Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[mk1154]

This is really interesting. So , the main thing of maintaining our " machines" in good shape is to have enough informations and knowledge and then to learn the " art of listening to our bodies" so we can provide optimal nutrition to each individual depending on their needs. Each individual needs different things in different doses. Everyone must learn how to listen his own body and mind in order to function on optimal level.

So in my case i must do a little experimentation with different minerals and different detox agents and doses in order to fix my health issues.

Learning can be fun.

Seems to be so!

I tell ya, when I saw those results, I was just flabbergasted. For several days I looked at them again and again and went back in my mind over everything in my kid's past to see if I could find anything different. It just wasn't there. So the only thing that seems to explain it is that, even if they are genetically closest to each other than they are to me, these genetics are still sufficiently different to be the difference that makes the difference! It's just wild to see how different people can be even if they are close kin!

So I think that all of us should keep this in mind.

This is what I thought too when I read your update post and the only other explanation that I can think of is that the DMSA provocation urine test is not accurate. Considering that I just recently did this myself and am planning on DMSA chelation I did a little googling to see what I could find out about the DMSA test. One of the very first things that comes up when you do a search like this:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

Now, I don't know anything about this "quackwatch.org", but browsing some of the other subjects on the site I am skeptical. The main argument in the article above is that the reference range used to measure the safe levels of metals in the body is established under non-provoked conditions whereas the test is using a provocation agent, so you are very likely to get a result that is outside the reference range. The test I had done was through Genova Diagnostics and I could not find any information on their site on how they establish their reference ranges. Just considering all the possibilities and would love to get others feedback on the link.

 

[Joe]

Now, I don't know anything about this "quackwatch.org", but browsing some of the other subjects on the site I am skeptical. The main argument in the article above is that the reference range used to measure the safe levels of metals in the body is established under non-provoked conditions whereas the test is using a provocation agent, so you are very likely to get a result that is outside the reference range. The test I had done was through Genova Diagnostics and I could not find any information on their site on how they establish their reference ranges. Just considering all the possibilities and would love to get others feedback on the link.

I think the urine test is a good idea and provides important information, assuming the actual test is done correctly. If the test shows any significant level of HMs, then chelation is a good idea for the simple reason that we are fairly sure that mercury and other heavy metals exert a nefarious effect on our bodies. If a reliable test shows any levels of HMs, including with chelation, then why would anyone be content to leave them there, if there is a way to remove them? The argument in the article is rather academic, questioning the claim of "elevated" levels when chelation is used before the test. But that is not the important point, the important point being that if a chelator can push out a decent amount of HMs out of your body, then clearly there is a decent amount of HMs in your body, and why would you want to leave them there.

 

[ClaudiaYG]

This is my third week taking Lugol´s iodine 12%. The first week I started with two drops and co-factors and the only thing I felt was more energy. The second week I took 3 drops the first three days and on the other days I took 4 drops and I had a headache, a little bit of dizziness, sugar cravings, my left wrist hurts and my dreams are very weird.
This third week I am taking 5 drops and I start to feel a strange pain in my legs and knees, it is different when I have arthritis pain, I feel like when you walk alot or have PMS. I don´t have magnesium right know, It could be detox symptoms or I need magnesium and minerals?

 

[Laura]

This is what I thought too when I read your update post and the only other explanation that I can think of is that the DMSA provocation urine test is not accurate. Considering that I just recently did this myself and am planning on DMSA chelation I did a little googling to see what I could find out about the DMSA test. One of the very first things that comes up when you do a search like this:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

Now, I don't know anything about this "quackwatch.org", but browsing some of the other subjects on the site I am skeptical. The main argument in the article above is that the reference range used to measure the safe levels of metals in the body is established under non-provoked conditions whereas the test is using a provocation agent, so you are very likely to get a result that is outside the reference range. The test I had done was through Genova Diagnostics and I could not find any information on their site on how they establish their reference ranges. Just considering all the possibilities and would love to get others feedback on the link.

Yes, the medical profession would dearly love to keep you from knowing the truth about their ignorance. I read the above too, and it was so bad it "wasn't even wrong". Brownstein and others deal with these issues in their books.

Think about it this way: even mainstream doctors use DMSa to detox heavy metals in certain cases... so why would they even say that it doesn't work? Obviously it does. Why would they even say that it doesn't show what gets unloaded since it is freaking OBVIOUS to any idiot that you can't determine the amount of heavy metals lodged in tissues (without taking chunks of flesh from all over the body and putting it in the blender and then testing it) unless you PUSH it out chemically?

