The Vegetarian Myth

[Laura]

Thank you, hope my english was okay and I will hush up now till have thoroughly gone through everything :)

You might also want to read this: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/235204-Eating-Plants-May-Change-Our-Cells and hundreds (thousands?) of other articles and studies archived on sott.net (and here in the forum), and ask yourself the question: do you really want to be a plant?

 

[jasminescents]

Great article Laura, thanks for linking me to it:)

Some strange phenomena at the beginning of the year urged me to research genetic mutation. The first thing came across was testing conducted by the Rockefeller Institute in 1939'. It was based on the the testing of microRNA merged with alternate animals to modify DNA creating a new form of mutated species. I have put this research on the back-burner for awhile because it became lots to absorb, while learning so many new terms at the same time.

However, shortly thereafter found links to trans-humanism and the various possibilities trans-humanism brings to society. Recognized trans-humanism holds two, maybe three possibilities human beings can take. One of these directions is based on genetic mutation.

I had read in one of your transcripts last night about the various species underground. It really gave thought to question about many things, especially genetic mutation. There was minimal detail but enough to get the senses going.

This is what reading this article made me think of as oppose to what it would be like to be a plant. xo

 

[Kaigen]

:) my wife do worry about me, so she made today breakfast for me "vegetarian breakfast" whooo
I asked her, when she do it for me again, if she could put some bacon in it. Than she started a discussion about how bad it is for people over 40 to eat fat and meet everyday. She claimed to made a research about this matter.
I said, off course you will find things you wish to find, to make your position stronger, what your mother told you about saturated fat and meet. She didn't find any web site promoting the opposite. She asked finally why I believe only in this one site (SOOT.net). I said, I do not believe in anything, than the honest research. That's SOTT is standing for. Than she said meet is empty, and she have to buy. If I want to eat meet everyday I have to give here more money. I said she is already taking everything. So I have to move my savings to have some extra in live. So I said than that I will buy my meet.
If they find out that I I must mention that we are 6 members in house, with grandma and grandpa.
So everything what is new like the coconuts oil will be punished and banned because of bad smell ... What ever. I want to hold on till next year, it this situation in 2013 we have to move out of this house, so probably many things will change.

 

[Alana]

:) my wife do worry about me, so she made today breakfast for me "vegetarian breakfast" whooo
I asked her, when she do it for me again, if she could put some bacon in it. Than she started a discussion about how bad it is for people over 40 to eat fat and meet everyday. She claimed to made a research about this matter.
I said, off course you will find things you wish to find, to make your position stronger, what your mother told you about saturated fat and meet. She didn't find any web site promoting the opposite. She asked finally why I believe only in this one site (SOOT.net). I said, I do not believe in anything, than the honest research. That's SOTT is standing for.

Most of the articles on how good saturated fats are that are posted on sott, come from blogs and websites of doctors, nutritionists, health experts etc. Maybe you can have your wife check out the original links? For example:

http://dietheartpublishing.com/node/286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4&feature=related&noredirect=1 (video)

http://www.spacedoc.com/saturated_fat_is_good_for_you_1

http://www.experiencelife.com/issues/june-2011/healthy-eating/a-big-fat-mistake.php

http://www.drbriffa.com/2010/09/21/higher-saturated-fat-intakes-found-to-be-associated-with-a-reduced-risk-of-dying-from-cardiovascular-disease/

http://chriskresser.com/5-reasons-not-to-worry-about-your-cholesterol-numbers

http://www.gnolls.org/1763/why-humans-crave-fat/

If she still doesn't want to listen, then you can save up on the side to get your own bacon and meat, if that's the diet you found to be the most optimal for you.

My 2 cents

 

[Kaigen]

:) Thank you so much Alana, I will try for shore to buy my own meet anyway, with the links that will be more difficult because she can't speak English. She is Japanese. I will try to read for her and explain. Probably it could work. Thanks again for your two cents!

 

[herondancer]

Hi Kaigen,

In the interests of strategic enclosure, which should always be a concern, maybe show her the original articles when you are reading them to her. She seems concerned that you are getting all your information from on place (Cass). But using the source articles, you will demonstrate that these ideas are general information, not one particular point of view.

fwiw

 

[Kaigen]

:D Yees I did already, and it was good, today we had talk about the vegetarian myth in general. It was difficult but it was a small begin. thanks again!

 

[truth seeker]

I'm currently listening to this interview with Lierre Kieth hosted by Hunter Copeland at the link below for anyone interested:

http://h4hpodcast.blogspot.com/

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks so much for sharing that podcast, truth seeker. Always a pleasure to listen to Lierre Keith.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Hi all,

Pretty newbie on the general forum, it is my first post here on this subject. I have many many things to read, so I hope it does no matter if I did not do it yet. :/
As already explained in the Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program section, here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.new.html#new, I stopped to eat meat 4,5 years ago and all my "good reasons" are specifically explained in "The Vegetarian Myth" or at list in the articles hereafter.
Thank you so much Gandalf, I read them on yesterday.

