by the CIA, google:

Pregnant women and children cannot be inoculated with the shot against the new flu.

The shot against the new flu is not suited for Pregnant women and children, says the "Expert College of Infectology"
(Expert group in Hungary akin to Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices).

This position of the College was broadcast on the hungarian TV2 in the programme named "Tények" or "Facts."

The position of the College is that pregnant women should be treated rather with antiviral drugs, but there are only few of these remedies. According to this expert group adults must be inoculated, but children under 3-5 and pregnant women must be not. The Ministry of Health did not yet receive the official report of the College so they [Ministry] won't comment on rumor. The Ministry of Health informed the media that they have called together the pandemic committee on Monday where they will talk about the inoculation of pregnant women among other things.

Meanwhile, the good old CDC declares:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm

"CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) has recommended that certain groups of the population receive the 2009 H1N1 vaccine when it first becomes available. These target groups include pregnant women"
 
The health's minister of Quebec has declared that according to him 80% of the population will choose to be vaccinated.

The 20% who will not choose to be vaccinated can be divided into 2 groups.

The first one is for people who do not have enough information to choose or who have bad information.

The second group is for the people who are scared by needles.

We can feel in the population a sort of polarization against the vaccine or for the vaccine.

It does remind me of G. W. Bush are you with us or against us.
 
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