Sheesh. I even read the paper that article is based on and it was so pathetic I threw up my hands in despair.

 

[Gaby]

This is my third week taking Lugol´s iodine 12%. The first week I started with two drops and co-factors and the only thing I felt was more energy. The second week I took 3 drops the first three days and on the other days I took 4 drops and I had a headache, a little bit of dizziness, sugar cravings, my left wrist hurts and my dreams are very weird.
This third week I am taking 5 drops and I start to feel a strange pain in my legs and knees, it is different when I have arthritis pain, I feel like when you walk alot or have PMS. I don´t have magnesium right know, It could be detox symptoms or I need magnesium and minerals?

It does sound like detox symptoms. I would cut back to three drops every other day. If the symptoms don't go away, then you can wait two days before you take it again. That will give you time to detoxify what was mobilized. Slowly but surely also does it.

It is good to have minerals and magnesium too, it helps with detox.

 

[Konstantin]

Hi everybody. Today I got my hormone analysis and here are the results:

FT4: 16.5 (Normal: 10.0 - 25.0)

TSH: 11.5 (0.4 - 4.0)

Anti-TPO-AB: <10 (<35)

Calcitonin: 2.5 (<13.8)

As you can see, only the TSH is elevated. Everything else is normal. And in fact, my FT4 is much better then on three previous analysis (before it was 22.23, 21.05 and 22.92). Some labs use 22 as a upper limit for FT4 so doctors were always a little concerned about that.

My endocrinologist naturally diagnosed me with a hypothyroidism and prescribed me a 50mcg of Tivoral (Euthyrox).

What can I say, I really don't have a luck with timing because this is exactly that Dr Brownstein said that can happen when you start the iodine protocol - TSH rises to transport the extra iodine. Or maybe it was meant to be, maybe I had to see the ignorance of the doctors in the first hand. So now I officially have tachycardia with hypothyroidism, an interesting combination, don't you think?

But just to be sure, I would like ask you, should I take these hormone tablets?

About how I feel: ever since I increased the dosage to 3 drops I feel a slight soreness in my thyroid. It is not painful, and I don't feel it all the time, it just comes and goes. What is interesting is that at the same time I felt an improvement in my hearth condition. Not big, but it is noticeable.

Right now I am taking 6 drops per day and don't have any big negative symptoms like I did when I just started the protocol.

I would like to gradually increase my dose to 8 drops (50mg) to kill the possible negative microorganisms, but now I want to ask you is that still a good idea?

I have another scheduled hormone analysis in two months.

Hi Persej.

I was in same situation as you. After just few drops of Lugols i feel a pain in my thyroid and when i have done blood tests my TSH was also elevated. T3 and T4 were nornal
You can get back on this thread for about one month time period and read all that posts back then. ( end of January )

Its just iodine sodium symporter system activated. I`ll suggest to not take all those prescribed hormons.If you take them then you can make a real hormonal mess. I was also prescribed with hormone tablets, but i never took them.
When i saw my results i was freaking and panicking but after a month out of Iodine my tests show that everything is back in normal. So it was just iodine transport mechanism activated , not a hypothyroidism and doctors interpret it. They dont know nothing about iodine and its benefits. THey only know that its a poison and that you can use it for disinfection. Nothing more.

And you said that you have a lot of health benefits from iodine, then why stopping. Just take it very easy. Very low dosage , dont increase it unitil your body is getting used to it. Once you thyroid is saturated with iodine TSH will calm down. OR maybe you can stop for a while with iodine if you have too strong reactions. Just keep slowly.Take enough salted water, and cofactors and pay attention to your body .

I`m still off iodine and maybe very soon i`ll start again.

I have one question . Since my TSH was elevated by iodine, my lipid panel was also very high. So i`m just curious , have you checked your lipid panel and how are your results. I`m wondering if that was also disturbed by iodine too.

Take care, and dont worry.

 

[Konstantin]

Here is one interesting article about Heavy Metals Detox.

_http://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/28/Heavy-Metal-Toxicity-Depression-&-Anxiety.html

The diagram " mineral interactions " in the middle of the article is also very good i think.

