Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Vaccines

[theos]

The multilanguages page : http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/Humans/EPAR/prepandrix/prepandrix.htm

Product information (en) : http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/prepandrix/emea-combined-h822en.pdf

1. NAME OF THE MEDICINAL PRODUCT

Prepandrix suspension and emulsion for emulsion for injection.
Prepandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (split virion, inactivated, adjuvanted)

2. QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE COMPOSITION

After mixing, 1 dose (0.5 ml) contains:

Split influenza virus inactivated, containing antigen* equivalent to:

A/Indonesia/05/2005 (H5N1) like strain used (PR8-IBCDC-RG2) 3.75 micrograms**

* propagated in eggs
** haemagglutinin

AS03 adjuvant composed of squalene (10.69 milligrams), DL-α-tocopherol (11.86 milligrams) and polysorbate 80 (4.86 milligrams)
The suspension and emulsion vials once mixed form a multidose container. See section 6.5 for the number of doses per vial.

Excipients: It contains 5 micrograms thiomersal

So, H5N1 is injected in your body, if you get H1N1, what about recombination ?


If someone can search for links to check this, it would be cool :

DL-α-tocopherol is E vitamin
polysorbate 80 is a carcinogenic
thiomersal is ethylene-mercury

Edit:
Page of the European Public Assessment Report: (multilanguages) http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/Humans/EPAR/pandemrix/pandemrix.htm, in the summary for the public: http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/pandemrix/H-832-en1.pdf we can read:

Which measures are being taken to ensure the safe use of Pandemrix?
If Pandemrix is used during a pandemic, the company that makes it will collect information on the safety of the vaccine while it is being used.

Question: If you're gonna start a pandemic why would you name your infecting agent Pandemrix? Isn't that a little obvious?

On Polysorbate 80, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80

Polysorbate 80 (commercially also known as Tween 80, a registered trademark of ICI Americas, Inc.)[2] is a nonionic surfactant and emulsifier derived from polyethoxylated sorbitan and oleic acid, and is often used in foods. Polysorbate 80 is a viscous, water-soluble yellow liquid. The hydrophilic groups in this compound are polyethers also known as polyoxyethylene groups which are polymers of ethylene oxide. In the nomenclature of polysorbates, the numeric designation following polysorbate refers to the lipophilic group, in this case the oleic acid (see polysorbate for more detail).

Polysorbate 80 is often used in ice cream to prevent milk proteins from completely coating the fat droplets. This allows them to join together in chains and nets, to hold air in the mixture, and provide a firmer texture, holding its shape as the ice cream melts.

and from http://infertility.suite101.com/article.cfm/polysorbate_80_causes_infertility

According to Annals of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, Volume 95, Number 6, December 2005 , pp. 593-599(7), "it is of current relevance as a 'hidden' inductor of anaphylactoid reactions", and "Polysorbate 80 was identified as the causative agent for the anaphylactoid reaction of nonimmunologic origin in the patient. Conclusions: Polysorbate 80 is a ubiquitously used solubilizing agent that can cause severe nonimmunologic anaphylactoid reactions."

Put in plain English, polysorbate 80 can affect your immune system and cause severe anaphylactic shock which can kill.

The study included a pregnant woman who suffered anaphylactic shock after being given a IV drip of multi-vitamins containing polysorbate 80.
In addition to this, there have been numerous studies which show that the stabilizer causes infertility:

Gajdova M, Jakubovsky J, Valky J.Delayed effects of neonatal exposure to Tween 80 on female reproductive organs in rats. Food Chem Toxicol. 1993 Mar;31(3):183-90. PMID: 8473002.

Baby female rats were injected with polysorbate 80 at days 4-7 after birth. It accelerated the maturing of the rats and caused changes to the vagina and womb lining, hormonal changes, ovary deformities and degenerative follicles.

According to the World Intellectual Property Organization, which is part of the United Nations, scientists from the organization are developing vaccines specifically to damage fertility as a method of contraception. A suggested ingredient for the vaccine is tween 80 (polysorbate 80):

"In a preferred embodiment the vaccine comprises oil, preferably a biodegradable oil such as squalene oil. Typically, the vaccine is prepared using an adjuvant concentrate which contains lecithin in squalene oil. The aqueous solution glycoprotein is typically a phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) solution, and additionally preferably contains Tween 80."

(Fertility Impairing Vaccine And Methods of Use' This application claims the benefit of U. S. Provisional Application No. 60/070,375, filed January 2,1998, U. S. Provisional Application No. 60/071,406, filed January 15,1998).

As it is a preferred ingredient, scientists are obviously aware of its ability to cause infertility.

Polysorbate 80 is in shampoo and bubble bath, and the dairy industry uses it in ice cream to help retain the shape of the ice cream and to prevent it from melting so quickly after it has been removed from a freezer. Perhaps before you visit the ice cream section of your supermarket, you should re-think your purchase.

More worrying is the new Gardasil cervical cancer vaccine which is being injected into girls aged 9-26.

“Gardasil contains Polysorbate 80, which is linked to infertility in mice,” noted Dee Nicholson, National Communications Director for Freedom in Canadian Health Care.

