Crash of German Wings Flight over French Alps

[loreta]

Another plane , this time in Russia made an emergency landing
_http://rt.com/news/243869-passenger-plane-emergency-landing/

What is happening in the sky, planes and helicopters are falling due to technical failures, outdated equipment, human error or something else?

Is it possible that are all these technical failures that fail are due to some computer program that can control the airplane?

 

[casper]

Another plane crash.
Quote:

Indian Navy aircraft crashed into the sea



Indian Navy aircraft yesterday crashed into the sea off the coast of the western Indian state of Goa, the BBC reported.

One crew member was rescued and sign up for another two, said a spokesman for the Navy Rahul Sinha.

The Navy said that the reconnaissance aircraft Dornier was on a routine flight when it crashed. The cause of the accident is unknown.

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

from RT

10:51 GMT:Lufthansa, the company which owns the low-cost airline Germanwings, who’s plane crashed in the French Alps, say the crash was “inexplicable,” as the plane was “in perfect condition,” AFP reports.

10:24 GMT: The French interior minister said it is impossible to completely rule out a terrorist attack as the cause of the Germanwings plane crash.

Black box damaged (or so we are told) - no real explanation possible for a technical problem causing the crash - it seems to me that if the real reason is known it cannot be disclosed, and that a phony technical explanation is difficult to come up with - so that when first all were screaming that terrorist action was not possible, they are now cooking something up in the direction of terrorisme.

 

[loreta]

from RT

10:51 GMT:Lufthansa, the company which owns the low-cost airline Germanwings, who’s plane crashed in the French Alps, say the crash was “inexplicable,” as the plane was “in perfect condition,” AFP reports.

10:24 GMT: The French interior minister said it is impossible to completely rule out a terrorist attack as the cause of the Germanwings plane crash.

Black box damaged (or so we are told) - no real explanation possible for a technical problem causing the crash - it seems to me that if the real reason is known it cannot be disclosed, and that a phony technical explanation is difficult to come up with - so that when first all were screaming that terrorist action was not possible, they are now cooking something up in the direction of terrorisme.

You are right: they were screaming and insisting that it was not a terrorist attack. Too much screaming and too much insisting.

 

[Joe]

If the plane broke into thousands of pieces when It hit the mountain where is the impact crater?

Would a plane leave much of a crater in rock?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

If the plane broke into thousands of pieces when It hit the mountain where is the impact crater?

Would a plane leave much of a crater in rock?

did plane exploded in the air, actually ?

 

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

from RT

12:17 GMT: A picture of the damaged flight recorder has been released, which was sent to Paris from the crash site. The head of the French Interior Ministry says there is hope that the black box recorder may offer some insight into why the plane crashed.

I dont know how to include the picture - but in any case it is NOT a picture of a black box, it is a picture of the cockpit voice recorder - see wikipedia for the difference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder

 

[Laura]

I dunno. This whole thing - with the various other incidents - strikes me as majorly strange all the way around. Especially following on the MH370 thing last year. What the heck is going on???

Yeah, the Cs said a lot more weirdness was going to manifest, so maybe that's all it is? Like 4D effects that they described once in respect of driving? Or maybe somebody/thing is target practicing or sending warnings like that shuttle that went down over "Palestine, Texas". That was TRULY strange.

 

[Laura]

Poking around the net I am reminded of these things:

Electronic war games blamed for jets vanishing off radars in Europe
Published time: June 14, 2014
http://rt.com/news/165872-military-exercises-planes-disappearing/

"The disappearance of objects on radar screens was connected with a planned military exercise which took place in various parts of Europe...whose goal was the interruption of radio communication frequencies," the Slovak air traffic services said in a statement.

"This activity also caused the temporary disappearance of several targets on the radar display, while in the meantime the planes were in radio contact with air traffic controllers and continued in their flight normally.”

Right after the problem with the radars was detected, the organizing party was made aware and the exercises were stopped, Slovakia's air traffic services added.

Slovakia did not mention a military force involved in the exercises, but Austrian media pointed towards NATO.

Something from back in 2013

Catching a Lufthansa Airbus A321’s Rapid Descent Live
By Jason Rabinowitz on May 14th, 2013
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/05/catching-a-lufthansa-airbus-a321s-rapid-descent-live/

Watching airline activity live via social media can have interesting consequences. Last week, I happened to see the #7700 tweet [which are tweets that are auto generated that go out any time an aircraft in coverage squawks 7700] from Planefinder.net as soon as it was posted and went to check out what was happening. Normally when you catch these emergencies, not much happens immediately, and the aircraft either continues on to its destination, or diverts to another airport.