 

[Alana]

Hi everybody. Today I got my hormone analysis and here are the results:

FT4: 16.5 (Normal: 10.0 - 25.0)

TSH: 11.5 (0.4 - 4.0)

Anti-TPO-AB: <10 (<35)

Calcitonin: 2.5 (<13.8)

As you can see, only the TSH is elevated. Everything else is normal. And in fact, my FT4 is much better then on three previous analysis (before it was 22.23, 21.05 and 22.92). Some labs use 22 as a upper limit for FT4 so doctors were always a little concerned about that.

My endocrinologist naturally diagnosed me with a hypothyroidism and prescribed me a 50mcg of Tivoral (Euthyrox).

What can I say, I really don't have a luck with timing because this is exactly that Dr Brownstein said that can happen when you start the iodine protocol - TSH rises to transport the extra iodine. Or maybe it was meant to be, maybe I had to see the ignorance of the doctors in the first hand. So now I officially have tachycardia with hypothyroidism, an interesting combination, don't you think?

But just to be sure, I would like ask you, should I take these hormone tablets?

About how I feel: ever since I increased the dosage to 3 drops I feel a slight soreness in my thyroid. It is not painful, and I don't feel it all the time, it just comes and goes. What is interesting is that at the same time I felt an improvement in my hearth condition. Not big, but it is noticeable.

Right now I am taking 6 drops per day and don't have any big negative symptoms like I did when I just started the protocol.

I would like to gradually increase my dose to 8 drops (50mg) to kill the possible negative microorganisms, but now I want to ask you is that still a good idea?

I have another scheduled hormone analysis in two months.

I think it shows ignorance on the part of your endocrinologist to suggest hormone therapy and give you a diagnosis of hypothyroidism with just your levels of TSH. Even most doctors I saw (and I have had way higher levels of TSH than you for over a decade now) make it a point to tell me in their medical language that it is a case of subclinical hypothyroidism, meaning that it is something to watch and do tests for maybe once a year just to monitor. Only one doctor wanted to put me on hormone meds but that was many years ago. I did my own study and decided to not follow his advice. Then a few years after I went gluten/dairy free, practiced EE regularly and was using the FAR saunas often, I did again the thyroid test and ALL my levels were within normal ranges.

My latest test last year showed TSH at 12, so it seems that there are many variables that affect the TSH levels and there can be fluctuation to them over time. Stress plays a big factor, diet, perhaps hormonal changes (for women at least, I think I entered the pre-menopausal era), toxins from the environment, detox protocols that temporarily create changes in the chemistry of the body until the "dust settles" again, stuff like that.

In any event, I won't have another thyroid hormone testing until it's been over 6 months after I started with the iodine, just to make sure that the TSH levels are not affected by the increase in iodine transporters. I am curious to see what, if any, changes will show with the introduction of iodine into my system.

As for whether to take more iodine or not, I am very conservative myself and have settled to 3 drops of 15% lugol's a day for a while now, taking a couple of days off per week to give some time to my body to detox in between. I recently added the chlorella/cilantro drops (4 drops/day) to my protocol and some detox assisting supplements along with the iodine co-factors, but I take these these alternately, not everyday the same stuff (except for salted water, vit C, and magnesium, those I take every day). As has been noted, every person is different, so pay attention to your body and a little at a time can go a long way.

 

[mk1154]

Yes, the medical profession would dearly love to keep you from knowing the truth about their ignorance. I read the above too, and it was so bad it "wasn't even wrong". Brownstein and others deal with these issues in their books.

Think about it this way: even mainstream doctors use DMSa to detox heavy metals in certain cases... so why would they even say that it doesn't work? Obviously it does. Why would they even say that it doesn't show what gets unloaded since it is freaking OBVIOUS to any idiot that you can't determine the amount of heavy metals lodged in tissues (without taking chunks of flesh from all over the body and putting it in the blender and then testing it) unless you PUSH it out chemically?

Sheesh. I even read the paper that article is based on and it was so pathetic I threw up my hands in despair.

Thanks, that makes sense. A lot of bad information out there it's good to get others critique of it.

 

[Gaby]

Thanks, that makes sense. A lot of bad information out there it's good to get others critique of it.

Specially when it comes to environmental toxicity. It is highly biased in favor towards the industry.

That everybody has mercury in the urine should not be used to discredit the test, but as a disturbing alarm that something is really amiss in our world. As Riki Ott says:

I believe that much of the environmental science (and social sciences as well) is being held hostage by powerful interests vested in oil, petrochemicals, the auto industry, and other corporations that grow rich on polluting our commons—the air, water, and soil we all share freely. It is not in corporations’ best interest to have science educate society about the true risks—the threat to life on earth—posed by side effects of their businesses. So these corporations buy scientists, university professors and others, to spin counter stories, create public confusion, and stall unfavorable policy changes.

