Iodine and Potassium Iodide

Ant22 said:
I got the blood tests done privately so my doctor won't know about them. I mentioned iodine to him before and got a borderline emotional lecture on thyroid damage I was bringing on myself so I much prefer to keep quiet about it. :whistle:

I would continue working in other pending issues, take only the necessary iodine that makes you feel well and repeat the tests in 3-6 months privately. Then, depending on the results, you can consider adjusting the plan and/or consulting with your physician for feedback.

Maybe it is the intense exercise? It can be a source of body stress if there are health issues. Sometimes one can tolerate a fair amount of intense exercise, but passed a threshold, the body will just collapse for days or months on end before recovering again. I noticed this specially as I got older. That is why I cut down drastically my Martial Arts practice, it was simply too much.

I've been doing this yoga program:

Richard Hittleman's Yoga: 28 Day Exercise Plan
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Hittlemans-Yoga-Exercise-Plan/dp/0553277480

It took me nearly two months, but now I'm on my 27th day and positive that I found something that works for me and not against me.
 
Rhiannon said:
My TSH is a little high at 5.22, AST 43 high, ALT 73 high, and Cholesterol (below). I have been taking Lugol's 12% this year starting in Jan. after taking 8 - 9 months off - working slowly from 1 drop to now 7 - 8 drops 5 days a week - which I seem to be tolerating very well. I didn't seem to do as well last year, perhaps from being perimenopausal (almost 55 now).

So if you're feeling better this year on the iodine, then I would adjust the dose to just take what is strictly necessary to maintain that wellness feeling. You're taking some 120mg per iodine a day, which can be too much for long-term use. Ideally it should be around 50mg or less. But more than the thyroid, it is the liver enzimes (AST 43 high, ALT 73 high) and even the cholesterol that drives my attention. Even the triglycerides are high.

Have you caught a viral infection recently? How does your diet looks like lately? Do you have any symptoms that were not there before? I would take liver support supplements such as milk thistle, glutathione, taurine and even alpha lipoic acid and repeat the tests in about 3 months.
 
Gaby said:
Rhiannon said:
My TSH is a little high at 5.22, AST 43 high, ALT 73 high, and Cholesterol (below). I have been taking Lugol's 12% this year starting in Jan. after taking 8 - 9 months off - working slowly from 1 drop to now 7 - 8 drops 5 days a week - which I seem to be tolerating very well. I didn't seem to do as well last year, perhaps from being perimenopausal (almost 55 now).

So if you're feeling better this year on the iodine, then I would adjust the dose to just take what is strictly necessary to maintain that wellness feeling. You're taking some 120mg per iodine a day, which can be too much for long-term use. Ideally it should be around 50mg or less. But more than the thyroid, it is the liver enzimes (AST 43 high, ALT 73 high) and even the cholesterol that drives my attention. Even the triglycerides are high.

Have you caught a viral infection recently? How does your diet looks like lately? Do you have any symptoms that were not there before? I would take liver support supplements such as milk thistle, glutathione, taurine and even alpha lipoic acid and repeat the tests in about 3 months.

Hi Gaby,

I did have a really bad head cold the first couple of weeks of March (hadn't had one in 3 1/2 years). The test was taken April 8th ( I did fast for 17 hours before, but did have a cup of coffee with a little coconut milk an hour before). I really feel pretty good. My diet is good. Annoyingly though I have gained a little weight around my middle (menopause? liver?).

I will reduce Iodine to a drop or 2 from now on and concentrate on liver support.

Thank you, Gaby!
 
Rhiannon said:
Gaby said:
Rhiannon said:
My TSH is a little high at 5.22, AST 43 high, ALT 73 high, and Cholesterol (below). I have been taking Lugol's 12% this year starting in Jan. after taking 8 - 9 months off - working slowly from 1 drop to now 7 - 8 drops 5 days a week - which I seem to be tolerating very well. I didn't seem to do as well last year, perhaps from being perimenopausal (almost 55 now).

So if you're feeling better this year on the iodine, then I would adjust the dose to just take what is strictly necessary to maintain that wellness feeling. You're taking some 120mg per iodine a day, which can be too much for long-term use. Ideally it should be around 50mg or less. But more than the thyroid, it is the liver enzimes (AST 43 high, ALT 73 high) and even the cholesterol that drives my attention. Even the triglycerides are high.

