George Floyd's Death, Protests and Riots across the US
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When you say 'people', from the context of your reply, it reads as the majority of the human population on Earth. And what you're saying seems perfectly logical on a first glance, but if we take into the consideration the true condition of human population, through the history that is now known to us, through Laura's work and of this group- the history of constant manipulation from outside sources, from the inner ones like psychopaths, knowing what we've learned about 'evolution' itself (engineered, created outside of this realm and then being 'put on Earth' over and over again,)... Do you think it's possible how the 'evolution of people' is also reflective of all of that, instead of being some natural process of 'people pushing to change and improve things'?
And I'm not making an argument how ALL of the changes came to be explicitly from the STS side of the push, ofcourse not, but if you examine history and pick up so called 'positive changes and progress', was it really an action of majority of the population pushing for the improvement of the overall conditions of their lives or it was mostly, if not exclusively, about one person or a small group 'inventing', and 'discovering' it and then the rest of the people followed, to whatever degree?
I may be wrong, but that's not what I read from primeaddict post. I read it as stating how none of us are here to fix anything or anyone but ourselves. And to share the knowledge we gathered, along the way, if appropriate and asked for. You are mixing all the fruits into one basket. There's a huge difference between fixing your own set of inner problems or those of the current society. The only positive change comes from within, always have, always will.
Again you are mixing two completely different things. Most of the people do want to 'improve' their lives, but only externally. Search for knowledge and inner work is ANYTHING but light fun and easy effort on this 3D Earth. It's much MUCH more difficult and painful and devastating than getting up and slogging through the day! Or screaming on the streets and social networks about justice.
From my perspective the improvements come from the top down, from soul progress to social progress. Karma is the river of cause/effect that we swim in and social changes has to occur first from our soulfulness before it can change our karmic existence. Any attempt to change from the bottom up will be swept away by the unmitigated karma.
Slavery was a common and widely practiced among all cultures. The Christians were the most ardent proponents of abolition. Their moral outrage against widespread slavery soon gained the upper hand. I see this as the soul awakening of the religious mind that caused the change.
The current demands for social change is not a ground swell of soul awakening but rather a pathological attack against the current karmic state we are in. To further clarify my point on karma, I do not see any change is possible because it lacks the soul force and it lack moral integrity. The riots and looting blew away any moral integrity of these grievances. I am not against social change. I am against force social change by the people of the lie!
My bottom-line is our life is about the soul not about our body. The externals are mirrors of our internals. The C's have pointed out that during these end-times that we are to put our energies and resources toward soul growth and karmic reduction and minimal effort toward survivalism.
To our better soulfulness
Color
Jedi Council Member
Croatian men, for as long as I've lived, often moved to Germany for work and good pay, then sending back home some portion of that money, to their families. When I was a kid, there was a joke circling around, something along these lines: In rural Germany, if your neighbor buys cows and start earning good money, one works double hard to buy even more cows. In Croatia, if your neighbor accomplishes the same, you simply jump over the fence at night and kill all of his cows.
1peacelover, you've received a few insightful responses already but I'd like to add mine as well. You said you've read most posts in this thread, yet you seem to have missed the main point: this isn't a race issue but an issue of police brutality that affects all races. Note that there have been multiple cases where the roles were reversed. Take this case of a white woman shot by a black police officer. In the light of this, I don't understand why you insist on making it a race problem?
It is the media and powers behind the scenes that want to divide people into races which are hostile towards each other. You may have seen the same 'divide and conquer' tactics before when liberal feminists wanted to start a gender war by driving a wedge between men and women. The same strategy was used: portraying one group as a victim and the other one as a violent and privileged bully through manipulation of data, digging up historical dirt and playing on people's emotions. There's an interesting thread on the forum about this here.
Bear in mind that psychopaths like to stick to well-tested modus operandi, which is why the same tactic is being utilised now. It is therefore absolutely crucial to be extra vigilant in our assessment of a situation when we find ourselves to be a part of the group that the media falsely portrays as a victim (women, black people, etc.) or a bully (men, white people, etc.).
In both cases there is a danger of becoming overly identified and therefore being swept away by the wave of hysteria - which is exactly what the creators of this narrative are after.
Are you going to let them win by focusing on the race issue and allowing the actual problem to remain unaddressed?
