Failed Trump Assassination Attempt

[Cosmos]

Here is what I think at this point:

All the known points where bullets hit (where we can be fairly certain that they did so) seem almost perfectly in line with Crooks in terms of bullet trajectories. While none of those trajectories seem to be blocked by anything during their travel through the air. We know of no bullets that hit elsewhere (other than some speculations). We have a number of proposed and possible locations for at least one additional professional sniper that did or did not shoot. Out of those possible locations, only a quite reduced number seem to be in line with either, only the bullet that hit Trumps ear (without considering where that specific bullet went on after that point), or, the locations that the injured and dead were at and where other bullets landed (Telehandler for example). At this point, we have no way of knowing with any certainty at all that someone else than Crooks shot! Which doesn't mean that there were not at least one or more professional snipers located somewhere else, EVEN totally out of the ranges we have considered possible so far, that did not shoot (you can't know the locations of people who don't shoot, solely based on shots fired). But that doesn't mean either that Crooks was the only one who shot that day. See below.

Out of the possible locations for a second shooter, we have still less possibilities if we assume that a second shooter shot at Trumps head. If we assume that (which, I still think, is at least as likely!), for me, the most convincing spot remains Crooks building at the areas of the proposed "lighted" window, and not too far away from that. Although I said earlier that it seems to me that that proposed window MIGHT have been opened (possibly, just slightly) to the inside, very shorty before the first shot can be heard, considering how extremely close after the first shot it seems to "open" and that the rectangular strip in that video doesn't seem to change much at all, from the viewpoint of the camera, while moving to the right, I think it is more likely that I'm imagining that that window was opened before the shots. In other words, it seems to be more likely to me that that window was closed the whole time. Further, the issue with the fence for that window also speaks more against it than for it, IMO. BUT we still have the other proposed openings/vents that are still hot candidates IMO, chief among which is the one I circled in green earlier, because there seems to be a significant opening at the bottom end of that vent, throughout the whole sequence of events. After that possibility, the other possible but quite less hot candidate IMO is the 2-story building that Niall mentioned at some point. On that roof you have a number of difficulties though, compared to crooks building. But in the realm of possibilities IMO.

So, Crooks building is by far the most hot candidate for me for a second shooter, IF we assume that he shot. That they seemed to have locked that building from the inside, just shortly after the shots, also seems consistent with that idea and that they seemed to not want people to come in there also seems to be consistent. It also seems consistent with the fact that we (seemingly) see very few people in there after the shots. And also consistent with the Secret Service guy and the police guy walking towards the entrance as soon as someone wants to come in. Also consistent with the behavior of that weird gray shirt guy on the fence/building area.

I'm at 50/50: Crooks was the only one shooting at Trumps head, or, a second shooter was located in the same building, who ALSO shot at Trumps head, or, he was located on the mentioned 2-story roof behind Crooks to the right.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Not sure what other way to say it. There are 3 possible audible sounds from a supersonic bullet: 1) the explosion of the bullet cap in the gun. 2) the crack as it passes the speed of sound 3) if the bullet passes closes enough to you, you'll hear the sound of the bullet moving through the air (not necessarily in that order).

Not sure how else to say it either: The sonic crack is the sound of the bullet moving through the air as it passes close enough to you. Those are the compressed sound waves of the bullet passing through the air. What I'm open to is that after the bullet passes by, you might be able to hear it moving away from you. In a subsonic bullet that is the sound of the whistle going down in frequency, from high pitch to low pitch. But that isn't audible when a supersonic bullet passes close by. Maybe this image will help. Top line is the first shot from Dave's recording. Second line is the subsonic shot from this recording, and the third is a supersonic shot from the same recording.

