Failed Trump Assassination Attempt

[aragorn]

In one of his latest videos, Martenson mentioned the YouTuber 'Spa Guy', who has flown his drone at the site. Check out the excellent footage below, I think it can be helpful in clarifying many things we've been pondering over here. His footage may also be helpful for anyone doing a 3D model.

 

[Niall]

In the video, you can see the white spot in the window moving to the right. As Dave keeps panning to the right, you see a girl and a guy in a white shirt walking away. They had crossed in front of the camera at ~4:06. I think this white spot is a reflection of the guy's shoulder walking by the window.

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You're probably right. It's a reflection of someone passing outside. Makes a lot more sense, now that we've seen (roughly) the window's height from the ground floor on the inside. It's way too dark inside (relative to the bright sunshine outside) for the camera to clearly pick up someone moving a ways back in the room.

 

[Joe]

It does if you're intended to discriminate between the two, as it seems you're trying to do with these bullet sounds, if I'm reading the dynamics and interactions in this thread correctly.

I'm not trying to differentiate the two. A supersonic bullet will potentially make three sounds: the muzzle blast from the exploding of the cap that propels the bullet, a crack from it passing the sound barrier, and a "whizz" as it passes close by. Those are three separate sounds that MAY be heard separately depending on several factors.

 

[Ruth]

Secret Service has it's first press conference. Apparently it was the 1st time that the SS counter-snipers have protected the former President. Why? Because of Iran. Yes, really. Apparently Iran is now really, really dangerous. Just now, of all times.

 

[Niall]

Comedy break

JP Sears: Why it was NOT an inside job!

 

[seek10]

Secret Service has it's first press conference. Apparently it was the 1st time that the SS counter-snipers have protected the former President. Why? Because of Iran. Yes, really. Apparently Iran is now really, really dangerous. Just now, of all times.

I would say 'WoW'. Some interesting points from the video:

- Trump never had SS protection for the last 2 years even when he is in New york with High-raise building and thousands of windows open and so many guns. Protecting Trump in New york is LOT more difficult with so many demoncrats all over the city. All FBI is saying is lie including they don't have radio connection. They don't want to release the transcripts, so they are making it look like 'innoncent , once in a blue moon negligence' that can be blamed on 'harmonal period' and any body who asks questions are racist, anti-feminist and what ever. Obviously, they didn't have any contingency plan of narration that tells us it is hurried operation before RNC.

This raises the question of why PTB decided to do it in Butler. It is obvious after 1st debate debacle. What makes mind boggling is the preparations for capturing the exploding brain ( camera guy) and transmitting on public televisions ( CNN covering the event after a long time or first time what ever), block rock stock market shorting etc.

'Move on to Iran' orders is expected, But, no body is saying Israel is behind Trump's assassination attempt. Even Fox News wont do it.
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For the sake of speculation, What would have happened if the Trump really got killed with all that exploding head footage. Most of it speculated here and other places. Obviously Psychos would have head explosion parties, demoncrats would have early Halloween with shooting pumpkins instead of carving it, Taylor swift and all this 'one eye' industry uses that as material to re-traumatize the public as if it is 911 all over again for a different cause. Nikki would have become RNC candidate, blame it on Iran and go for Iran war. There is will be reaction from 'Right', if not, create one and more controls or even military rule, rig the election (any way they will do) whoever is the next candidate. Then what? Another 4 years of same horror but 'on steroids' until the inevitable "Gods" does their cleanup job and few people wakes up by the time?

When we looked at the timelines of the shooting and add 1 hr delay of Trumps arrival, the patsy hanging around with binocular in advance all make sense. If there was no delay, probably all the Patsy footage wouldn't have been there. Now, they are using Patsy footage as a proof. Still it was a damn perfect shot, Only thing is Trump had moved his head.

Other day, you tube was recommending some Anti-Trump videos whose crux of the theme is 'People are not clapping when Trump is bashing Kamala'. I didn't have energy watch it, but can guess. whatever the damn AI is, it sounded like DEI infected recommendation. People will be subjected to those beams again to digest this nonsense and go back to sleep. Then this

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Heck, my company emails reminds us of DEI, 'why we should support Israel' and so on, sent a reminder of 'Calm down, be united' message and literally no body even talked about this shooting at work. Well, I guess we are in fast moving like in C's phrase 'Place After Place'.

 

[RedFox]

Would be interesting to know if he got the same extensive FBI/black suit treatment as Dave and if the FBI took his phone (as they did with Dave). FBI would likely know who was who in all of this and would have given 'secret team' members a pass pretty quick.