Have you caught a viral infection recently? How does your diet looks like lately? Do you have any symptoms that were not there before? I would take liver support supplements such as milk thistle, glutathione, taurine and even alpha lipoic acid and repeat the tests in about 3 months.

Hi Gaby,

I did have a really bad head cold the first couple of weeks of March (hadn't had one in 3 1/2 years). The test was taken April 8th ( I did fast for 17 hours before, but did have a cup of coffee with a little coconut milk an hour before). I really feel pretty good. My diet is good. Annoyingly though I have gained a little weight around my middle (menopause? liver?).

I will reduce Iodine to a drop or 2 from now on and concentrate on liver support.

Thank you, Gaby!

2 other things I will mention - may mean something or not. The last couple of months I was laying in the sauna bag a few times a week for an hour at 50C ( maybe I am not flushing the toxins out enough and my liver is overloaded ). I stopped smoking in late October because it seemed it caused phlegm to build up in my throat which gave me a sometime constant feeling of needing to clear my throat ( drove me nuts ).
 
Gaby said:
(...) Maybe it is the intense exercise? It can be a source of body stress if there are health issues. Sometimes one can tolerate a fair amount of intense exercise, but passed a threshold, the body will just collapse for days or months on end before recovering again. I noticed this specially as I got older. That is why I cut down drastically my Martial Arts practice, it was simply too much.

I've been doing this yoga program:

Richard Hittleman's Yoga: 28 Day Exercise Plan
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Hittlemans-Yoga-Exercise-Plan/dp/0553277480

It took me nearly two months, but now I'm on my 27th day and positive that I found something that works for me and not against me.

Thank you for your suggestions and the yoga program Gaby :flowers: I just bought the book and it should arrive at the beginning of May. I also started looking at yoga classes in my area and it turns out that that the educational institution where I attend my Russian classes does yoga at a very attractive cost too. They don't do beginners classes during after work hours so I think I'll do the 28 Day Plan you recommended and consider joining their false beginner level in that institution later on.

I've been attending something called 'military fitness training' run by ex-soldiers and I thought that with time I'd adjust to the intensity of it. And boy this is intense. I used to do it on Sunday mornings but that meant the rest of the day was totally unproductive because I'd literally collapse for the rest of the day - physically and mentally. So I decided weekday evening classes were a better option as I'd just go to sleep shortly afterwards. I kept going with it as apparently exercise helps keep iron levels low - and that's something I need to watch out for.

Apart from high TSH all my other test results are very good so I'll switch to less intense workout and re-test in 3 months like you said.
 
Rhiannon said:
I did have a really bad head cold the first couple of weeks of March (hadn't had one in 3 1/2 years). The test was taken April 8th ( I did fast for 17 hours before, but did have a cup of coffee with a little coconut milk an hour before). I really feel pretty good. My diet is good. Annoyingly though I have gained a little weight around my middle (menopause? liver?).

Aha! This test is not valid to evaluate cholesterol levels because you had coffee with coconut milk. So don't worry about the cholesterol. The liver tests should be accurate though. Let's see how you do with more liver support and detox. Probably your doc will suggest a short-term follow-up on the liver tests and/or even an ultrasound or viral markers. You can follow through that if suggested. For the time being don't worry about it. Just keep a note that you need to repeat this test in 3 months or so, and that you need to fast completely before the blood is drawn. Drink only water before the test.

The important thing is that you're feeling better.
 
Gaby said:
Ant22 said:
I got the blood tests done privately so my doctor won't know about them. I mentioned iodine to him before and got a borderline emotional lecture on thyroid damage I was bringing on myself so I much prefer to keep quiet about it. :whistle:


Maybe it is the intense exercise? It can be a source of body stress if there are health issues. Sometimes one can tolerate a fair amount of intense exercise, but passed a threshold, the body will just collapse for days or months on end before recovering again. I noticed this specially as I got older. That is why I cut down drastically my Martial Arts practice, it was simply too much.

I've been doing this yoga program:

Richard Hittleman's Yoga: 28 Day Exercise Plan
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Hittlemans-Yoga-Exercise-Plan/dp/0553277480

It took me nearly two months, but now I'm on my 27th day and positive that I found something that works for me and not against me.

