Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[MK Scarlett]

It's OK to do 3 stage breathing laying down. You can do the whole program except for Warrior's Breath laying down. Whatever is most comfortable for you. You can still use the hand positions during 3 Stage Breathing while laying down. Also, it's fine to have the blanket over you during Beatha. I've occasionally felt cold during Beatha too and covered myself with the blanket before getting to the POTS.

Thank you SeekinTruth for letting us know and for sharing your own experience.

 

[SeekinTruth]

It's OK to do 3 stage breathing laying down. You can do the whole program except for Warrior's Breath laying down. Whatever is most comfortable for you. You can still use the hand positions during 3 Stage Breathing while laying down. Also, it's fine to have the blanket over you during Beatha. I've occasionally felt cold during Beatha too and covered myself with the blanket before getting to the POTS.

Thank you SeekinTruth for letting us know and for sharing your own experience.

You're very welcome. :)

 

[Timey]

Hey guys.
Is it normal to experience intense tingiling followed by hysterica laughter after Beatha breathing?

Tingling can be said is quite common when doing beatha and laughter is the second time I hear about it. Well, how was it for you then after these experiences?

The first time it was fantastic. I felt optimistic and relaxed. The second time was a bit different. One of the reason that I'm using EE is to overcome anxiety. After my second Betha I felt anxious, but I was able to understand why, seeing the causes, which in itself helped.

Don't force to do beatha, be gentle with yourself. When you feel uncomfortable, maybe do it only one time in a week or take a break from beatha. As far as I understand it pipebreathing and actual belly breathing are maybe better for dealing with anxiety, cause through the hormone releases it relaxes you and you breath deeper. For example when you start to feel anxious try to do pipebreathing, because anxiety is kind of an unrelaxed (sympathetic) modus of our body and with pipebreathing you go into the parasympathetic modus.

I only do beatha once a week to deal with programs. The overall EE system has already yielded noticeable results with regards to confidence and anxiety.

I had a worrying experience after doing Prayer of the Soul meditation before bed last night.
I entered the meditative state and imagined a rope with an entity on the end of it, I snipped the rope.
When I had entered a very deep meditative state a vivid image of a being watching me flashed into my mind. It looked like two spinning pyramids on top of each other. The top one was upside down, its tip touching the bottom one's. The bottom pyramid was polka-dotted. My eyes bolted open and my ears were ringing loudly. It was very frightening and I couldn't sleep properly.
I felt really weird. I prayed. I felt energy going into my crown and into my body, but I would get scared and it would stop. An image of a black boomerang like craft flashed in my mind. I'm a bit worried :(

 

[LQB]

During a full EE session today and after about three POTS recitations I drifted into a state of what seemed like deep memory of a "spiritual" home - full of much peace and very deep meaning. Visuals associated with it were like a gaze at blue sky through wispy clouds in the foreground. The visual part was minor compared to the deep feeling it was memory of some aspect of a timeless home - some place I have been deeply familiar with. This has happened sporadically in past EE sessions, but this latest has been the most powerful.

 

[Alana]

I had a worrying experience after doing Prayer of the Soul meditation before bed last night.
I entered the meditative state and imagined a rope with an entity on the end of it, I snipped the rope.
When I had entered a very deep meditative state a vivid image of a being watching me flashed into my mind. It looked like two spinning pyramids on top of each other. The top one was upside down, its tip touching the bottom one's. The bottom pyramid was polka-dotted. My eyes bolted open and my ears were ringing loudly. It was very frightening and I couldn't sleep properly.
I felt really weird. I prayed. I felt energy going into my crown and into my body, but I would get scared and it would stop. An image of a black boomerang like craft flashed in my mind. I'm a bit worried :(

I am sorry your experience frightened you, Timey. From your description, and from my current perspective, what I can tell you is that sometimes our inner fears/worries come up from our unconscious in different forms and shapes. It might be that what you experienced as "other beings" were your own fears, or part of your shadow, as Jung would say, eg everything in us that we deemed as "bad" at an early age and closed them off, repressed them in some corner of our psyche, refusing to acknowledge them. It can be fears as I said, or emotions like jealousy/anger that our environment did not allow us to express and regard as simply human attributes/emotions. That's my current take of course, and I could be wrong. Perhaps next time, if this happens again, you can try to feel that whatever it is, you are stronger than it and it just can't harm you. It might feel less threatening.

my 2 cents...

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

I entered the meditative state and imagined a rope with an entity on the end of it, I snipped the rope.
When I had entered a very deep meditative state a vivid image of a being watching me flashed into my mind.

