Iodine and Potassium Iodide

hlat said:
Nico said:
Thank you too, I just put 5% on my heel, and it seems a little harsh, I will dilute it. I think it's what you've said 40 drops for one drop of Lugol will be enough.

It's 4 drops of distilled water and 1 drop of 5% Lugol, to make 1% Lugol.

Thank you again, hlat and Nico! Now it is all clear to me so far :)
 
genero81 said:
Gaby said:
genero81 said:
I went ahead and ordered the book you suggested. I've been wanting to try something different.

Just ignore the "woman talk". The book was published way back then, but the postures are universal for both men and women.

I was very pleased with the book. To compare, I searched for video tutorials of a particular technique, in the end the simple advice in the book worked better.

The book arrived Friday afternoon but I just cracked it open this morning. I've read through day one and at once am impressed by the precision of the instruction. Seems the author really knows his stuff! I will start the 28 day plan today. I'm quite excited actually. I know I need to do something much different from what I've been doing and this might just be the thing! Thanks for the recommendation. If you have any further comments about your own experience, I would be interested. :)
Hi genero81,
Why not start a new thread with your results from starting to practice the yoga. I've ordered the book as well and will soon probably start to practice. Could be an interesting exercise
 
hlat said:
Nico said:
Thank you too, I just put 5% on my heel, and it seems a little harsh, I will dilute it. I think it's what you've said 40 drops for one drop of Lugol will be enough.

It's 4 drops of distilled water and 1 drop of 5% Lugol, to make 1% Lugol.

:/ my maths are very bad too, thank you hlat.

I supplement with what's left with nascent iodine when it got too strong, it has not a dramatic effect, positive nor negative, but it keeps my body inform about receiving iodine.
 
Learner said:
(...) Thank you for your points as well, goyacobol, and also for the links about PUFAs. I read about Ant22's experience and what Keyhole wrote and my jaw dropped! Every day there's something new to learn, indeed! Maybe it doesn't hurt to leave the omega 3 capsule out for a while and look if it has an effect on my body. PUFAs make me further think about coconut oil, which I also have occasionally. (...)

Hi Learner, I'm glad you're enjoying the iodine adventure so far! Did you leave out the omega 3 capsule in the end? Any noticeable results if you did?

There's one thing I wanted to add regarding the quoted section above: please bear in mind I have certain diagnosed conditions which I also mentioned in my previous posts that may in fact have impact on how my body processes certain foods, such as PUFA and/or krill oil. Keyhole's posts were ultra useful and they sent me on a bit of a research journey into PUFA and other things he mentioned. I guess before you make your own decisions it would be useful to do the same because as other people's experiences in this thread show, there is no 'one size fit all' solution.

It's now been 6 weeks since my first exchange with Keyhole regarding PUFA and krill oil in this thread. I must say I think he was right on the money because I've really felt great since I stopped taking krill oil and removed PUFA from my diet. In all honesty it could have also been a food allergy. People are allergic to peanuts so why not krill oil? Whatever the answer is, I am not getting anywhere near this stuff again.

There are food products that are generally bad for us, like gluten or dairy, but most people don't have to pay the price for their bad diet until later in life when the abuse has been too much and their bodies' ability to process unhealthy food diminishes. Well, I'm not one of them, I seem to have a built in bad food rejection system so my case may not be something to base dietary decisions on :)
 
Ant22 said:
Learner said:
(...) Thank you for your points as well, goyacobol, and also for the links about PUFAs. I read about Ant22's experience and what Keyhole wrote and my jaw dropped! Every day there's something new to learn, indeed! Maybe it doesn't hurt to leave the omega 3 capsule out for a while and look if it has an effect on my body. PUFAs make me further think about coconut oil, which I also have occasionally. (...)

Hi Learner, I'm glad you're enjoying the iodine adventure so far! Did you leave out the omega 3 capsule in the end? Any noticeable results if you did?