I've also had trouble finding exercise that works for me and not against me. I typically do a combination of hiking, swimming and working out at the gym, but it seems I can't seem to find the right exercise regimen that really adds to my overall energy levels and health.

I went ahead and ordered the book you suggested. I've been wanting to try something different.
 
Ant22 said:
I've been attending something called 'military fitness training' run by ex-soldiers and I thought that with time I'd adjust to the intensity of it. And boy this is intense. I used to do it on Sunday mornings but that meant the rest of the day was totally unproductive because I'd literally collapse for the rest of the day - physically and mentally. So I decided weekday evening classes were a better option as I'd just go to sleep shortly afterwards. I kept going with it as apparently exercise helps keep iron levels low - and that's something I need to watch out for.

Apart from high TSH all my other test results are very good so I'll switch to less intense workout and re-test in 3 months like you said.

Yeah, intense workouts in the morning raise cortisol and adrenaline inducing stress-state metabolism. If you are going to do any workout, try to make sure it is mid-way through the day or in the early evening, and not in a fasted state. Glycogen stores in the liver and in muscles should be optimally formed via meals throughout the day, that way you should be able to undertake short bursts of exercise to increase metabolism without relying on stress hormone release to break down pre-existing muscle tissue for energy. This is why cardio is generally a catabolic, inherently stressful type of activity and is also associated with a variety of health conditions, namely heart attack. On a similar note, caffeine works in a similar way to exercise, and one of the reasons why people get the "jitters" and stressed out is because they do not have enough glycogen stores or dietary substrate to meet the increased metabolic requirements.

Ant22 said:
Hi Keyhole, thank you very much for all the information you provided in response to my earlier posts. I’ve been meaning to reply earlier but I started to read about PUFAs, fish/krill oil etc. and there was always something more I wanted to research before I replied. In the meantime two weeks have passed. :)

I guess PUFA toxicity is not the whole banana in my case, but rather a powerful incremental improvement and a very important piece of the puzzle. Cutting them out has really helped me a lot and I am super grateful for all your info on this topic. :flowers:
Glad it helped.
Keyhole said:
I don’t get cold hands or feet although I am in fact quite sensitive to cold. I thought about it quite a lot recently and although this may be a symptom of underactive thyroid, I've also noticed that people from the same region of Europe as me do like to turn up the heating a lot. I live with two other girls from my part of Europe and you should see my heating bills! ;) Well, either that or thyroid issues are more common back home than where I live now! :O
Hmmm, well your TSH is raised, so I would guess that there are some issues with thyroid availability nonetheless. This doesn't necessarily mean that the thyroid gland isn't working, but for whatever reason, the system is picking up on the fact that thyroid hormone is not working in cell as it should. That is my take on it anyway. From what you have said about some of your symptoms already, I wouldn't be suprised if there were elevated stress hormones on a regular basis (which can account for the "normal" body temperature". It would be worth checking internal body temperature via Dr Broda Barne's methods just to check, before and after meals etc. Fwiw, all illness other than infection generally features some defect in the mitochondrial respiration, so if it is not due to inadequate thyroid production/conversion/or utilization, it can also be a problem with one of the Krebs cycle/ electron transport chain intermediates. Could also be estrogenicity which is halting the thyroid and/or depriving tissues of O2. Additionally, I would be interested to see what your levels of Pyruvate dehydrogenase and Pyruvate decarboxylase were in comparison with lactate dehydrogenase and/or lactate, because it can simply be a B1 or Biotin deficiency which halts energy production. There are a lot of factors involved, but usually a lot of problems can be dealt with by aiming to optimize the mitochondria. The tests above are specialist tests, are likely not available publicly in Poland, and would cost you are fair amount of money to acquire in the UK (roughly £300-£500).

On the topic of cortisol/adrenaline, a major factor driving this in most people is artificial light. Blue light in and of itself can (and does) destroy mitochondria, but when exposure occurs at night time, cortisol and adrenaline and glutamate are stimulated (amongst other things), and inhibitory factors like GABA are suppressed. So this may be worth considering.