Hi Timey,

FWIW, I agree with what Alana told you about your shadow and your fears. Several members in this very thread have reported visions that were making them ill at ease, uncomfortable or sad. I think it's all part of the process of cleaning. I for one was seeing a lot of scenes, people, faces and at some point, I was looking inside someone's house. That 'someone' suddenly saw me and actually came closer, sat down on a chair so she could be at ease to observe me from really close! That was scary! :) But also a bit funny since that was exactly what I was doing a few seconds before...

Others might have another take on it, though...

 

[Zadius Sky]

An EE update:

I have not done a full program for a couple of weeks. But, I have just been doing the three-stage and the POTS before bed on a daily basis except for a few nights when I was really exhausted (when I went straight to bed). Last night, I was very exhausted from working and fought the urge to sleep and did the three-stage/POTS before bed. Instead of going to bed with running/tension thoughts of a day's activities and interactions, I went to bed with calm feelings and a quiet mind. I just woke up this morning from a dream that given me an impression that I am being "probed" by unwanted person(s).

 

[Ollie]

An EE update:
... I was very exhausted from working and fought the urge to sleep and did the three-stage/POTS before bed. Instead of going to bed with running/tension thoughts of a day's activities and interactions, I went to bed with calm feelings and a quiet mind. ...

That is the power and wonder of EE. :)

For me, another week of wet-eyes and yawning during three-stage pipe breathing (it doesn’t seem to matter at what time of the day EE is done, the effect is still there), and with zoning out during PotS, on both Monday and Thursday.

 

[Timey]

I had a worrying experience after doing Prayer of the Soul meditation before bed last night.
I entered the meditative state and imagined a rope with an entity on the end of it, I snipped the rope.
When I had entered a very deep meditative state a vivid image of a being watching me flashed into my mind. It looked like two spinning pyramids on top of each other. The top one was upside down, its tip touching the bottom one's. The bottom pyramid was polka-dotted. My eyes bolted open and my ears were ringing loudly. It was very frightening and I couldn't sleep properly.
I felt really weird. I prayed. I felt energy going into my crown and into my body, but I would get scared and it would stop. An image of a black boomerang like craft flashed in my mind. I'm a bit worried :(

I am sorry your experience frightened you, Timey. From your description, and from my current perspective, what I can tell you is that sometimes our inner fears/worries come up from our unconscious in different forms and shapes. It might be that what you experienced as "other beings" were your own fears, or part of your shadow, as Jung would say, eg everything in us that we deemed as "bad" at an early age and closed them off, repressed them in some corner of our psyche, refusing to acknowledge them. It can be fears as I said, or emotions like jealousy/anger that our environment did not allow us to express and regard as simply human attributes/emotions. That's my current take of course, and I could be wrong. Perhaps next time, if this happens again, you can try to feel that whatever it is, you are stronger than it and it just can't harm you. It might feel less threatening.

my 2 cents...

It just freaked me out because it was so sudden and vivid. I've also seen a lot of UFO's in my life, I've been scared of them since I was a kid. Not so much now, but at times.
Its interesting that now I have a lingering fear while doing Prayer of the Soul, whereas before I felt totally protected and at ease. It stops me from becoming fully relaxed.

 

[mcb]

It just freaked me out because it was so sudden and vivid. I've also seen a lot of UFO's in my life, I've been scared of them since I was a kid. Not so much now, but at times.
Its interesting that now I have a lingering fear while doing Prayer of the Soul, whereas before I felt totally protected and at ease. It stops me from becoming fully relaxed.

Can you turn that fear around so that it becomes a determination not to be "bothered" by entities? I mention it because it worked for me years ago. You might think of fear as something that happens to you, beyond your control, but in my experience it more like "tuning." Adjust the dial and see what happens.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Can you turn that fear around so that it becomes a determination not to be "bothered" by entities? I mention it because it worked for me years ago. You might think of fear as something that happens to you, beyond your control, but in my experience it more like "tuning." Adjust the dial and see what happens.

Could this be explained as having your center of gravity in the intellectual center as opposed to the emotional center? So the "tuning" could mean moving your center of gravity, or bringing attention toward the discomfort instead of identifying with it. With that seems to come a sense of control or a feeling of freedom. As the C's have said: "blast your mind open!"