If you seek justice and not revenge I'd suggest taking a closer look at the Democratic party who, through their policies, have deliberately kept black communities hovering around the poverty line for decades in order to ensure consistent voter base. The process is well-described and put in context in Liberal Fascism, among many other resources. And it is the cycle of poverty that is responsible for high crime rates and black on black murders, which are much higher than white on black murders by police officers.
Note that Democrats now take the knee in front of BLM protesters. Hypocritical much?
Referring to the above mentioned modus operandi, I'm not a black person but I am a woman. And having analysed available data, statistics and my own experiences I refuse to agree that I am a victim of gender pay gap, toxic masculinity, glass ceiling and a patriarchal social structure. Have I ever been in situations that I could use as evidence of my own female victimhood? Of course! But a few exceptions do not make it a rule - and I wear my female skin 24/7.
Moreover, Candace Owens, who wears her black skin 24/7 just like you, happens to have a different view to yours on George Floyd. So it's not like people see this issue differently just becuase they're not black.
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I think the point you've been missing, SOTTREADER, is that the "demonstrators in Germany" Nachtweide has mentioned were mostly born later than 1980 into a society where heaping historical guilt on young people is the primary instrument of control ever since 1945.
Her sentence "There are no perpetrators in Germany because we knew neither a racist problem nor slavery" is obviously directed at the situation in present-day Germany (knowing that her family only migrated to this country in the 1960's).
I think she didn't state that Germany did not have a history 'around racism'.
While I must commend you for meticulously exploring the colonial history of the Prussian/German Empire I think it is fair to say that before the migration waves starting in the 1990s there was no racist problem in Germany because there was no race other than one.
Leftist German educators and media will of course fiercely deny that because they have convinced themselves that all Germans are innately racist, which a large portion of young people may actually believe.
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but it's Tucker Carlson's update on Seattle and the new nation of CHAZ.One of the funniest and insightful monologues I've probably ever seen on mainstream media. Well worth the watch.
I laughed really hard, thank you for sharing. Carlson is right, we do need humor more than ever at this moment in time, I would say doubly for the people in the US who live through all the madness. And he is so on point with everything! Truth and humor make the best combination for sanity protection and for the good of the soul.
Something within me stops me from get up caught in all this social and cultural divide. The manipulation is glaring front and center for those with eyes to see, the programming, the social and political machine, strangely it seems to be so effective in the thinking and behavior affecting the Western world of influence.
A word of ideas propagated on the minds of a population propagated in a population, with such concept of LAW and negating the concept of being in the world, without judgement, to learn, to observe, and with those observations, to learn from the past.
Now statues that represent different points in the culture of humanity on this world, are being destroyed, madness, how can future generations learn from these errors and memories of the past if they no longer exists,.
The thought that is running through my mind is, I am living through so many movies playing like a continuous movie, one after another, all playing at the same time, 1984,The Matrix, V for Vendetta, all with nuances for the time we are currently living through, culminating in the Brave New World novel by Aldous Huxley, now rebranded as Agenda 2021 and beyond OSIT
This is created chaos, all these acts of socio political terrorism. The absurd idea to de-fund police departments (propagated on the agenda of a Soros organization) is madness, how will civil society function without some social recourse to manage aberrant social behavior, for the most part, seems to have worked for at least the last 200 years, maybe less in the US, if one considers the history of the "Wild West".
I also get the sense, that this is exactly where this chaos is going, create a false pandemic, social and cultural restrictions, destroy the very foundation of social and human contact, destroy spiritual beliefs (the burning of Notre Dame, I find symbolic). To bring humanity to their knees (note that symbolic gesture, by many leaders) in order to bring some order in the chaos created by design by many differing pathologically deranged individuals, all seeking their own agenda.
They want in their wishful thinking (IMO) to bring humanity to their knees, because, they have no other recourse, other than to accept. They have lost jobs, small businesses destroyed, many have taken decades to develop a loyal community base. The list goes on and on. The total dependence on the state for all needs, they are not printing all this fiat currency and promises for nothing.
There are many issues and dynamics in play with this whole scenario, and to my mind, that phrase from a song that is running through my mind is "We Ain't Seen Nothing Yet"
We are living in interesting times, enjoy the show, like a big top Barnum and Baily Circus. "It's the Greatest Show on Earth"
A word of ideas propagated on the minds of a population propagated in a population, with such concept of LAW and negating the concept of being in the world, without judgement, to learn, to observe, and with those observations, to learn from the past.