Then:

U.S. Military Satellite Explodes, Possibly Due To Temperature Spike
By James Maynard, Tech Times | March 3,
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/36976/20150303/u-s-military-satellite-explodes-possibly-due-temperature-spike.htm

A military weather satellite exploded in orbit on February 3, and Defense Department officials believe that a temperature spike may have been responsible for the blast. ...

On February 27, officials of the Defense Department admitted to the loss of the vehicle....

This was not the first spacecraft of its kind to explode in orbit. The Dmsp-F11 observatory exploded in orbit in April 2004, producing 56 known pieces of debris....

Soon after a temperature spike was recorded about the vehicle, the observatory lost the ability to orientate itself. ...

(Space Operations) personnel will continue to assess this event to learn more about what happened," Air Force Colonel John Giles, director of the U.S. Joint Space Operations Center at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, said.

And let's not forget this:

Russia claims this satellite image shows moment flight MH17 was shot down by fighter jet
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-claims-satellite-image-shows-4631625

Coming back to the present, a day earlier:

US test-fires intercontinental missile in California (VIDEO)
Published time: March 23, 2015
http://rt.com/usa/243353-usaf-nuclear-icbm-test/

An intercontinental ballistic missile was fired early Monday from a facility in California, the US Air Force announced, saying the tests were a message to the world about Washington's nuclear capabilities.

The Minuteman III missile was fitted with a “test re-entry vehicle” instead of a live thermonuclear warhead, and was test-launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base (AFB) in California at 03:36 local time (10:36 GMT), according to the Air Force statement.

What if the downing of this plane was another "message to the world", specifically Germany and France and Spain?

 

[Konstantin]

This is not just an accident. Something is very strange. Read this

_http://rt.com/news/243845-germanwings-crews-refuse-flying/

Some have refused their service for personal reasons, but not out of concern that something there is out of order,’ the spokeswoman told the dpa news agency.

I think there are some rumors among pilots in Germanwings. Some of them maybe know something or at least suspect something.

What if the downing of this plane was another "message to the world", specifically Germany and France and Spain?

I think that the possibility that this is a "message" is very big.

 

[1peacelover]

If the plane broke into thousands of pieces when It hit the mountain where is the impact crater?

Would a plane leave much of a crater in rock?

did plane exploded in the air, actually ?

There would have been some scorching or blackening of the impact site. Saw a jet slam into a mountain as a child & the scene did not look like that in the photos. The parts closest to the point of impact were burnt. The pieces scattered lower on the ridges some were burnt but other large pieces of the plane, seats, carts, people, floatation devices etc, still visible. This looks like either it was struck by something with such force that it was blown apart. Maybe it got caught in the backwash of some unknown aerial event. 8 minutes of silence though. Hmmm.

 

[Siberia]

A Finnish source says:

A Finnish aviation official has shed new light on a Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday after a long descent from cruising altitude. Pekka Henttu of the Finnish Transport Safety Agency says that according to information he has received, the pilots were unconscious for most of the descent.

_http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_official_germanwings_pilots_were_unconscious_during_descent/7889423

In his interview to a Russian newspaper Pekka Henttu also said (my translation):

According to the official information received, the pilots of the crashed German aircraft for unknown reason were unconscious during 8-minute-long descend. This information was received after decoding one of the black boxes.

_http://www.mk.ru/incident/2015/03/25/rasshifrovka-chernogo-yashhika-pokazala-chto-piloty-a320-byli-bez-soznaniya.html

 

[loreta]

This is not just an accident. Something is very strange. Read this

_http://rt.com/news/243845-germanwings-crews-refuse-flying/

Some have refused their service for personal reasons, but not out of concern that something there is out of order,’ the spokeswoman told the dpa news agency.

I think there are some rumors among pilots in Germanwings. Some of them maybe know something or at least suspect something.

What if the downing of this plane was another "message to the world", specifically Germany and France and Spain?

I think that the possibility that this is a "message" is very big.

Very coincidental also the the King of Spain was in France. Also I remember that some Spanish where victims also from the terrorist attack in Tunisia, not so long ago. From Catalonia, if I remember correctly. I don't remember how many died in this attack.

 

[angelburst29]

This might sound like a really stupid question and may show my lack of education but when I think of the French Alps, I picture "snow covered peaks and ravines." Where's the snow?