People who don't die from this vaccine will be sterile then.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Hi Snow,

You may find the following sources helpful to your research:

_http://www.vaccinationnews.com/breaking_news_archives.htm

_http://www.squidoo.com/mdsspeakout

_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

_http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm

_http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?t=621

 

[Snow]

Hi Snow,

You may find the following sources helpful to your research:

_http://www.vaccinationnews.com/breaking_news_archives.htm

_http://www.squidoo.com/mdsspeakout

_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

_http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm

_http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?t=621

Thank you, MC :)
Every bit of information helps.

 

[LoveAndLight]

Looks like the powers that be are making their front line workers get the Swine Flu Vaccine first. But the question that pops up in my mind, is if the shots are lethal or crippling then why are they making their front line workers get it first? Don't they need them to do their dirty work?Or are they trying to spread the actual flu my doing this? Seems like we do not know a whole lot about their true objects here. I think the shots will work slowly on killing or crippling the person, so we probably wont see the side effects right away. Just posting what I think about the issue.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/194069-U-S-Military-to-get-mandatory-swine-flu-shots-soon

 

[pete02]

Hi LoveAndLight,

We need to remember that the PTB are capable of anything. When the Pope went on tour a while ago and came by NYC, as his motorcade went by there were 2 big black box trucks heavily armored driving behind him. I found this odd and asked one of the security personnel what those vehicles were. He replied that every known vaccine to every disease known on the planet was riding on those trucks in case of a biological warfare attack of some kind. I said 'isn't that nice' and he shrugged his shoulders and went about his business. Bottom line is the troops may not be necessarily getting the same formula we are. Politicians sure aren't, of that I'm pretty darn sure!

 

[LoveAndLight]

Hi LoveAndLight,

We need to remember that the PTB are capable of anything. When the Pope went on tour a while ago and came by NYC, as his motorcade went by there were 2 big black box trucks heavily armored driving behind him. I found this odd and asked one of the security personnel what those vehicles were. He replied that every known vaccine to every disease known on the planet was riding on those trucks in case of a biological warfare attack of some kind. I said 'isn't that nice' and he shrugged his shoulders and went about his business. Bottom line is the troops may not be necessarily getting the same formula we are. Politicians sure aren't, of that I'm pretty darn sure!

Hi Pete02,

Very interesting story you have and you are right. Also maybe there trying to convince us, by giving the vaccine to the soldiers first and saying "look the vaccines didn't harm them,why would they harm you" or something on lines of that. The really scary thing is that they are trying to force these vaccines on us and we need to find a way around this fast because time is running out. I need to do more research.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026934_health_public_health_quarantine.html

 

[nicklebleu]

Another approach, if flu vaccines become mandatory would be to try to bribe your doctor in signing the paper and discarding the flu shot into the waste bin ... a few thousand quids, a corrupt doctor and you're off the hook (for the time being).

You might need to be sure of the personality of the administering doctor, as this approach carries some risk: If you misjudge the character of the doctor, he might take that as an act of corruption and report you to the authorities.

But that certainly is an option I would be thinking about ...

Otherwise I haven't made up my mind how far I would be prepared to go, if the flu shot became mandatory. I guess at this stage, detoxing is the smartest way to go and the rest is WAIT & SEE.

 

[Kesdjan]

People are definitely irrational when it comes to vaccines. I just went with my mom and brother to get a seasonal flu shot. Some stats that they gave you before you took the shot are:

1) Seasonal flu kills 36,000 people in the US per year.
2) The chances of getting Guillain-Barre syndrome from vaccination are only 1 or 2 cases per million.
3) Under a section titled, "Who should get the vaccine?", they list "anyone who wants to reduce the risk of getting or transmitting the flu", and then they list the at risk groups including the elderly etc.

Since the at risk groups were all people with weakened immune systems, it seems reasonable to ask what percentage of people with healthy immune systems get the disease. It also seems reasonable to ask what percentage of people who get the shot still catch the flu. But when I told my mom and brother that without that info, I'm not getting the shot, they started yelling at me and calling me stupid. I didn't even get to ask the guy who was administering the vaccine any of these questions since they ran off. So now, I looked up the study that gave the 36,000 death figure, and it has the following table on influenza deaths by age:

Edit: My post didn't go through for some reason. Anyway, what I had written was that the probability for dying from influenza is less than the proability of getting vaccine-related Guillain-Barre syndrome. But since my family won't listen to the data, should I have just gotten the shot and detoxed later?

 

[theos]

Kesdjan,
Here is some information on the common ingredients of flu vaccines. You can use it as a jumping off point for more research. You may find an interesting article to share with interested parties.

From http://www.vaclib.org/basic/flushots.htm

The allantoic fluids in which the flu vaccine is grown, contain a white crystalline substance called allantoin. As an animal waste product, it is not usable and hence it is toxic. Allantoin has a high nitrogen content, which is why it is used as fertilizer. Allantoin is broken down to dirueidoacetic acid. Diureidoacetic acid can be further broken down to another product that is partly responsible for the development of kidney and bladder stones.

