Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Ruth]

From Ruth

Apparently they test for two things. Iodine intake from the diet and something called a sodium/iodine symporter pump. If the sodium/iodine symporter pump is defective, then iodine will be excreted instead of absorbed by cells that need it.

Bingo!!!... Ruth, The Dr. Lair Ribeiro (a famous Dr. Cardiologist/Nutritionist here in Brazil) Says this about The NIS Symporter Mechanism:

"How to repair the NIS Symporter for the Thyroid?, one of the following methods has to be used:

1- Vitamin C - 5.000mg/day (Buffered)

2- Lugol - 100mg/day for 6 weeks, after that followed by 50mg/day

3- Vitamin A (Retinoids) - 25.000U/day

It has to be used ONE OF THAT 3 OPTIONS, not more or less..."

Ok, but which one do we use? Assuming we have taken the time to find out if our own individual sodium/iodine symporter pumps are defective or not. I understood from Dr Flechas that it could be fixed. He didn't go into details, however. Apparently Dr Ribeiro also knows how to fix it too and has gone into details! But not specifics. It seems to be something that needs to be individualised according to the person and needs to be done in conjunction with a trained and sympathetic (aware?) health professional. Maybe Dr Flechas needs to be asked how he fixes the sodium/iodine symporter pump and Dr Ribeiro needs to be asked which method would be chosen in individual circumstances....

This thyroid business is starting to get 'bigger than Ben Hur'. Which is interesting because of what the C's said about the endocrine system. I guess we all need to know a whole lot more about it.

Anyway, I must admit that at the moment I am working under the assumption that I do not have a defective sodium/iodine symporter pump. This is because I haven't done any of the tests that would show if I was a) iodine deficient (via diet) or b) whether I was excreting iodine because I had a 'broken' sodium/iodine symporter pump and it was not being transported across the cell membrane.

Interesting, but there is a parallel to this cell membrane transport issue with insulin and glucose.

 

[Mark]

I'm not sure that coriander has the same mobilizing affects as cilantro, even though they're the same plant; I suspect cilantro is more effective.

As I understand, these are just to different names for the same thing.

Coriander is the seed of the cilantro plant commonly used ground up as a spice. When people mention cilantro in terms of eating they're usually talking about the leaves - in the USA anyway.

 

[PERLOU]

En France, on trouve aussi la Coriandre en Graines pour cuisiner...

In France, there is also the Coriander Seeds for cooking ...

 

[Tomek]

I've been taking iodine and cofactors for 3 weeks now, I've started with 2 drops of 5% lugol's solution, with no adverse or positive effects.

After a week I took 8 drops a day (always with co-factors), I started to enjoy some positive effects : wakefulness, alertness, clear thoughts, very vivid dreams (more nightmares in my case, but still).

3rd week, it was time to experiment with biocidal doses : 16 drops a day. I was diagnosed with candida during the summer. The first two days were okay, but I had to stop after the third day : eczema flares-up, mood swings, VERY irritable and / or anxious, the curious sensation of being "dirty inside", sore throat, itchy skin... Sounds a lot like a herxheimer reaction. This stuff is very potent. I'm taking a week off with just regular doses of vitamin C, plus NAC, vitamin d, magnesium and zinc in the morning.

Not sure how much iodine I should take after this week off. I'll probably start with low doses again, to slowly going back to nuke doses, but this time I'll try with R-ALA and milk thistle.

It could also be a heavy metal detox reaction. I had 6 rounds of DMSA two years ago after I had my fillings removed, but the reactions weren't exactly the same : still anxious and irritable, but much less skin reactions. Still, I'm curious to see if alterning between DMSA and iodine can help other forum members.

 

[Gaby]

"How to repair the NIS Symporter for the Thyroid?, one of the following methods has to be used:

1- Vitamin C - 5.000mg/day (Buffered)

2- Lugol - 100mg/day for 6 weeks, after that followed by 50mg/day

3- Vitamin A (Retinoids) - 25.000U/day

It has to be used ONE OF THAT 3 OPTIONS, not more or less..."