On another note, the "timing of this article" is interesting?

Terror threat ‘unprecedented,’ new attacks inevitable – French security officials
http://rt.com/news/243349-france-terror-threat-unprecedented/

Published time: Monday March 23, 2015
There are also fears that competition between different terrorist organizations may lead to even more violence in France.

"Al-Qaeda needs to restore its prestige and will try to compete with IS with complex and major actions," the official noted.

He added that security services are concerned that an Al-Qaeda wing known as Khorasan is planning an attack on a major airline.

The Islamic State “is in the process of training commandos and sending them to our territory with high-quality equipment," the source said.


Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr said Wednesday that the Germanwings jet crash in France was not linked to a brief pre-flight repair job carried out on the ill-fated A320 plane.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150325/1019979165.html

The plane, bound for Dusseldorf in Germany, took off from Barcelona 30 minutes late Tuesday, German newsmagazine Bild reported Tuesday.

Der Spiegel then added to the story, mentioning a problem with the plane’s landing gear, which had caused an earlier delay in Dusseldorf on Monday.

The Airbus A320 was inspected by Lufthansa's technical team and, several hours later, was cleared to fly.

Meanwhile, Carsten Spohr ruled out any technical issues with the crashed plane.

“The plane was in perfect technical condition,” the aero-de website quoted Spohr as telling reporters upon his return from crash site.

During the last radio communication the dispatcher instructed the pilot to stay at an altitude of 11,400 meters but the plane started descend without permission.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150325/1019985458.html

During the last radio communication the dispatcher instructed the pilot to stay at an altitude of 11,400 meters. It was noted that at 10:31 the plane started to descend without permission. The dispatcher sent the request to the pilot, but there was no answer.

“At 10:35 the controllers got alarmed. At 10:40 the plane was situated at an altitude of 2,000 meters and then it just disappeared from the radar,” Ruyal told French TV station iTele in an interview.

Also from the same site.
_http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/background-to-germanwings-a320-accident-410509/

Based on the few facts known about the Germanwings Airbus A320 crash, it is a highly unusual event. For a modern short-haul airliner to develop – in the cruise phase of flight – problems the crew cannot deal with is almost unheard of.

According to unofficial data from a flight-tracking service, the aircraft took off for its scheduled flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf in good weather just after 10:00 local time, took about 20min climbing to a cruise height of 38,000ft, where it levelled out for just 3 to 4min, and then entered a steady descent profile without altering its ground speed to any significant extent from the 420-450kt (780-830km/h) adopted in the cruise. It was not a dramatic descent, but was very steady all the way to impact. It also appears to have crashed quite close to its flight-planned track, so there was no sudden veer off course.

Leveled out for 3-4 minutes and then entered a steady descent without altering it's ground speed - sounds like "a controlled descent" prior to impact. Is it possible, that when the plane leveled out, one or both Military Jets spotted in the area - took control of Airbus A320 which resulted in a transmission of "emergency-emergency" to ground crew instead of a May-Day response? Then communications were jammed while the plane descended and crashed at high speed?

Or another scenario, that Airbus A320 and it's passengers were hijacked - altogether - and the debris location is a staged mock-up-drill like the one that was staged in Shanksville, Pa. on 911?

Early in the 911 investigations, if memory serves me, Boeing 757, 767 and the Airbus A320 were all equipped with a remote control hijack recovery system, as a standard feature or they were retrofitted? Then Boeing began systematic maintenance on each of their 757 & 767 in disabling the recovery system, while Airbus kept the system because they deemed their access codes, as more secure.

The "sound of dynamite" that witnesses heard, might be in line with reports of "a loud boom" reported in the Shanksville event?

The picture at the crash, that shows a large piece of metal with the lettering identifying the plane seems odd, considering all the little fragments scattered over a large area? I haven't heard any reports of luggage and body parts, yet? Maybe, I haven't hit on the right report?

 

[mabar]

This might sound like a really stupid question and may show my lack of education but when I think of the French Alps, I picture "snow covered peaks and ravines." Where's the snow?

I wouldn't call it stupid, is just that we/I do not know how the weather everywhere, perhaps is because is quite near the Mediterranean?, because I was looking for webcams yesterday near the crash site, had not been able to find anything, though; in this site are a selection of webcams at ski ressorts at southern France, and many are with snow, maybe too, the mountain where was crash is not that high? _http://www.snoweye.com/?page=fr-alpesdusud