Five hundred micrograms of gentamicin, a broad spectrum antibiotic, is added to each embryonated chicken egg to inhibit the growth of bacteria. Formaldehyde, which is often used as a preservative, and thought to be carcinogenic in humans, is used to inactivate the virus.

Two chemicals, tri butylphosphate and Polysorbate 80, USP are added to the subvirion to inactivate and disrupt a significant proportion of the virus. Then, resin is added to eliminate "substantial portions" of these two chemicals, tri butylphosphate and Polysorbate 80. You can be certain that some of these chemicals are still components of the vaccine when injected. Still, more purification is required because of the presence of undisclosed other "undesirable materials" in the vaccine.

So, at this point, we see that the vaccine contains: Allantoin and its breakdown products; various egg proteins; gentamicin, an antibiotic; formaldehyde; resin, and tri butylphosphate, as well as polysorbate 80, which is used as an excipient in formulating tablets. In other words, polysorbate 80 is the vehicle or carrier for most drugs, and it is also found in ice creams and other fabricated fake foods. To preserve this witches' brew, thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is used. Therefore, each 0.5 milliliter dose influenza vaccine contains 25 micrograms of mercury. Do you want all that in your body?

Some companies use polyethylene glycol and Isooctylphenyl for various reasons when producing the subvirion. Such chemicals cannot produce health. Polyethylene Glycol is a relative of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) which is often used to poison dogs and other predators of sheep. The body has a very difficult time expelling it because it is resistant to biodegradation. Isocctylphenyl ether is a compound of ether and has anesthetic properties. Isooctylphenyl ether is a teratogen, causing abnormal prenatal development. It also induces testicular atrophy in animals, and possibly in people.

If I were in your place I definitely would not have taken the shot.

You may want to look at this thread as well http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13983.msg106819#msg106819

Did you see this article on SOTT? http://www.sott.net/articles/show/194234-US-A-Brief-History-of-Government-Immunizations

Moderator's note: The cassiopaea link has been activated.

 

[cholas]

if flu vaccines become mandatory would be to try to bribe your doctor in signing the paper and discarding the flu shot into the waste bin ... a few thousand quids, a corrupt doctor and you're off the hook (for the time being).

Good point nicklebleu. I agree and have utilized this option. For anyone who can, it would at least stall the immediate need to be 'legit'.

I too question why you voluntarily had the shot, Kesdjan. ??

But no matter, I wish you the best. Pathfinders are invaluable. ;)

 

[pete02]

chachachick and cholas,

Edit: My post didn't go through for some reason. Anyway, what I had written was that the probability for dying from influenza is less than the proability of getting vaccine-related Guillain-Barre syndrome. But since my family won't listen to the data, should I have just gotten the shot and detoxed later?

Maybe Kesdjan posted after you replied but from the EDIT it seems to me that he/she did not get the vaccine.

 

[cholas]

Thanks Pete02,

Didn't catch the yeah or neah of Kesdjan having gotten the shot.

 

[theos]

I replied assuming that Kesdjan did not get the shot which I considered a good thing.

;)

 

[Kesdjan]

Yeah I didn't get the shot. I was aware of the thimerosal, etc. My question though was not really about whether to take the shot, but what to do if your family is extremely pro-vaccine? If there is a swine flu outbreak, I'll have a really hard time convincing my family that I shouldn't to take the H1N1 vaccine.

 

[Snow]

Yeah I didn't get the shot. I was aware of the thimerosal, etc. My question though was not really about whether to take the shot, but what to do if your family is extremely pro-vaccine? If there is a swine flu outbreak, I'll have a really hard time convincing my family that I don't want to take the H1N1 vaccine.

For most people the dogma “vaccines are safe and necessary” is still very much entrenched in their belief system. Anybody questioning this dogma is therefore attacking this “belief” and people will go to extremes defending their belief (or any other belief for that matter). Taking this belief head on is of no use and only works counterproductive (even dangerous, as it might get the attention of the General Law): the “believer” will only dig in deeper and starts to fight you with even more zeal (how irrational his/her arguments may be), or just shuts you out, deaf to your arguments, as you already have experienced…

Getting the message through only works if the other side is open to your arguments or comes to you (out of free will) and is willing to listen to your side of the story. Until then, it seems, it’s of no use. I know it is difficult and even frustrating, but remember, you go against a lifetime of social programming.

I know, because I tried to convince my wife and I made the terrible error to go against her belief system, head on. The more I fought it, the more she fought back. In the end I lost, because she wasn’t willing to listen to me anymore. I do, however, have a glimmer of hope: I managed to convince her to start to read a book about the subject. The next day she even told me she had small doubts about certain procedures of vaccination (why some people do and some don’t get vaccinated).

So, you must be clever, without impeding free will. Rationality doesn’t seem to work, unless they are open and willing to listen. And for them to listen, they must first start to doubt their own belief system. For the time being you are “tainted”, but if you manage to slip in an article, or a book you might get lucky and plant a seed of doubt…

If there’s not enough time, you can, at least for yourself, argue the “herd immunity”. At least that way you can avoid getting the vaccination yourself.