Now statues that represent different points in the culture of humanity on this world, are being destroyed, madness, how can future generations learn from these errors and memories of the past if they no longer exists,.
The thought that is running through my mind is, I am living through so many movies playing like a continuous movie, one after another, all playing at the same time, 1984,The Matrix, V for Vendetta, all with nuances for the time we are currently living through, culminating in the Brave New World novel by Aldous Huxley, now rebranded as Agenda 2021 and beyond OSIT
This is created chaos, all these acts of socio political terrorism. The absurd idea to de-fund police departments (propagated on the agenda of a Soros organization) is madness, how will civil society function without some social recourse to manage aberrant social behavior, for the most part, seems to have worked for at least the last 200 years, maybe less in the US, if one considers the history of the "Wild West".
I also get the sense, that this is exactly where this chaos is going, create a false pandemic, social and cultural restrictions, destroy the very foundation of social and human contact, destroy spiritual beliefs (the burning of Notre Dame, I find symbolic). To bring humanity to their knees (note that symbolic gesture, by many leaders) in order to bring some order in the chaos created by design by many differing pathologically deranged individuals, all seeking their own agenda.
They want in their wishful thinking (IMO) to bring humanity to their knees, because, they have no other recourse, other than to accept. They have lost jobs, small businesses destroyed, many have taken decades to develop a loyal community base. The list goes on and on. The total dependence on the state for all needs, they are not printing all this fiat currency and promises for nothing.
There are many issues and dynamics in play with this whole scenario, and to my mind, that phrase from a song that is running through my mind is "We Ain't Seen Nothing Yet"
We are living in interesting times, enjoy the show, like a big top Barnum and Baily Circus. "It's the Greatest Show on Earth"
bianca etezete
Dagobah Resident
You are right about Namibia and all. But isn't it interesting, that Namibia kept almost all german Street signs...? And not only that: They like the Germans! Why? Because they brought a lot of infrastructure to the country (yes, and so did the british and the french et al aswell), which are still in use today. So for me that doesn't seem to be a sign of much unforgivable cruelty there... of course every cruelty is one too much, but I think you know what I mean?I believe Germany had a colonial history albeit not one that could rival Britain and France.
I think it's first concentration camp was in Namibia.
Herero and Nama genocide - Wikipedia
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Namibia’s Herero take Germany to US court over ‘forgotten genocide’
It’s been called the precursor to the Holocaust, and the "forgotten genocide". The massacre of the Herero and Nama people at the hands of colonialists in German South West Africa - know known as Namibia…www.france24.com
List of former German colonies - Wikipedia
Not disputing what you posted, just stating it's factually incorrect to state Germany didn't have a history around racism or whatever that didn't involve the Nazis.
Funnily I had a talk with a very nice customer of ours a fortnight ago, of course the initial start of the conversation was corona... She told me she was in Namibia on holiday for seven weeks or so. wonderful country, very nice peeps she told me. She also mentioned the german street signs. But when she came back, she had to go into quanrantine for two weeks, although in Namibia corona was no topic at all.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
You know, I spent some time writing some responses to the latest replies of things I said previously.
But then a voice inside me was like, "Why spend all this energy? What's the point? You already know the outcome..."
I already know where people stand, what the consensus is... I know this is seen as the objective truth.
This objective truth I guess makes sense, but others sadly haven't received the memo of this truth. They have a different memo, a different objective truth.
I worry, I worry a bit too much about the divide of these 2 groups of people with their different objective truths.
They are so against each other that it gives me anxiety. I try and sort of like build a bridge between the two, but this is a lot of work.
In the end actually, each side has said they are willing to bet everything on the way they see things. Everything.
So they say now only conflict awaits.
I guess, I'm now at the point of okay. Let the chips fall where they may.
In the end, let's see which side wins.
From my point of view, I was taught in war, no one wins, everyone loses.
That's my closing statement on this subject.
But then a voice inside me was like, "Why spend all this energy? What's the point? You already know the outcome..."
I already know where people stand, what the consensus is... I know this is seen as the objective truth.