There's one thing I wanted to add regarding the quoted section above: please bear in mind I have certain diagnosed conditions which I also mentioned in my previous posts that may in fact have impact on how my body processes certain foods, such as PUFA and/or krill oil. Keyhole's posts were ultra useful and they sent me on a bit of a research journey into PUFA and other things he mentioned. I guess before you make your own decisions it would be useful to do the same because as other people's experiences in this thread show, there is no 'one size fit all' solution.

It's now been 6 weeks since my first exchange with Keyhole regarding PUFA and krill oil in this thread. I must say I think he was right on the money because I've really felt great since I stopped taking krill oil and removed PUFA from my diet. In all honesty it could have also been a food allergy. People are allergic to peanuts so why not krill oil? Whatever the answer is, I am not getting anywhere near this stuff again.

There are food products that are generally bad for us, like gluten or dairy, but most people don't have to pay the price for their bad diet until later in life when the abuse has been too much and their bodies' ability to process unhealthy food diminishes. Well, I'm not one of them, I seem to have a built in bad food rejection system so my case may not be something to base dietary decisions on :)

Learner,

I just noticed your concern about coconut oil which I use and like. It is not really a PUFA as such it is a saturated fat and only contains minimal amount of polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat. It has a high smoking point when heated as well. Olive oil is 78% monounsaturated fat oil and is a better choice than most other oils used in cooking and dressing for salads. I think we can learn more about the PUFAs and still find good alternatives.

Here is one site that has interesting facts: PUFA's: The Worst Thing For Your Health That You Eat Everyday

A short video by the same doctor on that site on YouTube is: How to Safely Recover From Vegetable Oils | Chris Masterjohn Lite

I really don't see coconut oil as bad or a PUFA. And as Ant22 mentions her case is individual to her genetics and possible allergies. I am paying attention to the PUFAs and have been without realizing they were termed PUFAs because the some of the most common ones such as corn oil, soybean oil and canola oil are vegetable oils that have been produced as GMO crops for quite awhile now.

Here is an oil chart that shows the fat contents of different oils:

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Hope this gives you more to work with.
 
goyacobol said:
(...) Learner,

I just noticed your concern about coconut oil which I use and like. It is not really a PUFA as such it is a saturated fat and only contains minimal amount of polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat. It has a high smoking point when heated as well. Olive oil is 78% monounsaturated fat oil and is a better choice than most other oils used in cooking and dressing for salads. I think we can learn more about the PUFAs and still find good alternatives.

Here is one site that has interesting facts: PUFA's: The Worst Thing For Your Health That You Eat Everyday

A short video by the same doctor on that site on YouTube is: How to Safely Recover From Vegetable Oils | Chris Masterjohn Lite

I really don't see coconut oil as bad or a PUFA. And as Ant22 mentions her case is individual to her genetics and possible allergies. I am paying attention to the PUFAs and have been without realizing they were termed PUFAs because the some of the most common ones such as corn oil, soybean oil and canola oil are vegetable oils that have been produced as GMO crops for quite awhile now. (...)

Thank you for the additional resources goyacobol. Especially the info on coconut oil and detailed breakdown of composition of different types of oils.

One line of "research" (in quotation marks since this was actually an online search performed as a personal interest, combined with reviewing information included in earlier posts in this thread) I pursued having read through Keyhole's posts involved iodine's potential ability to remove PUFA from our body cells and then escort it out of our bodies. Unfortunately I didn't get very far as there seems to be no reliable information that would confirm or disprove it. I just stitched together iodine's mechanism of action in our bodies, how it removes stored hard metals and then how it goes about killing viruses. I then combined these findings with metabolism of PUFA, where they are stored in our bodies and I loosely concluded it may in fact be the case.

Keyhole described how PUFA are stored in our cells in this post and this one.

But since I am not in any way qualified or even particularly well-informed in this area, my findings and assumptions should be taken with a table spoon (if not a bucket) of salt :) I'm only mentioning this because someone here may have some info to share that would either prove or disprove this very wild guess of mine.

Just 2 more cents from me, please take it FWIW :)
 
goyacobol said:
Learner,

I just noticed your concern about coconut oil which I use and like.