In the spectrogram of sound 2, you can see the whizz or whistle slope down as the pitch lowers while the bullet is passing the microphone. In the first sound, you can see some diagonal lines, but not as clearly defined, above the section labeled "whizz (0.22s)." If that is the whizz you are hearing, it comes after the bullet is already very far away, and after there is already a clear echo. (I don't hear any whizz in those first 240 milliseconds for any of the three shots.) So whatever that whizz sound is, it isn't the bullet passing overhead. If it was, it would be mixed in somewhere in those first 100 ms or so.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

That church tower is about 700 Meters away from Trumps head. Or, about 5.4 times the distance that Crooks shot from. I personally see little reason to believe that planners of such an assassination would choose a place for a professional sniper so far away, when you have, seemingly, MANY places much closer to choose from. It increases the risk of not hitting Trumps head significantly IMO, no matter how professional a sniper is and their equipment. Why would they choose such a risky spot? It also seems at the outer realm of possibilities for the specific bullet that hit Trumps ear.

I think we can rule that out as a possibility. Based on the Trump mic recording, and the delay of 0.218 seconds between the first shock wave and muzzle blast, a bullet fired from that far would have to have an average velocity of around 394 m/s. By the time it reached Trump it would be subsonic. Can't find any rifle rounds with a velocity drop-off like that. Just as an example, 308s and 7.62s would have average velocities of around 650 to 700 m/s, and still be supersonic by the time they reached Trump.

 

[Mark7]

Just a quick observation. The whole area where the assassination took place could be digitized accurately down to a couple of centimeters - depending. Could be really accurate 3D engine with special properties. Could be good for research or somebody will make a real game or mod for something like STALKER.

 

[Ricardo]

Bullet loads can be tinkered wtih and have otherwise a different speed/profile.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Just a quick observation. The whole area where the assassination took place could be digitized accurately down to a couple of centimeters - depending. Could be really accurate 3D engine with special properties. Could be good for research or somebody will make a real game or mod for something like STALKER.

A few people have tried already, and we have our own RedFox working on it! Maybe someone else will work on the game version. ;)

 

[Joe]

The sonic crack is the sound of the bullet moving through the air as it passes close enough to you. Those are the compressed sound waves of the bullet passing through the air. What I'm open to is that after the bullet passes by, you might be able to hear it moving away from you. In a subsonic bullet that is the sound of the whistle going down in frequency, from high pitch to low pitch. But that isn't audible when a supersonic bullet passes close by. Maybe this image will help. Top line is the first shot from Dave's recording. Second line is the subsonic shot from this recording, and the third is a supersonic shot from the same recording.

In the spectrogram of sound 2, you can see the whizz or whistle slope down as the pitch lowers while the bullet is passing the microphone. In the first sound, you can see some diagonal lines, but not as clearly defined, above the section labeled "whizz (0.22s)." If that is the whizz you are hearing, it comes after the bullet is already very far away, and after there is already a clear echo. (I don't hear any whizz in those first 240 milliseconds for any of the three shots.) So whatever that whizz sound is, it isn't the bullet passing overhead. If it was, it would be mixed in somewhere in those first 100 ms or so.

Ok, so now I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. There are forums out there with people talking about the "whizz" or "zip" sound of a bullet passing by.

Here are another couple of videos

I can hear a 'whizz' in the first three shots of Dave's video.

 

[Benjamin]

Ok, so now I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. There are forums out there with people talking about the "whizz" or "zip" sound of a bullet passing by.

Here are another couple of videos

I can hear a 'whizz' in the first three shots of Dave's video.

I'll just get the obvious out of the way: he shoots -> hits the target -> bullet comes right back -> hits ground in front of him -> bounces up and hits his ear protectors on the left side. WOW! Well..the universe has now warned you once.

So, notice in the first video when the shot is fired, there's a 'compressed air' sound at the beginning which transitions into, and ultimately replaced by, the 'ringing whiz'/'rubber band' sound. Straight shot, no ricochet.