Ok, but which one do we use?

There are studies about the NIS symporter already quoted in this thread which suggests that vitamin C alone can repair it.

As we have seen in this thread, taking high doses of lugol without considering individual reactions can have very undesirable consequences in some people.

Everyone please read this forum thread carefully and the recommended books!

 

[sitting]

I guess I still have to wait and continue doing what I am and/or seeking new ideas and perspectives. As I lack the needed resources to, as you say "get the hell out".

Hi there,

I don't mean to come across as unkind or unsympathetic. Maybe even a bit cruel perhaps.
But when there's the will -- there's usually a way.

(We often do make our own "beds" in a subconscious manner.)

I could be wrong.

FWIW.

 

[Joe]

I've been taking iodine and cofactors for 3 weeks now, I've started with 2 drops of 5% lugol's solution, with no adverse or positive effects.

After a week I took 8 drops a day (always with co-factors), I started to enjoy some positive effects : wakefulness, alertness, clear thoughts, very vivid dreams (more nightmares in my case, but still).

3rd week, it was time to experiment with biocidal doses : 16 drops a day. I was diagnosed with candida during the summer. The first two days were okay, but I had to stop after the third day : eczema flares-up, mood swings, VERY irritable and / or anxious, the curious sensation of being "dirty inside", sore throat, itchy skin... Sounds a lot like a herxheimer reaction. This stuff is very potent. I'm taking a week off with just regular doses of vitamin C, plus NAC, vitamin d, magnesium and zinc in the morning.

Not sure how much iodine I should take after this week off. I'll probably start with low doses again, to slowly going back to nuke doses, but this time I'll try with R-ALA and milk thistle.

It could also be a heavy metal detox reaction. I had 6 rounds of DMSA two years ago after I had my fillings removed, but the reactions weren't exactly the same : still anxious and irritable, but much less skin reactions. Still, I'm curious to see if alterning between DMSA and iodine can help other forum members.

The reference to candida is interesting. Apparently people can get candida flare ups with iodine. Why would this be? The most likely answer is that the iodine is releasing heavy metals/toxins into the system and one way the body deals with toxic overload is to encourage the proliferation of yeast because yeast 'grabs' heavy metals and 'isolates' them. So as part of a temporary detox protocol after taking iodine, I would take some DMSA or other heavy metal chelator.

 

[Joe]

Has anyone had any experience of taking cilantro/coriander tincture drops?

 

[Tomek]

The reference to candida is interesting. Apparently people can get candida flare ups with iodine. Why would this be? The most likely answer is that the iodine is releasing heavy metals/toxins into the system and one way the body deals with toxic overload is to encourage the proliferation of yeast because yeast 'grabs' heavy metals and 'isolates' them. So as part of a temporary detox protocol after taking iodine, I would take some DMSA or other heavy metal chelator.

It could also be a candida die-off reaction. If a lot of yeasts are killed because of the iodine, it will also release large quantities of heavy metals, previously kept inside the yeasts, in the bloodstream. In both cases, taking a chelator during the days off iodine seems to be an interesting track to follow.

 

[Joe]

The reference to candida is interesting. Apparently people can get candida flare ups with iodine. Why would this be? The most likely answer is that the iodine is releasing heavy metals/toxins into the system and one way the body deals with toxic overload is to encourage the proliferation of yeast because yeast 'grabs' heavy metals and 'isolates' them. So as part of a temporary detox protocol after taking iodine, I would take some DMSA or other heavy metal chelator.

It could also be a candida die-off reaction. If a lot of yeasts are killed because of the iodine, it will also release large quantities of heavy metals, previously kept inside the yeasts, in the bloodstream. In both cases, taking a chelator during the days off iodine seems to be an interesting track to follow.

Exactly, there's a cycle there of taking iodine -----> heavy metal release from cells -------> candida proliferation to grab heavy metals -------> more iodine or other anti-candida treatment causes candida die off = heavy metals dumped back into the system.