Just a note on coconut...anything. Some people cannot consume anything having to do with coconut. I'm one of them. I can't even put coconut oil on my skin as it starts itching a lot. Not everyone has this problem, but it is something to consider if you are having health problems. Try quitting it for a couple of weeks and, then, introduce it into your diet again and see if anything happens in either instance.

Everyone is different and because something can, or can't, be consumed by someone does not mean it will be the same for everyone.
 
Nienna said:
goyacobol said:
Learner,

I just noticed your concern about coconut oil which I use and like.

Just a note on coconut...anything. Some people cannot consume anything having to do with coconut. I'm one of them. I can't even put coconut oil on my skin as it starts itching a lot. Not everyone has this problem, but it is something to consider if you are having health problems. Try quitting it for a couple of weeks and, then, introduce it into your diet again and see if anything happens in either instance.

Everyone is different and because something can, or can't, be consumed by someone does not mean it will be the same for everyone.

Thanks for saying that Nienna. The NE group is working on a cookbook and it is obviously becoming more apparent that there is no one "recipe" for everyone. We will probably need a huge list of disclaimers when talking about the ingredients. The more I read this thread and other health topics it seems our genetics are a very important part of what is best for each of us.
 
It's so a great thread !
In making a turn to CassWiki, i thought that these quotes can have a place here:

Drug-, toxin-, and infection-induced characteropathy

A number of drugs, of both the legal and illegal varieties, damage the brain in ways that affect psychological understanding and personality. Lobzczewski identifies cytostatic drugs used in chemotherapy as being damaging to the phylogenetically oldest brain tissue (i.e. the parts least recently evolutionarily developed). As such, these drugs damage "the primary carrier of our instinctive substratum and basic feelings."

Persons treated with such drugs progressively tend to lose their emotional color and their ability to intuit a psychological situation. They retain their intellectual functions but become praise-craving egocentrics, easily ruled by people who know how to take advantage of this. They become indifferent to other people’s feelings and the harm they are inflicting upon them; any criticism of their own person or behavior is repaid with a vengeance. Such a change of character in a person who until recently enjoyed respect on the part of his environment or community, which perseveres in human minds, becomes a pathological phenomenon causing often tragic results.

Could this have been a factor in the case of the Shah of Iran? Again, diagnosing dead people is problematic, and the author lacks detailed data. However, this possibility should be accepted as a probability.

– Andrew M. Lobaczewski, Political Ponerology

Lobaczewski mentions that endogenous toxins (e.g. heavy metals, pesticides, food additives, industrial and household chemicals) can have similar effects. Likewise for infections that attack the brain.

When, on occasion, the mumps proceeds with a brain reaction, it leaves in its wake a discrete pallor or dullness of feelings and a slight decrease in mental efficiency. Similar phenomena are witnessed after a difficult bout with diphtheria. Finally, polio attacks the brain, more often the higher part of the anterior horns, which was affected by the process. People with leg paresis rarely manifest these effects, but those with paresis of the neck and/or shoulders must count themselves lucky if they do not. In addition to affective pallor, persons manifesting these effects usually evidence naiveté and an inability to comprehend the crux of a matter.

We rather doubt that President F.D. Roosevelt manifested some of this latter features, since the polio virus which attacked him when he was forty caused paresis to his legs. After overcoming this, years of creative activity followed. However, it is possible that his naive attitude toward Soviet policy during his last term of office had a pathological component related to his deteriorating health.

– Andrew M. Lobaczewski, Political Ponerology


https://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Characteropathy
 
I did another blood test and here are the results (on one drop of Lugol's):

FT4: 16.0 (Normal: 10.0 - 25.0)

TSH: 4.5 (0.4 - 4.0)

Anti-Tg-AB <20 (<40)

Anti-TPO-AB: <10 (<35)

Calcitonin: 2.1 (<13.8)

As you can see, my results are great! TSH is still slightly above the normal, but my doctor has no problem with it. Although, I wonder what is the true normal since the "normal" people are very iodine deficient. Perhaps the "normal" levels for our medicine is to be iodine deficient, since if you do have an adequate iodine levels you must have a little higher TSH values, in my understanding.