I would have normally thought that predominantly being in the intellectual center was a "bad" thing. But now I am thinking otherwise. Maybe with a more awakened emotional center (from practice of EE) we start to be able to use our intellect the way it was meant to be used. Being able to discern emotions from thought, and being more sensitive toward the emotionally-influenced thinking. This quote by Approaching Infinity triggered my thinking in this direction:

There are three aspects that you are able to see in different friends of yours - where is to be found their centre of gravity, their individuality. Of your three friends, one has his centre of gravity in his mind; another is like a cow with centre of gravity in his body; the third is like an hysterical woman, he manipulates for everything. ... There isn't a better illustration for the emotional centre than the hysterical woman. She feels everything, even what doesn't exist. (p. 61)

You have a weakness, a sickness; you must not think with your feeling; you must think with your head. To think with your feeling is a weakness, a sickness. The beginning comes from feeling and the centre of thought is only a function. But the centre of gravity must be the thought. And now you can know what is individuality. It is when your centre of gravity is in your thought. So, if your centre of gravity is not in your thought, you are not an individual, you are an automaton. It's a simple explanation. Every man should try to accustom himself to being an individual, an independent person, something, not merde (excuse the word), not an animal, dog, cat. It is a very simple symptom. If you concentrate your being in your thought, you are an individual; there are many degrees among individuals, but that isn't important for the moment. You are an individual when you have your centre of gravity in the thinking centre. And if it is in another centre, you are only an automaton. It can be in your body and in your feeling, but when you work you should always have for aim to be in your thought. And this do consciously. If you do not, everything does itself unconsciously in you. Your work should be exclusively to concentrate yourself in your thought. It's a simple explanation. (p. 75-76)

edit: added quote and more explanation

 

[bupple]

I just did the EE meditation program for the first time...... For me, The effects were just like Yoga, I get a sense of calm after the program....But I'm dealing with a lot of recent traumas, and I am some what numb and disconnected from my emotions. The EE makes me calms and at the same time more numb and detached. I am not sure if I should continue doing the EE.....Does anyone have a suggestion?

 

[SeekinTruth]

I just did the EE meditation program for the first time...... For me, The effects were just like Yoga, I get a sense of calm after the program....But I'm dealing with a lot of recent traumas, and I am some what numb and disconnected from my emotions. The EE makes me calms and at the same time more numb and detached. I am not sure if I should continue doing the EE.....Does anyone have a suggestion?

I think if you continue to do the full program (including Beatha/Bioenergetic/Round Breathing), try it twice a week and see if that works. Other days of the week you can do the full program and skip the Beatha/Bioenergetic/Round breathing. And every single night before sleeping do some pipe breathing and then the Prayer of the Soul.

At first you notice the calmness but as you continue to do the program, you'll be processing your traumas and detoxing from them, so to speak. If it eventually gets too much, e.g. you have overwhelming emotional releases, you can skip the Beatha more often. For example, bring it down to only one time a week, etc.

Also just for your information, most of us on the forum do the full program on the forum on Mondays and Thursdays.

 

[Oxajil]

I just did the EE meditation program for the first time...... For me, The effects were just like Yoga, I get a sense of calm after the program....But I'm dealing with a lot of recent traumas, and I am some what numb and disconnected from my emotions. The EE makes me calms and at the same time more numb and detached. I am not sure if I should continue doing the EE.....Does anyone have a suggestion?

At first you notice the calmness but as you continue to do the program, you'll be processing your traumas and detoxing from them, so to speak.

I think that even during the calmness you are processing something, in some way, but on some other level, in a way it's a more soothing way of processing certain issues, I think. As long as you stay consistent with the program, the program will enable you to process your troubles in its own way and time, as is appropriate to you. Keep the forum updated on how you're doing and also remember that keeping a diary or journaling can be helpful as well, and the forum is here for you too, if ever you would like to share. Take good care of yourself!

 

[SeekinTruth]

I just did the EE meditation program for the first time...... For me, The effects were just like Yoga, I get a sense of calm after the program....But I'm dealing with a lot of recent traumas, and I am some what numb and disconnected from my emotions. The EE makes me calms and at the same time more numb and detached. I am not sure if I should continue doing the EE.....Does anyone have a suggestion?

At first you notice the calmness but as you continue to do the program, you'll be processing your traumas and detoxing from them, so to speak.

I think that even during the calmness you are processing something, in some way, but on some other level, in a way it's a more soothing way of processing certain issues, I think. As long as you stay consistent with the program, the program will enable you to process your troubles in its own way and time, as is appropriate to you. Keep the forum updated on how you're doing and also remember that keeping a diary or journaling can be helpful as well, and the forum is here for you too, if ever you would like to share. Take good care of yourself!

Yes, Oxajil is absolutely right. If you practice EE consistently, you'll be getting exactly what you need in the "background" as far as dealing with your issues, traumas, and emotional "toxicity." Even if it doesn't seem like a whole lot is happening emotionally, you only feel calm and relaxed alertness, be assured that things are being sorted out, processed and releasing gently beneath the surface, so to speak.

But again, if it becomes too much, just cut down the Beatha portion and try to add it again later when you feel you can handle the emotional releases better. And as Oxajil said, keep the forum updated if you feel you need feedback. :)