So yes, a relatively small dose of DMSA after a period on iodine sounds like a good idea.

 

[Shared Joy]

Has anyone had any experience of taking cilantro/coriander tincture drops?

Hi Perceval,

I have been taking Chlorella powder and Coriander tincture for the last 1,5 month.
Just in small amounts - one teaspoon chlorella in the morning 1/2 hour before breakfast. After breakfast 20-25 drops of coriander tincture in water. Dr. Klinghard recommends trice as much for Lyme patients.

So far, the results are: improved memory, longer attention span, more energy, easier coping with stress. Heavy metal detox completed(according to my bio-resonance measurements -which can't be considered exact, but neither are the local lab panels, nor are there affordable prices to pay for more sophisticated examinations).
Toxins are eliminated via urine (very intense smell, yellow, but no turbidity or other unpleasant changes). Lots of water to drink.

Only the lead load is above the healthy limit. It has dropped in comparison to measurements made 2 years ago, but not significantly.
So, it seems I have to use some EDTA, and remineralisation afterwards.

Some minor problems with the neurovegetative system (more EE is needed ;)) - sleep cycle and occasional arrhythmia.

The cardio vascular , GI systems are in a much better shape, almost no problems at all. Also the glucose, fat, protein, mineral metabolism.

No Herx, just some flare ups concerning my rheumatoid arthritis, which subsided significantly.

If there is anything else I could assist with?

 

[broken.english]

Has anyone had any experience of taking cilantro/coriander tincture drops?

Yes, cilantro drops and chlorella after removal of my amalgame fillings. Two rounds of several months in total. It was absolutely harmless without any noticeable side effects in my case.

After that I took ALA, also without side effects.

 

[Alana]

Thank you all about the reminders/info about the chelators. I started feeling very depressed right after Xmas, with symptoms like having caught a cold, so I decided to add some heavy metal detox into my regime, just in case.

I continue to take the iodine, 2 drops with breakfast, and I added pectin and chlorella, fish oils and cod liver oil to what I was already taking: b-complex, multi-minerals. Also started doing far-infra saunas again. And I continue with salt water first thing in the morning, and vit C in the afternoon. I think all that ought to do it.

I like pectin as chelator because it absorbs heavy metals and brings them out of the system through the digestive track, so as not to burden the liver. It is also good for nuclear radiation particles removal from the body, and it does not deplete the body of other minerals. And I like what I've been reading about cilantro, I'll order a tincture.

But from all the above, I felt significantly better right after taking 6 capsules of fish oils. I forgot how good they always made me feel. I'll add them again as stable in my daily life. To everyone who might be experiencing depression (for whatever reason) try fish oils. I'll start taking 6 capsules 2x a day today.

 

[Solie123]

But from all the above, I felt significantly better right after taking 6 capsules of fish oils. I forgot how good they always made me feel. I'll add them again as stable in my daily life. To everyone who might be experiencing depression (for whatever reason) try fish oils. I'll start taking 6 capsules 2x a day today.

The only concerns I have with adding fish oil to my supplementation is the conflicting views on the fragile chains of omega-3 fatty acid that may go rancid with any exposure to light or oxygen as they're polyunsaturated. Does anyone have any information on this? Is fish oil stable enough to take?

 

[Divide by Zero]

I've started taking some chollera and spirulina tablets along with the C, salt, selenium, B vitamins, magnesium citrate/malate.
The only thing is that I still get constipation which affects me more than the iodine, because it causes soreness after a day or so. I'm not sure what else to do besides add some hard bulk like more qunioa or brown rice to my diet (as I eat paleo).



I don't think fish oil has a problem as they mostly come in pill form which is sealed and inside a bottle that usually doesn't pass light through.

A few months ago I found an old bottle of fish oil from 2011. Before throwing it out, I opened up a few capsules to smell the oil and taste a tiny bit of it- curious if it went rancid- and it tasted/smelled like one that wasn't expired! I threw the bottle out anyway just to be safe.