My old results (on 2 drops of Lugol's) can be found here.

I also did an ultrasound test and the results were interesting. Either my doctor in previous analysis made a mistake, or my two nodules are slowly dissolving, because they are not standard nodules anymore, but para-nodules or something like that. In any case, nothing to worry about, in his opinion.

So, in the end, one drop, five or less days a week, seems to be my permanent dose of Lugol's. Which, from mine and others experiences here, seems to be equally or even more potent than a pill of Iodoral, since we got stronger side effects at the beginning, and our TSH seems to stay high even with low doses.

My other hormone, FT4, actually got much better after starting the iodine protocol and remained at that level, so I can definitely recommend this protocol to other people, under condition that they should be careful with the dose.

The only bad side of iodine to me is the fact that it isn't a cure for everything and not as powerful as standard antibiotics. At least, not alone. But hopefully, we will discover other powerful things soon enough.
 
Persej said:
As you can see, my results are great! TSH is still slightly above the normal, but my doctor has no problem with it. Although, I wonder what is the true normal since the "normal" people are very iodine deficient. Perhaps the "normal" levels for our medicine is to be iodine deficient, since if you do have an adequate iodine levels you must have a little higher TSH values, in my understanding.

That is a very interesting way to look at it! My last TSH was in 10 and I'm scheduled to have another check-up tomorrow. I have done iodine a few days per week, some 3 drops or more.

We'll see.
 
My experience with bromoderma:

I had been taking Lugol’s iodine in a dose of about 6 mg a day [1 drop of Lugol’s 5%], for about a year and a half, before it triggered a serious episode of bromoderma.

In that 18 months I had definite, sometimes dramatic, detox reactions affecting my gastro-intestinal tract, lungs and sinuses. I speculate that these detox operations “soaked up” the iodine I had been taking; and only when those vital organs had been somewhat cleaned up was there enough iodine to address the bromine sequestered in my legs.

When the rash first appeared on my ankle, I did not know what it was, and tried various remedies: including hydrocortisone cream, but nothing seemed to help.

I should have started the Salt Loading Protocol right away, but I didn’t pay much attention to this little rash until it had encircled my ankle and caused ulceration.

If we are taking iodine, we should be vigilant, and not complacent!

It eventually spread to both legs, all over, and onto my knees.

During the period the rash was actively exuding toxins, I felt sluggish, achey, had some serious abdominal pain, and my feet and legs swelled up to an alarming degree. I could see that the capillaries surrounding the rash were inflamed; probably damaged and not functioning well [the medical term for this is “vasculitis”]; I speculate that in addition to the eruptions on my skin, the halogens triggered unseen damage throughout my body.

The pain and swelling was certainly related to the activation of the immune response, at least as much from the toxicity of the halides. So, what appears on the skin is just the tip of the iceberg. The skin is not the only thing that needs help and care, here.

Applying any bandage over the eruption is a MISTAKE, if the rash is halogenoderma. The liquid that weeps out from the rash seems to be what causes the itching and burning. Any bandage or dressing left on the skin will allow that liquid to build up next to the skin, which can lead to ulceration and spreading of the rash. Contact with clothing (stockings, trousers) can aggravate the condition for the same reason.

Avoid touching and scratching the rash. Leaving the skin bare in affected areas is best, if possible.

Frequent gentle washing helps, by removing the exudate, which causes the itching and burning. It seemed to me that soaking in the bathtub helped soothe the discomfort, but it also encouraged the spreading of the rash to other parts of the body. It seemed as if the hot water encouraged the skin to open up, to release toxin from more areas. If I had it the problem again, I would start when the rash was still very small, washing it often with warm water, and applying the mustard-clay remedy described below, rather than soaking in a bucket or bath tub. In order to halt the spread of the rash, one would need to support the liver, kidneys and lymph system, as recommended below, so as to relieve the skin.

To soothe the itching and burning when the rash is new and virulent, mustard really helped.* (Mustard plasters are a traditional remedy for rashes and insect stings; clay is also an extremely ancient remedy for skin problems.) Smearing the mixture over the rash, before and after washing or soaking, quieted the itching and burning for hours at a stretch.