This objective truth I guess makes sense, but others sadly haven't received the memo of this truth. They have a different memo, a different objective truth.
I worry, I worry a bit too much about the divide of these 2 groups of people with their different objective truths.
They are so against each other that it gives me anxiety. I try and sort of like build a bridge between the two, but this is a lot of work.
In the end actually, each side has said they are willing to bet everything on the way they see things. Everything.
So they say now only conflict awaits.
I guess, I'm now at the point of okay. Let the chips fall where they may.
In the end, let's see which side wins.
From my point of view, I was taught in war, no one wins, everyone loses.
That's my closing statement on this subject.
This Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone reminded me the session that included the "5D city on a hill".
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but it's Tucker Carlson's update on Seattle and the new nation of CHAZ.
Heather
Dagobah Resident
In the video below, this sheriff of Polk County, Florida, is making it very clear he has no tolerance for rioters (identified by their license plates as coming from out of town) coming into his county in order to start trouble. He shows a picture of one of these "professionals," pointing out the type of gear they are sporting that makes them impervious to tear gas and other chemical agents.
To illustrate his resolve, Sheriff Grady tells how the police got word that they were going to come under attack by such elements at Posner Park, but because the police were there first they were able to stop the few cars that did show up, making one arrest while several other cars fled. The sheriff commended the highway patrol for the "marvelous" job they did in chasing down and arresting a few more.
He goes on to state that the police of Polk County intend on protecting the constitutional rights of peaceful protestors. He even states they encourage such protests. "But," he continues, "for those who want to come in stealthfully among those wonderful people who are simply making their position known, [to] the ones that try to infiltrate: we're gonna' hunt you down and lock you up if you engage in any criminal conduct."
On the curfew that was then in effect, he states:
"Under the power of the sheriff, we're going to extend the curfew one more night. It'll begin at 8 p.m. this evening, and it will last 'til five in the morning. The reason for that is clear. We've had criminal conduct afoot. We've had citizens injured. We've had windows broken. And we've had other attempts at assaulting law enforcement officers, and assaulting buildings, that we repelled. And there are curfews in other communities, and certainly we don't want to create a vacuum for people to come here when there is a curfew in another area. I've spoken with the mayor of Lakeland, and the Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners, and shared with them that under the authority of the sheriff -- the constitutional authority of the sheriff -- that I would extend still one more night that curfew. Make no misunderstanding, if you're coming home from work, or you're trying to get to work, or you need to go to the hospital, this curfew's not for you. It's for those lawless people that would wreak havoc in the communities."
As for citizens (with guns) protecting their homes:
"We've also received information on social media -- now, first and foremost, I don't accept on face value anything in social media. But we have received information on social media that some of the criminals were going to take their criminal conduct into the neighborhoods. I would tell them if you value your life you probably shouldn't do that in Polk County. Because the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns, and they're going to be in their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So leave the community alone. And we'll do our best to support the community."
Notice that he's not even recommending that the home owner call 911.
He continues:
"But, ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake about it, all of that ugliness has taken away from what we're united about [referring to how George Floyd's life was taken "with a knee to the neck"]. It's horrific, and there's not enough words to explain that. Let's keep the focus on that. Let's keep the focus on him as the victim. And on our need to not only be accountable as professional law enforcement agencies across this country, but for the community to also help us to be accountable."
Actually, the first comment on Youtube re: this video states:
"In Lakeland white folks and black folks like guns. It makes for a polite city."
This brings up a compelling question for this forum:
If radical, armed thugs show up at our homes to either vandalize or take away our home in order to "repurpose" the property as they see fit: what are we to do? Especially if police activity is already curtailed, and a call to 911 is no longer effective?
How can one any longer say to oneself: "this is not about us. We cannot let ourselves be manipulated in this way."
So, how do people here feel about this? Are you considering arming yourselves so you can protect your home and your family? If not, how are you thinking about such a possible turn of events?
This is pretty frightening stuff.
To illustrate his resolve, Sheriff Grady tells how the police got word that they were going to come under attack by such elements at Posner Park, but because the police were there first they were able to stop the few cars that did show up, making one arrest while several other cars fled. The sheriff commended the highway patrol for the "marvelous" job they did in chasing down and arresting a few more.