As I said earlier, when I play the video of Dayve Stewert frame by frame very shortly before the first shot is heard, it seems to me that the proposed “lighted“ window opens to the inside, possibly just very slightly, maybe just enough that a gun can shoot unobstructed by the glass. Now, right before I see what appears to be a slight opening of that video, there is one frame that is blurry, possibly the one that would show this more clearly if that is what happened. So, could it be that they blurred just this one frame at the FBI or possibly removed just a couple of frames to hide exactly that?: A clearer view of the window opening? Might be interesting to ask Dayve Stewert if his video material could be analyzed at that point for things like missing frames and/or slight tampering (making certain frames blurry). A video expert could do that. Or someone else on the internet or here. I think that could be done/seen relatively easily (missing frames at least)? That part happens so fast while Dayve Stewert is shaking/turning his camera that I think no one will notice if you remove one or even several crucial frames and/or blur them. Only when you play it frame by frame you might notice it and/or if you analyze the frame count.

The thought had crossed my mind too - could the video have been altered? Or maybe they simply wanted to check that nothing was visible. A mid possibility is - nothing is visible but they messed with the footage/sound anyway to throw off investigation.

I have a feeling when it all shakes out, that it will be right in front of our noses. One thing I have looked at on those videos is the vents as well as the hole to the bottom right of the third window (between the window and the air conditioning unit). Maybe that's implausible - but I figure it could be a possibility (even if remote).
Just to stretch that tangent further - I remember an episode of Deep Space 9, in which there was an assassin with a sniper rifle that transported the bullet. Meaning it didn't pass through walls (or windows), but just materialised the other side of any objects. Ok - put that one at the bottom of the list of more simple possibilities.

Back to the 3D modelling. I've got the hang of the software now, and knows what throws it off (lots of manual work needed to sync up some frames).
One thing that would be helpful would be a collection of videos/photos (from multiple angles) of Trump on the stage just before/during/after the shots on him (best if they all capture the exact same moment - either the first or second shot). I have some, but the more the better. If you can see the stage that helps a lot, but not all of them have too.
I have a handful, but it's possible I missed some.

 

[hlat]

I think from a tinkering and fake video viewpoint, the earliest videos are the most reliable, and the videos that came out weeks later or passed through FBI custody are less reliable.

 

[msasa79]

I'm not trying to differentiate the two.

Thanks for stating that, then it seems it doesn't matter.

And instead of simply asking, as I apparently lost your line of thought and argument vis-a-vis the bullet sounds, I went into a wise-acring safe-auto-mode. So to correct for that: what's the perceived argument about the bullet sounds, i.e. what is the hypothesis you're "defending" or "disproving" with the bullet sounds videos earlier?

 

[Joe]

And instead of simply asking, as I apparently lost your line of thought and argument vis-a-vis the bullet sounds, I went into a wise-acring safe-auto-mode. So to correct for that: what's the perceived argument about the bullet sounds, i.e. what is the hypothesis you're "defending" or "disproving" with the bullet sounds videos earlier?

Basically, in Dave's recording of the shooting about 20meters in front of him either on top of or in the building (or both), I can hear a "whizz" sound from the first three bullets (allegedly fired by Crooks), suggesting that they are passing by close enough to his camera for it to pick up the sound of the bullets passing by, rather than just the sound of the bullet firing or a supersonic "crack". I don't hear that "whizz" from the 5 subsequent bullets (also allegedly fired by Crooks), suggesting the first 3 were closer to him than the other 5, suggesting to different firing positions, ADDED: or, that Crooks changed the angle of his shots after the first 3. Those being downward, the others being more horizontal.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I think one of the most curious things about that day is the van. Jon Malis, who took the video where you see Crooks turning towards the camera, says Crooks's neighbors had never seen it at the house before.

This guy's vid has interview footage with the guy in front of whose house the van was parked which I hadn't seen before. He says it had Arizona plates:

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Basically, in Dave's recording of the shooting about 20meters in front of him either on top of or in the building (or both), I can hear a "whizz" sound from the first three bullets (allegedly fired by Crooks), suggesting that they are passing by close enough to his camera for it to pick up the sound of the bullets passing by, rather than just the sound of the bullet firing or a supersonic "crack". I don't hear that "whizz" from the 5 subsequent bullets (also allegedly fired by Crooks), suggesting the first 3 were closer to him than the other 5, suggesting to different firing positions.