I mixed mustard from the grocery store (the condiment that you put on your hot dogs-- ideally the plain yellow kind, fine-ground, without big granules) with some medicinal clay (bentonite or montmorillite), added water to get a pasty consistency. After washing, I did not towel off the area, but smeared a thin film of the mustard mud over the affected areas while the skin was still wet. Allow the mix to dry on the skin—it should look like a light haze over your skin. If the coating were too thick, it might cause undesirable side-effects. You should be able to see the rash through it when it dries. While it is drying it will tingle a lot, and then your skin will be “quiet” for a blessed few hours. When it starts to sting again, wash and repeat.

When the rash was at its nastiest, most uncomfortable stage, I emptied the contents of a NAC capsule into the mustard-clay mix, to help control inflammation and swelling.

*Mustard Plaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_plaster
a poultice of mustard seed powder spread inside a protective dressing and applied to the body to stimulate healing. It can be used to warm muscle tissues and for chronic aches and pains. It was once part of conventional medical treatment, and available in prepared versions in pharmacies. It fell from favor in the 20th century and is now only used as a home remedy.

How it works An enzymatic reaction in the wet mustard powder produces a chemical called allyl isothiocyanate, which is absorbed through the skin as a transdermal drug. It provides warmth and functions as a counterirritant, meaning that it stimulates nerve endings in the skin and thereby distracts the body from deeper-seated pain.

Uses Mustard plasters were used for aches and pains, including rheumatism, arthritis, and sore muscles. It was also used for chest congestion, and for insect bites.

Side effects If left in place for too long, it can produce significant first-degree burns to the skin.

The clay acts to draw toxins out of the skin, and the mustard neutralizes them. [See the thread AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION? Reply #1136 on: 1/10/2016 at 08:19:08 PM »] My guess is that the sulfur content of the mustard binds up and neutralizes the toxins that ooze from the rash, and other chemical properties of mustard serve as a “counter-irritant,” damping down itching. There are probably some helpful B vitamins in there, too, especially if your mustard has turmeric in it, as mine did.

The mustard mud stopped the burning and itching for 4-6 hours at a stretch, in the early stages of the rash when nothing else worked. The clay also helps to bind the mustard to the skin, so that the film is not easily rubbed off by contact with clothing or bed sheets. (I had expected to have a lot of clay dust in my bedsheets, but it has not been a problem.)

Detox operations are when the cofactors to iodine therapy are needed the most. During the bromoderma trauma I felt I had to increase my dosage B and C vitamins, sublingual B12, magnesium, NAC and some other items described below.

After I had the rash for a couple of weeks, I found that the mustard mud lost effectiveness, but at that point the hydrocortisone cream became effective in soothing the discomfort, reducing swelling, and stopping the weeping of the rash. This suggests to me that, at that stage, the inflammation and discomfort was not caused by the bromine, but by an immune reaction stuck in overdrive, perpetuating the inflammation, swelling, weeping of the pores, and the insane itching and burning. [The medical literature on bromoderma backs up this guess: “Inflammatory mediators released from neutrophils might be responsible for the hyperproliferative and vegetative aspects of the skin lesions. Perhaps, in some cases, these mediators may account for the histopathologic changes of leukocytoclastic vasculitis”.] The mainstream medical treatment of bromoderma involves hydrocortisone cream, and it gave welcome relief in this later stage of the problem.

Apparently, bromoderma is not just a detox issue, but an auto-immune issue:

Inflammasomes: Intracellular Regulators of Pathogen
https://www.rndsystems.com/resources/posters/inflammasomes-intracellular-regulators-pathogen?utm_source=ntent&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=inflammasomes%20intracellular%20regulators%20of%20pathogen

[Immune reactions] “are activated either by bacterial, fungal, or viral molecules that contain pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs), or by nonmicrobial danger signals (DAMPs) released from damaged cells.”

So, the inflammation may not be a direct reaction to a pathogen or a toxin, but to the tissue damage it causes.