I’ve been taking glycine for a while now, I drink marrow bone broth and eat chicken soup cooked with whole pieces of chicken, including bones. I guess I’ll continue to do that!
Good stuff, keep it up!
Keyhole said:
Perhaps there is a physiological role for PUFAs in humans living in traditional winter conditions, but that has changed now IMO.
FWIW, looking back at the above seems that I might have given the wrong impression. There are physiological roles for PUFA, but what I meant to say is that PUFA in any significant quantity in the diet likely plays no beneficial role for modern humans, because we need little amounts and can synthesise some also.

Grains (especially gluten but not only that) just don’t agree with me. I feel best when I stick to meat and vegetables with occasional grainy or sweet snacks. I agree that a new approach is probably needed to combat issues that come with modern world lifestyle.
Yeah, I agree with this. Didn't mean to give the wrong impression before, because I do think that a Paleo-template is generally suitable for most people. Although by paleo, I don't necessarily mean low-carbohydrate. And I think for some people fruit is probably good aswell, as long as they don't have major issues digesting it. Basically, anything that looks tasty, can be eaten with minimal preparation (raw, boiling, frying etc) that would grow on a tree or out in the wild is probably safe if the system is working properly :). Some people seem to need a lot more carbs, some people clearly need less.

But as mentioned earlier in this thread, apparently candida overgrowth is a body's response to environmental toxicity too as it entraps hard metals and toxins keeping them away from internal organs. I had issues with candida in the past due to overprescription of antibiotics (a year and a half between 2011-12) and this coping mechanism significantly aggravated my problems.
I don't know, maybe our bodies are still going through some evolutionary process of working out the best approach to environmental changes which are very recent?
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I am interested in the details though, so my question here becomes: Why can't the body rid itself of toxins in the first place? Yeah, the environment has changed a lot and we are exposed to some nasty things. But from what I understand, the body is very adaptable, provided it has enough energy to be able to adapt. So my focus would be centred on fixing the problem of systemic energy deprivation. This is based on the idea that the body has its own innate intelligence, so as long as there is sufficient energy, the outward manifestations or symptoms should be corrected. Again, this is just a theory, but seems to match up with a lot of the research and evidence that I have looked at, and also makes logical sense IMO.

I don’t know enough to develop a well-informed opinion on this yet but what I do know is that I have felt MUCH better since I stopped taking krill oil. I have re-introduced all other supplements back into my diet and I avoid PUFAs like the plague.
Awesome! Onwards and upwards.
 
genero81 said:
I went ahead and ordered the book you suggested. I've been wanting to try something different.

Just ignore the "woman talk". The book was published way back then, but the postures are universal for both men and women.

I was very pleased with the book. To compare, I searched for video tutorials of a particular technique, in the end the simple advice in the book worked better.
 
Gaby said:
Aha! This test is not valid to evaluate cholesterol levels because you had coffee with coconut milk. So don't worry about the cholesterol. The liver tests should be accurate though. Let's see how you do with more liver support and detox. Probably your doc will suggest a short-term follow-up on the liver tests and/or even an ultrasound or viral markers. You can follow through that if suggested. For the time being don't worry about it. Just keep a note that you need to repeat this test in 3 months or so, and that you need to fast completely before the blood is drawn. Drink only water before the test.

The important thing is that you're feeling better.

Thank you, Gaby!

Dang! I ruined my test with the coffee. I can't even remember the last time I had a blood test and I wouldn't have been a coffee drinker at that time. It didn't even occur to me. The test was done through a local health fair that offers low cost test. It was so conveniently located 200 yards away to from where I live. So I don't actually have a doctor. I will have to see what I can find in the way of high fat, bacon, iodine, FIR friendly. :/

I will do the liver support supplements and get retested.
 
I have started the iodine protocol as well two weeks ago, with 12,5 mg Iodoral tablets. They feel more safe to me since I believe I still have amalgam fillings (am going to sort this issue out with a holistic dentist). Also, I believe I react to iodine strongly (when starting to use iodized natural salt in the end of 2015, my energy seemed to be elevated - and that was just a tiny bit of iodine compared to the one in the protocol).

After my last post here in this thread almost one year back, I had another test of my thyroid done (last September). Luckily, there were no hot nodules. The TSH was still a bit elevated but considered normal by the physician, not even subclinical anymore. I also managed to get a Berkey filter system for my flat share. And when at my parents' place, I can use the reverse osmosis filter they have there.