I'm still not sure what you mean by the bullet "passing by" the camera/mic. At around 900m/s, it would take the bullet 0.022 seconds to travel 20 m towards him. By the time you start to hear what I interpret as the "whizz" sound, at 0.24 seconds, the bullet is already over 200 meters away, and the muzzle blast has already travelled 84 meters. I think any sounds heard by this time would have to be reflections/reverberations caused by the shock wave and muzzle blast bouncing of the ground, trees, barns, people, etc. The shock wave itself only lasts several microseconds, and the muzzle blast several milliseconds, so most of what you hear is reverberation anyway. Plus, between the first 3 shots and the next 5, Dave runs several feet to the east, changing the angles of the sounds reaching his mic (whether or not they are coming from two different sources).

Found a paper on ballistic flow of subsonic projectiles. With a subsonic bullet you hear a Doppler effect: a specific tone as the bullet approaches and passes, with the tone lowering as it goes away from you. They found that projectiles at low velocity (45 and 152 m/s) produced sounds of "vortex shedding" producing distinct tones or "whistles" at various frequencies (a "tonal Doppler signature"). At transonic speeds (in this case, still subsonic, at 244-274 m/s) you don't get tones but "buzzing" instead. (There's a distinct but very brief whistle on shot #9 in Dave's vid, but you have to slow it down to hear it. This is the one that reportedly came from the Butler ESU guy standing by the closest barn, which would've passed very close over Dave's position.)

The reason you don't hear a whistle on a supersonic round is that the first thing you hear is the shock wave, and that's after the bullet has already passed you. The only possibility I can imagine is that after the sonic boom, you might be able to hear the sound waves pushing out behind the bullet, like the tail end of a Doppler effect. But in all the controlled recordings I found, where the supersonic bullet passes very close to the microphone and you have a good idea of the velocities involved, you can't hear that. If it's there, it's so close following the shock wave that it's practically indistinguishable and very short in duration.

 

[Benjamin]

The reason you don't hear a whistle on a supersonic round is that the first thing you hear is the shock wave, and that's after the bullet has already passed you. The only possibility I can imagine is that after the sonic boom, you might be able to hear the sound waves pushing out behind the bullet, like the tail end of a Doppler effect.

Just so I understand, is this what you're talking about? You can't hear the 'whiz' because it's being shielded by the cone of 'crack' (sounds like a drug joke somehow.) until the bullet speed becomes subsonic...or is that transonic?



So, if the first three shots have the supersonic 'crack' but also have the 'whiz' going over (which I hear, too, in Dave's video), could that mean that the supersonic bullets were fired from a further distance and that, by the time they got to Dave's microphone, were travelling at subsonic speeds? The church steeple northwest of the AGR site, across the street from the convenience store, perhaps? (I looked already and, although interesting, the trees might be in the way, the angles are off and it's too exposed, imo. There's also a derelict 'barn' type building on a similar line but, as a possible site, I think it's too low and again trees and angles.)

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Just so I understand, is this what you're talking about? You can't hear the 'whiz' because it's being shielded by the cone of 'crack' (sounds like a drug joke somehow.) until the bullet speed becomes subsonic...

Not really. Imagine you're standing just below that bullet in the picture. The bullet will pass your head, then the shock wave will pass your head. That's when you hear the shock wave. Then you are "behind" the shock wave, within the Mach angle. I'm speculating about what will be heard immediately after the shock wave passes. Will that vortex trailing the bullet be audible? If so, it seems like it will be very short, based on recordings of supersonic bullets. It won't trail on like the whistle of a subsonic bullet. For reference, search videos for some videos of jets going supersonic. You hear nothing, then the sonic boom, then the roar of the jets. Basically, I'm wondering if there is an equivalent of the jet engines for a bullet, but it seems that supersonic bullets don't throw of much sound behind them as they get farther away from you.

or is that transonic?

Transonic is just a range above and below Mach where some air flow will create both subsonic and supersonic sounds. Like in the video I posted, he guy pointed out that even subsonic revolver bullets will give off tiny sonic booms because tiny bits of air are accelerating of the surface of the bullet, or something like that. I'm guessing that might account for the "buzzing" of the transonic musket ball in the paper I linked to.

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So, if the first three shots have the supersonic 'crack' but also have the 'whiz' going over (which I hear, too, in Dave's video), could that mean that the supersonic bullets were fired from a further distance and that, by the time they got to Dave's microphone, were travelling at subsonic speeds?

I doubt it. The supersonic cracks are still audible by the time the bullets reach Trump's mic a further 100 meters away or so.

 

[aragorn]

'Dave' on X just posted a link to video footage (not his own) that I don't recall seeing before. They guy filming starts recording a moment before the last shot, and then shows the aftermath from where he and his buddies are situated near the podium. I haven't yet watched it in detail but one of the things you see clearly is how the windows of the two storey building are, indeed, open. Another minor detail is that the opening at the second fence was created after the shooting by ramming the police car against it. For anyone with energy and time, maybe a frame by frame analysis could provide something interesting.