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4387-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable
http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4466-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-2e-partie-
http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4596-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-3e-partie-

From the discover of the Laura's World on last June, I started to understand I had made a mistake stopping eat meat for all the good reasons I thought I had.
So, the time for me to explore farther in researchs and knowledges during the summer, I reintroduced fat of duck and goose to cook my vegetables five weeks ago.
We use to buy our meat (my husband and my daughter had never stopped to eat meat, fortunately!) at a butcher who already cares about how animals are pampered, of the conception (no forced artificial insemination), to in their respectful death, to finish in our plates where we can thank it for what it gives us. What chance we have to get one butcher like this one so close, living in a big city!. Cows come from Aubrac and Cantal, countries I know well, my younger daughter has her father-family there.

So, this morning, after have talked with my butcher about energy and meat, after have understood I could know exactly where come from the meat and how it was treated during its life (I imagine that I wanted to be reassured on a subject which had already been approached before I stop a food of the meat and while we already provided ourselves at him, what tends to prove my error), I bought a piece of chicken. I eat it at lunch, after have thank the animal and nature, without any troubles or repulsion, as I imagined that it would be the case. So now, it is 17:33 UTC, and I feel good, my husband and my daughter are happy to see me back in this way.

So thank you so much all, for giving me the explanations by beeing comprehensive to realise my mistake.

Others explanations about what I eat and drink or not:
I do not take pharmaceutical medicines anymore (except paracetamol but very rarely) and from more than four years. I did not drink any alcohol from five years. I smoke two to four rolled cigarettes by day with American Spirit tobacco, the only one I can smoke by the way. I eat fruits rarely, vegetables almost everyday. Fish (like sardine and soon mackerel) and eggs also are in my alimentation. I eat almost no more typical cereal wheat, barley, etc. I avoid pastas and I privilege flours of Saracen type, quinoa, sweet chestnut. I prepare food myself, they are all organic, seasonal and most of the time, premises. I do not drink milk anymore, and I am stopping cheese and yoghurt (which I did not use to eat very often from several years). But I eat butter. I drink water and Ayurvedic tea with honey. Nothing else.

 

[mcb]

...So now, it is 17:33 UTC, and I feel good, my husband and my daughter are happy to see me back in this way...

That is good to hear! There seems to be little risk from eating properly cooked meat from naturally-raised food animals. Not everyone feels better on this kind of diet, but nearly everyone seems to be benefitting from it in some ways.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Not everyone feels better on this kind of diet, but nearly everyone seems to be benefitting from it in some ways.

And this sounds good! Thanks for the support. I will have to know more about this, it will be longer if I do not find translated books (English to French), but if I do not have the choice, I shall have to plunge into the big bath of a book everything in English, what is considerably going to slow down me, but as says C's, learn is funny!

 

[Laura]

Not everyone feels better on this kind of diet, but nearly everyone seems to be benefitting from it in some ways.

And this sounds good! Thanks for the support. I will have to know more about this, it will be longer if I do not find translated books (English to French), but if I do not have the choice, I shall have to plunge into the big bath of a book everything in English, what is considerably going to slow down me, but as says C's, learn is funny!

My observation is that the only ones who do NOT do better are those who are not doing it right and have not given it time to help their body switch operating systems.

 

[auroraborealis1]

I love this subject because I have begun to become more sensitive to my own system and listen to it. And just recently I have found that I have cravings for meat. That is all! :)

 

[whitecoast]

Thank you, hope my english was okay and I will hush up now till have thoroughly gone through everything :)

You might also want to read this: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/235204-Eating-Plants-May-Change-Our-Cells and hundreds (thousands?) of other articles and studies archived on sott.net (and here in the forum), and ask yourself the question: do you really want to be a plant?

You mean like the green sea slug? _http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/01/green-sea-slug/

This LiveScience article is really thought-provoking. It makes me consider the inverse of the implications as well: perhaps some herbivores and omnivores have adapted evolutionarily to having basal levels of particular microRNAs from traditional plants they consume, and may come to depend on them for genomic stability in the way that we depend on vitamins from plants. (Think of apes that mutated and lost the ability to produce vitamin C - they ate fruit that was loaded with vitamin C so the broken gene was passed on as selectively neutral and spread to other species, like humans; now we require Vitamin C for optimal functioning). It's possible the green sea slug may have a similar system of depending on some RNA from the algae it consumes, given that it may not have genetically assimilated all the genes from the algae required for optimal functioning: only those bare essentials.

Perhaps removing those particular plant staples has an effect on the gene regulation of the animals as well (and not just the adding of plant staples foreign to the nature of the animal), such as cows that have been removed from the prairies and placed in factory farms to eat corn instead of grass. The possibilities are tantalizing.