He goes on to state that the police of Polk County intend on protecting the constitutional rights of peaceful protestors. He even states they encourage such protests. "But," he continues, "for those who want to come in stealthfully among those wonderful people who are simply making their position known, [to] the ones that try to infiltrate: we're gonna' hunt you down and lock you up if you engage in any criminal conduct."
On the curfew that was then in effect, he states:
"Under the power of the sheriff, we're going to extend the curfew one more night. It'll begin at 8 p.m. this evening, and it will last 'til five in the morning. The reason for that is clear. We've had criminal conduct afoot. We've had citizens injured. We've had windows broken. And we've had other attempts at assaulting law enforcement officers, and assaulting buildings, that we repelled. And there are curfews in other communities, and certainly we don't want to create a vacuum for people to come here when there is a curfew in another area. I've spoken with the mayor of Lakeland, and the Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners, and shared with them that under the authority of the sheriff -- the constitutional authority of the sheriff -- that I would extend still one more night that curfew. Make no misunderstanding, if you're coming home from work, or you're trying to get to work, or you need to go to the hospital, this curfew's not for you. It's for those lawless people that would wreak havoc in the communities."
As for citizens (with guns) protecting their homes:
"We've also received information on social media -- now, first and foremost, I don't accept on face value anything in social media. But we have received information on social media that some of the criminals were going to take their criminal conduct into the neighborhoods. I would tell them if you value your life you probably shouldn't do that in Polk County. Because the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns, and they're going to be in their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So leave the community alone. And we'll do our best to support the community."
Notice that he's not even recommending that the home owner call 911.
He continues:
"But, ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake about it, all of that ugliness has taken away from what we're united about [referring to how George Floyd's life was taken "with a knee to the neck"]. It's horrific, and there's not enough words to explain that. Let's keep the focus on that. Let's keep the focus on him as the victim. And on our need to not only be accountable as professional law enforcement agencies across this country, but for the community to also help us to be accountable."
Actually, the first comment on Youtube re: this video states:
"In Lakeland white folks and black folks like guns. It makes for a polite city."
This brings up a compelling question for this forum:
If radical, armed thugs show up at our homes to either vandalize or take away our home in order to "repurpose" the property as they see fit: what are we to do? Especially if police activity is already curtailed, and a call to 911 is no longer effective?
How can one any longer say to oneself: "this is not about us. We cannot let ourselves be manipulated in this way."
So, how do people here feel about this? Are you considering arming yourselves so you can protect your home and your family? If not, how are you thinking about such a possible turn of events?
This is pretty frightening stuff.
George Floyd's Death, Protests and Riots across the US
This is sickening. When a trucker stops because of a mob. https://files.catbox.moe/h1mqif.mp4 Heard one woman keep shouting, "kill him!". Do you have any idea where that happened?
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That's right.
I've finally caught up on this thread. I've passed through a spectrum of emotions, disgust, anger, and finally the humour of the situation, especially in Seattle at the moment.
I lived in San Francisco in the 1980s and was assaulted on a transit bus for the sin of being white. The bus was loaded with high school students whose school had just won some big football match. They were all black teenagers. When I got on the bus it was empty and I sat near the back (don't ask me why?!?). As they piled on my gut alarms went off and I did my best to get to the back door. I was jostled around, pushed and then a you black girl called me an f-ing white bitch and punched me in the face. I can still see the hatred in her eyes fueled by the mob mentality. I finally escaped when someone kicked me so hard in my butt it knocked me out the back door and onto the sidewalk.
I was born and raised in Canada back before there was the degree if immigration that has transpired in the last 20-30 years, in a small northern town where the factions were between the English-speaking and the French speaking. There were no black folks, some first nations and the rest were white. If there was any bigotry it was about what mother tongue you spoke which is SO ridiculous looking back. I had no reference points for oppression by people with colour of skin by people of another and all of the social programming that goes with that. So I was not up to speed on my "white privilege".
I moved to the US, believing in the American dream. I love George Carlin's quote "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
However, throughout my childhood I was subjected to sexual abuse, basically a slave of the woman who birthed me and her predator boyfriend. It's been really challenging to keep it below the neck with all of these people squawking about "white privilege". I spent years in therapy to deal with childhood issues, to come to terms with being hated, not because of the colour of my skin but because I exist, that evil comes in all flavours. I mostly feel tired when I see all of these young folks who act like brats, parading their perceived victimhood as some badge of entitlement. So clueless! So many ideas have been presented in this thread and I am grateful for them all and for the objective perspective. Did I decide to hate all black people because of the bus incident? No. I could see that it was just teenage mob mentality and had nothing to do with me personally. Doesn't make it right, just another lesson. Like, pay more attention to your surroundings! Avoid MOBS.