While treating the rash, take measures to support your lymphatic system, your kidneys and your liver; ideally, they should do the work of eliminating the halogen toxins, without your skin having to be bothered with it in the future!

Supporting the Liver
Stop taking iodine, until your body has healed. Resume only when it does not reactivate the problem.
Do without caffeine and alcohol for the duration of the problem.
A good stout brew of ginger-mint-licorice tea is a liver-friendly consolation for coffee deprivation.
Get as much sleep as possible; sleep time is when your body naturally de-toxes and fights pathogens.
Supplement with Milk Thistle, a capsule with each meal, maybe more.
Eat lots of pickled beets.
Take chlorella tablets a half hour before each meal, to neutralize toxins that have been shunted to the bile.

Supporting the Kidneys
Do without caffeine and alcohol for the duration of the problem.
Encourage a high rate of urination by taking in extra salt and water: Put a half teaspoon of salt in a cup of water and drink it several times a day. Follow each cup of salt water with extra amounts of clear water. Some baking soda in the water along with that salt will also help clean out your kidneys and protect them, so that they filter your blood more efficiently.

Supporting the Lymphatic system
Keep moving. Moving about, such as walking, is what circulates the lymph in your body, and helps it filter the toxins out of your tissues. You need not do any heavy work-out, but you should avoid being a couch-potato.
Elevate the parts of the body affected, as in sleeping with your legs propped up above the level of your heart, if the legs are swollen.
Gently massage the swollen areas, stroking toward the heart.
If you take a hot bath or shower, follow it with a cold rinse.

When the rash quieted down a bit, Vitamin E, (the contents of a vitamin E gel tab, and/or coconut oil) applied to the affected area at this stage helped to soothe damaged tissues and promote healing.

My rash first appeared in late February, 2017. I began effective treatment in mid-March, and stopped taking iodine around that time. The rash was still raging in mid-April. By early May it had quieted down, and I tried a resumption of iodine, 1 drop of 5% Lugol’s per day. But that seemed to fire up the rash again. Salt-loading has not prevented this; perhaps because at this point the rash may be more an immune problem than a toxicity problem.

During the struggle with the bromoderma, I noticed that a number of lumps and bumps that have been on my body, some of them for as long as 30 years, had totally vanished. That helped me to keep faith that something good was coming out of all the discomfort.

Now my question is, how to continue the iodine therapy without being stopped in my tracks by the detox symptoms? I have a lot of body fat, which functions as the “junk storage room” for many years’ accumulation of halogens and other toxins. I suspect I also harbor a systemic infestation of candida that has been in a dormant condition for a long time, but will be releasing heavy metals and other toxins into my system as the iodine gets to it. There might be enough toxin in me to require decades of detox, at the pitifully small doses of iodine that I can tolerate!
 
ka said:
Now my question is, how to continue the iodine therapy without being stopped in my tracks by the detox symptoms?

Have you tried a couple cycles of DMSA detox protocol? Also, have you tried diluting your iodine so that you are taking 1 drop of 1% in the heel protocol?
 
hlat said:
ka said:
Now my question is, how to continue the iodine therapy without being stopped in my tracks by the detox symptoms?

Have you tried a couple cycles of DMSA detox protocol? Also, have you tried diluting your iodine so that you are taking 1 drop of 1% in the heel protocol?
I would do the same. Quit the iodine for a while until detox reactions calm down. while quitting the iodine continue with other supplements to support detox paths and liver.
Then when you feel better to start iodine, but very slowly.
Let's try with a heel dosing for some time. If you don't have any reactions with a heel dosing, then you can introduce iodine orally.
Start with one drop of weak iodine solution every other day. Then, after a while depending on your detox reaction you can adjust the dosage and days when you take iodine.
Take care and listen to your body.
 
Thankyou both Hlat and Konstantin, for good advice.

I am going to discontinue iodine altogether until my skin is healed up, and then I will resume iodine at a much smaller dose, as suggested. Pulse dosing at the beginning, as well.

Konstantin's example shows how successful that can be in a very hard case.

If I still have trouble, I will look into DMSA--but isn't that for heavy metals? My immediate problem appears to be bromine.
 

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