So I started taking one tablet of Iodoral every second day two weeks ago; then from Sunday to Thursday last week I took one every day; now I am back at taking one only every second day. With it I also take:

Before breakfast:

*1/2 teaspoon salt with warm water in the morning
*1 capsule magnesium malate (425 mg)
*1 capsule glutathione (500 mg)

With breakfast:


*two caps Curcumin with Pepper (800 mg curcumin in total)
* 1 capsule D3 ("Super D3 2000 UI")
* 1 capsule Omega 3 (100mg)
* 1 tablet selenium (200 mcg)

Directly after breakfast:
1 iodoral tablet (12,5 mg)

In the afternoon:
3 capsules vitamin C (3000 mg); 1 or 2 teaspoons of glycine in warm water (sometimes with vitamin C powder; in this case I only take 2 additional capsules of vitamin C)

Before bed:
1 capsule magnesium malate (425 mg), 1 capsule of zinc gluconate (25 mg)

On iodine free days I do not take either glutathione or glycine, and sometimes not the curcumin also. The vitamin C I take with breakfast then (3000 mg).

Symptoms so far: After taking iodoral for the first time (which was around noon on that day due to not having had breakfast) I recognized more energy in the afternoon and the evening especially. But the next morning I woke up with a slight headache, which worsened over the day (it also was the day before my period started). Then there was a kind of mental sluggishness as well, which lasted several days. Noticing that now as going on and off - some days I feel more focused, other days more sluggish with not so much awareness and the feeling of not having enough control over myself.

A tiny, slight headache seems to be present most of the time now. Maybe it comes from detoxing stuff. I am not drinking very much in general, now I try to keep track of that - which brings me to the toilet often. Also, there is a problem with constipation since I started the protocol. So I drink hot water without salt in the morning to stimulate my gut, then do the hot salt water directly after it. Not sure if this is the correct strategy for it.

What I've noticed as well, is, that I seem to become more sensitive emotionally. I tend to cry more easily and feel more vulnerable. There are feelings of depression lingering or maybe of having things brought up which I used to suppress or dissociate from. My personal and my life issues seem to be more pressing as well, like making themselves present insistently, asking to be tackled (sometimes seemingly like all at once). It strengthens my tendency to withdraw, and sometimes it makes me feel like a whiner.

Since Christmas a kind of stealth infection also seemed to go on - illness came and went continually, with the worst of it in February (diarrhea from gut bug and deep exhaustion), and lasting way into March (with a head cold towards the end of last month). Therefore I asked for seven IV-vitamin C injections from my physician, and I took one weekly, with the last on the day before starting the protocol. During the time of the injections the infections were still ongoing - maybe more of it was brought out in the open due to them, I don't know. Then, since introducing iodine, they didn't return in earnest - there was just a tiny approach from head cold again last weekend. I battled that with the help of ginger and some apple vinegar, and also focus on regular sleep and eating cycles (which is still a struggle / an ongoing process) to help keeping the infections at bay.
 
Learner said:
I have started the iodine protocol as well two weeks ago, with 12,5 mg Iodoral tablets. They feel more safe to me since I believe I still have amalgam fillings (am going to sort this issue out with a holistic dentist). Also, I believe I react to iodine strongly (when starting to use iodized natural salt in the end of 2015, my energy seemed to be elevated - and that was just a tiny bit of iodine compared to the one in the protocol).

If you are sensitive to iodine, even 12.5mg at once may be too much for you. In the heel dosing protocol for sensitive people, people are putting 1 drop of 2% Lugols on the heel of their feet so that's 2.5 mg. Even 1 drop of 5% Lugols is 6.25mg. So you are taking 2 to 5 times higher amount compared with heel dosing for sensitive people. Maybe you could consider lowering your dose.
 
hlat said:
Learner said:
I have started the iodine protocol as well two weeks ago, with 12,5 mg Iodoral tablets. They feel more safe to me since I believe I still have amalgam fillings (am going to sort this issue out with a holistic dentist). Also, I believe I react to iodine strongly (when starting to use iodized natural salt in the end of 2015, my energy seemed to be elevated - and that was just a tiny bit of iodine compared to the one in the protocol).