In the second video, the shot is fired and is 'silent'. The 'whiz' is heard from the bullet coming back at the guy (which changes abruptly when it hits the ground- stops spinning?). The sound comes from being ricocheted which, I think, is in a decelerating spin ('end-over-end'?) travelling in a shallow arch. That's why the pitch changes? (Man, that's a crazy shot!)

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Ok, so now I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. There are forums out there with people talking about the "whizz" or "zip" sound of a bullet passing by.

Those bullets are subsonic.

I've got an idea about why this is going nowhere. Earlier you wrote:

With supersonic, yes, you get a crack as it passes the speed of sound

and

There are 3 possible audible sounds from a supersonic bullet: 1) the explosion of the bullet cap in the gun. 2) the crack as it passes the speed of sound 3) if the bullet passes closes enough to you, you'll hear the sound of the bullet moving through the air

It sounds to me as if you might think that a sonic boom only occurs as the object passes the speed barrier, one time and that's that, and then the bullet continues on its course, making whizz or zip sounds to nearby observers, and that "crack" and "whizz" sounds from the same bullet can be distinct and separated in time. Maybe the sonic crack comes first and then a whizz follows (or maybe a whizz is heard, and then comes the sonic crack?).

But the bullet is continuously passing the speed of sound, and it is continuously generating sonic booms for as long as it remains supersonic. The shock wave cone in the video I posted is a visual of that moving - and continuously generated - sonic boom. When the surface of the cone crosses a person's path, they hear the sonic boom, no matter how close or far away they are from the rifle. And they will only hear the sonic boom if and when the surface of that cone crosses their position.

If a person is close to the rifle, they will hear the sonic crack right after the bullet passes their head. If the person is 500 meters away from the rifle, they will ALSO hear the sonic crack right after the bullet passes their head. That is the sound generated by the bullet itself moving faster than the speed of sound. There won't ALSO be a whizz sound. The whizz sound from a subsonic bullet is pushed forward to an observer in front of the bullet (because the speed of its sound is faster than the speed of the bullet), and then pushed out behind the bullet towards the same observer after it passes. It starts high in pitch and ends low in pitch because of the Doppler effect. It is very short in duration, around 50 to 60 ms in the recordings I have.

Maybe this drawing will help with understanding the difference between subsonic and supersonic rounds, and why a whizz is heard with subsonic ones but not with supersonic ones:

And a video on Doppler and sonic booms:

I can hear a 'whizz' in the first three shots of Dave's video.

So can I. They're just much too late in the recording to be the sound of bullets passing close to Dave's microphone. By the time these whizzes are heard, the bullets themselves are very far away, so the whizzes can't be produced by the bullet passing close to the microphone. They also come after an echo, suggesting the whizz sounds are also some kind of echoes or reverberations. They're also much longer in duration than typical whizz sounds (the first one of Dave's is 220 ms compared to the 50-60 ms of the other examples - and if a supersonic bullet did have a whizz after the sonic crack, it would be even shorter in duration than subsonic whizzes, not longer because the bullet is covering a lot more ground in a shorter amount of time). And they don't drop off in pitch as fast either - which typical whizz sounds do when they pass the microphone.

 

[Chilla]

Sharing here. The following card is from the Illuminati card game designed by Steve Jackson. The game is based on the premise of various secret societies competing to control the world through a network of conspiracy and influence.

The game is popular among conspiracy theorists for its parodies and predictive nature.

Oh, the irony....

 

[Benjamin]

I'm still struggling as to why I can hear the whizzes around the first three shots, but I think I'm getting there.

And they don't drop off in pitch as fast either - which typical whizz sounds do when they pass the microphone.

Would a more accurate way of saying this be 'when the sound passes the microphone'? Because the bullet doesn't have to be anywhere near the mic, right? (first video in Joe's post above)

Just a couple of questions: 1) Are they not supersonic bullets? 2) The bullets are supersonic and the whiz caught by Dave's mic is 'leftover' as the whiz sound 'travels backwards' to his mic (Doppler)? 3) They are bullets fired from a longer distance then out of the widows of 2nd floor or from Crooks position (if he fired any)?