I realize this is a huge canvas, all of the factors, and the ideologically possessed in the spiritual fight against human decency in this STS-run world where slavery appears to have been part of history from the get-go and I'd be lying if I said it doesn't still hit me at a visceral level. Some days this forum, the amazing posts are the only thing that help me keep my perspective and my sanity, carry on with what is in front of me, sit back and watch the show and offer gratitude for the lessons available to all of us and NOT take sides (thank you Joe for this powerful reminder). Choose the truth over the ideological obfuscation.
I lived in San Francisco in the 1980s and was assaulted on a transit bus for the sin of being white. The bus was loaded with high school students whose school had just won some big football match. They were all black teenagers. When I got on the bus it was empty and I sat near the back (don't ask me why?!?). As they piled on my gut alarms went off and I did my best to get to the back door. I was jostled around, pushed and then a you black girl called me an f-ing white bitch and punched me in the face. I can still see the hatred in her eyes fueled by the mob mentality. I finally escaped when someone kicked me so hard in my butt it knocked me out the back door and onto the sidewalk.
I was born and raised in Canada back before there was the degree if immigration that has transpired in the last 20-30 years, in a small northern town where the factions were between the English-speaking and the French speaking. There were no black folks, some first nations and the rest were white. If there was any bigotry it was about what mother tongue you spoke which is SO ridiculous looking back. I had no reference points for oppression by people with colour of skin by people of another and all of the social programming that goes with that. So I was not up to speed on my "white privilege".
I moved to the US, believing in the American dream. I love George Carlin's quote "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
However, throughout my childhood I was subjected to sexual abuse, basically a slave of the woman who birthed me and her predator boyfriend. It's been really challenging to keep it below the neck with all of these people squawking about "white privilege". I spent years in therapy to deal with childhood issues, to come to terms with being hated, not because of the colour of my skin but because I exist, that evil comes in all flavours. I mostly feel tired when I see all of these young folks who act like brats, parading their perceived victimhood as some badge of entitlement. So clueless! So many ideas have been presented in this thread and I am grateful for them all and for the objective perspective. Did I decide to hate all black people because of the bus incident? No. I could see that it was just teenage mob mentality and had nothing to do with me personally. Doesn't make it right, just another lesson. Like, pay more attention to your surroundings! Avoid MOBS.
I realize this is a huge canvas, all of the factors, and the ideologically possessed in the spiritual fight against human decency in this STS-run world where slavery appears to have been part of history from the get-go and I'd be lying if I said it doesn't still hit me at a visceral level. Some days this forum, the amazing posts are the only thing that help me keep my perspective and my sanity, carry on with what is in front of me, sit back and watch the show and offer gratitude for the lessons available to all of us and NOT take sides (thank you Joe for this powerful reminder). Choose the truth over the ideological obfuscation.
Well, I think what differentiates one group from another when it comes to cognizing the "objective truth" is that when one is on the road to discovering the objective truth of a situation then it begins at it's most fundamental level of NOTICING things. Even an animal, which is basically a reaction machine, has a normalcy about it where it has the capacity to notice things that keeps it in alignment with the objective world so that it can adapt and survive.
But with the other group they have pretty much lost their capacity to notice anything of objective value that is in alignment with anything that is real within the objective world. It's what we see today where even the capacity for self preservation is completely usurped when people get caught up in a collective psychoses. Nothing that is true at the most fundamental level is noticed. They have lost even the most fundamental capacity to notice things of value since they are so lost in sleep/identification and delusion that only a mad/insane reaction machine remains, a total slave to extraneous influences. I'd even say that, even though many of the second group are completely asleep like many are of the first group, they differ from those who are asleep in the first group by the fact that they are so deluded that they have even lost the capacity to dream since they are so lost in the unreality of non-existence. So, I think it's a matter of states of consciousness, of possibilities (or lack thereof) that differentiates one group from another and not "different objective truths."