If you are sensitive to iodine, even 12.5mg at once may be too much for you. In the heel dosing protocol for sensitive people, people are putting 1 drop of 2% Lugols on the heel of their feet so that's 2.5 mg. Even 1 drop of 5% Lugols is 6.25mg. So you are taking 2 to 5 times higher amount compared with heel dosing for sensitive people. Maybe you could consider lowering your dose.

Learner,

While your dosage of Iodoral tablets is higher than some it may not be a problem since we are all different when it comes to sensitivity. I do notice that you are not taking some of the other co-factors such as Vitamin B2 & B3 or Chlorella/Spirulina. Besides being a "bug killer" I think of the Iodine as kind of the stir stick to release the toxins but then you need to take the co-factors to detox them from the body. I too want to consult a holistic dentist about the mercury in my amalgams.

Also recently the subject of PUFAs has been brought up and I see you are taking 1 Omeg 3 capsule. According to some research it may not be that useful to take the Omega 3 although Omega 3s are not as bad as Omega 6s which are the vegetable oils and seed oils. Omega 3s from fish oils can be difficult to keep fresh.

https://www.alexfergus.com/blog/pufa-s-the-worst-thing-for-your-health-that-you-eat-everyday said:
What about Fish oil? Thats a PUFA fat?
This question is worthy of it's own blog article (I'll get started soon!) but in the meantime here
are my thoughts. Yes there are benefits to short term use of fish oil. Especially if ones previous
diet was very high in omega 6. If this is the case then a short term bout of fish oil may help
minimise the harmful effects of the higher omega 6 levels.
However, using fish oil as a way to justify a high omega 6 diet is like fighting fire with
fire. The best method is to lower the omega 6 intake and avoid the extra PUFAs from the
omega 3.
Personally, I don't recommend fish oil supplements as you have no control over the oil
extraction process, the manufacture process and the transportation and storage of the
supplement until it arrives at your home (at which point it should be stored in the fridge). A
better way to consume fish oil would be to eat freshly caught seafood or shellfish and ensure
it's not over cooked (fresh sashimi would be a good option)
. The last thing you should be doing
with oily fish is deep frying it in vegetable oil whilst thinking it's 'healthy'.

More on PUFAs in this Iodine thread:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg708031.html#msg708031

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg708049/topicseen.html#msg708049

I don't know if these aspects relate to your situation. They are just thoughts that come to mind.
 
hlat said:
Learner said:
I have started the iodine protocol as well two weeks ago, with 12,5 mg Iodoral tablets. They feel more safe to me since I believe I still have amalgam fillings (am going to sort this issue out with a holistic dentist). Also, I believe I react to iodine strongly (when starting to use iodized natural salt in the end of 2015, my energy seemed to be elevated - and that was just a tiny bit of iodine compared to the one in the protocol).

If you are sensitive to iodine, even 12.5mg at once may be too much for you. In the heel dosing protocol for sensitive people, people are putting 1 drop of 2% Lugols on the heel of their feet so that's 2.5 mg. Even 1 drop of 5% Lugols is 6.25mg. So you are taking 2 to 5 times higher amount compared with heel dosing for sensitive people. Maybe you could consider lowering your dose.

Last year when I started with Iodine I had a very strong reaction to it. Even a tiny dose made my TSH level disrupted, Pain in the thyroid, and as you said an emotional sensitivity.
I took a break for some time and then started a heel dosing. Even then with a dose of just one or 2 drops on a heel i have sensitivity reactions. So over time i switched to oral consumption and now i can tolerate 7 drops of 5% Lugols without severe reactions.
My point is, take it very slowly and listen to your body. See how your body reacts to Lugols. Take cofactors, and especially selenium and help your body to detoxify. Very important is to help your liver with supplements to accomplish this.

We are all different and we all need a different amount of iodine. Some more some less. Find out your dosage that will be best for your body.
 
I too have the same reaction with too much Iodine, and heel dosing seems to work fine, I am currently taking one drop orally of 5% Lugol's, but it seems just a little too much for now. I add some interesting article about selenium :
  • http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/01/15/selenium-role.aspx : High-Selenium Yeast form seems very adequate for body assimilation
  • http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/selenium-disease-prevention-benefits.aspx
 

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