 

[Benjamin]

Notice that the vent with the green circle is the one that seems visible in the video two quotes above. Also notice that it seems to have been slightly opened the whole time at the bottom (before, during and after the shots!). Could a barrel shoot trough that opening?

Not likely. It's a downward throwing vent, usually called a dryer vent. You see them on the outside of houses that get hooked up to dryers but could be hooked up to something else. The pipe is 4". There is a 6" version that looks identical just bigger, but either way you might fit the barrel into the hole but I don't think the scope could be used. Just the hood alone makes it unlikely. Because the vent in the photo is so high, I'm thinking the pipe might be in the ceiling too.

 

[aragorn]

A small blip on the radar: the AGR building was apparently sold four months ago in March to a company called Indicor, "a diversified industrial solutions company", whatever that means. Indicor's CEO is Doug Wright who has worked with Raytheon.

The Company Building Where Trump Shooter Sniped From Was Sold Four Months Ago | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott

The building in Butler, Pennsylvania, where Thomas Matthew Crooks climbed on the roof and fired shots that hit President Trump and several supporters, was sold just four months ago.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

The current CEO of Indicor is Doug Wright, who was previously employed with defense contractor Raytheon Technologies.

I don't know how well in advance Trump's rally locations are announced. In any case, maybe Butler PA was an expected location since he's had rallies there before. Just pure speculation, but maybe 'they' had identified the location as suitable for their purposes earlier and by changing owners, they could more easily arrange things. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Cosmos]

Not likely. It's a downward throwing vent, usually called a dryer vent. You see them on the outside of houses that get hooked up to dryers but could be hooked up to something else. The pipe is 4". There is a 6" version that looks identical just bigger, but either way you might fit the barrel into the hole but I don't think the scope could be used. Just the hood alone makes it unlikely. Because the vent in the photo is so high, I'm thinking the pipe might be in the ceiling too.

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If that’s the vent, I have to agree, unless it was tweaked somehow and/or it was another one.

Maybe in the end Crooks was really the only person shooting that day and the PTB only created the situation that enabled him to do so?

Maybe they were not really bend on Trump being killed? Maybe they thought, since they gave Crooks such a perfect and close position, that it will work, even if he isn’t professional? But why would they then allow him to use such rather bad sights?

I dunno. Maybe they found a really sneaky way to shoot at Trump with the first three bullets via a real sniper and a position that is so well concealed that we simply can’t see it on videos? Or it was one of the other vents and it was opened and the video of Dave was tampered with?

 

[Benjamin]

I'm reading up on the 'transonic problem' with bullets and accuracy and I'm getting a better picture now. I also found a distance number for a bullet transitioning between super to subsonic in an old thread from 2010. I understand that all bullets will have a different transition distance but it was helpful to get an idea.

Using that info, the bullet went subsonic or at least started the transition at 1023 yards...

1023 yards is 0.58 mile (935 m, 3069 ft). It's not likely that the whiz sound heard on Dave's recording was a supersonic bullet below transonic flight.

By the time you start to hear what I interpret as the "whizz" sound, at 0.24 seconds, the bullet is already over 200 meters away, and the muzzle blast has already travelled 84 meters. I think any sounds heard by this time would have to be reflections/reverberations caused by the shock wave and muzzle blast bouncing of the ground, trees, barns, people, etc. The shock wave itself only lasts several microseconds, and the muzzle blast several milliseconds, so most of what you hear is reverberation anyway.

I can't speak to the barns and people (whom I think absorb more sound waves then reflect), but about the grass and trees I can say that those are sound absorbers not reflectors.

For fun, I found a study that had grass and soil acoustic test results (weirdly the 2014 study was sponsored by the US Army). In these images, '1' is total absorption of sound at a given frequency. Unfortunately the graphs don't go beyond 2000 Hz, and the shots look like they go to 10 kHz.