“Whose truth are we talking about, your truth or my truth?” public relations specialist, John Scanlon, retorted to a reporter who had asked him whether he served his clients or the truth. Until science deals with its Achilles’ heel of advocacy science, it cannot meet society’s needs to protect life and we will continue to pollute our soil, air, and water, ourselves, and other life on this planet. Like lemmings,we are all racing towards the cliff. -Riki Ott, PhD. Sound Truth and Corporate Myth$: The Legacy of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill.

 

[Persej]

I was in same situation as you. After just few drops of Lugols i feel a pain in my thyroid and when i have done blood tests my TSH was also elevated. T3 and T4 were nornal
You can get back on this thread for about one month time period and read all that posts back then. ( end of January )

I found your results. If your TSH could've got that high with just a couple of days of iodine then it's no wonder why mine is so high after almost three months.

Its just iodine sodium symporter system activated. I`ll suggest to not take all those prescribed hormons.If you take them then you can make a real hormonal mess. I was also prescribed with hormone tablets, but i never took them.
When i saw my results i was freaking and panicking but after a month out of Iodine my tests show that everything is back in normal. So it was just iodine transport mechanism activated , not a hypothyroidism and doctors interpret it. They dont know nothing about iodine and its benefits. THey only know that its a poison and that you can use it for disinfection. Nothing more.

Yes. Well, at least now I know that my iodine sodium symporter system is working.

And you said that you have a lot of health benefits from iodine, then why stopping. Just take it very easy. Very low dosage , dont increase it unitil your body is getting used to it. Once you thyroid is saturated with iodine TSH will calm down. OR maybe you can stop for a while with iodine if you have too strong reactions. Just keep slowly.Take enough salted water, and cofactors and pay attention to your body .

Yes, I do feel several improvements with iodine. It's just that I don't feel any big improvements so far, and I wanted to get things going a little faster since my strong reactions disappeared, but in this situation I will slow down a little until my thyroid stabilizes. Today I took another 6 drops and feel fine. But I will take a pause during the weekend.

I have one question . Since my TSH was elevated by iodine, my lipid panel was also very high. So i`m just curious , have you checked your lipid panel and how are your results. I`m wondering if that was also disturbed by iodine too.

I haven't, but that's a good question. Dr Brownstein did mention that iodine is doing something with fat cells. So maybe cholesterol is somehow involved in that.

 

[dugdeep]

Just thought I'd cross-post this here in case anyone missed it - people should check out the Health and Wellness Show interview with Lynne Farrow (The Iodine Crisis). It was a great interview and Lynne gave a lot of valuable information about iodine :)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradionetwork/2016/02/26/health-wellness-show-the-iodine-crisis--interview-with-lynne-farrow

 

[Persej]

I think it shows ignorance on the part of your endocrinologist to suggest hormone therapy and give you a diagnosis of hypothyroidism with just your levels of TSH. Even most doctors I saw (and I have had way higher levels of TSH than you for over a decade now) make it a point to tell me in their medical language that it is a case of subclinical hypothyroidism, meaning that it is something to watch and do tests for maybe once a year just to monitor. Only one doctor wanted to put me on hormone meds but that was many years ago. I did my own study and decided to not follow his advice. Then a few years after I went gluten/dairy free, practiced EE regularly and was using the FAR saunas often, I did again the thyroid test and ALL my levels were within normal ranges.

I was diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism when my TSH was 6. But this 11.5 is apparently way too much for our endocrinologists.
It seems that doctors are so eager to treat all the things that don't have to be treated, and not interested in treating the things that should be treated (like viruses and bacteria).

 

[Gaby]

I was diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism when my TSH was 6. But this 11.5 is apparently way too much for our endocrinologists.

I have a friend who had his TSH at 10 and was very tired. Still, the doctor was against giving him medication. She was old school, so to speak.

His previous TSH was 5 and after he started the keto diet, he felt more tired. After checking his TSH, it was 10.

We discussed about it and he decided to ease up the keto diet and started to drink fresh spring water (non fluoridated). He also did a couple of blood donations and took thyroid support supplements.

This was last year. He got better and the tiredness went away. I couldn't even manage to get him interested in the iodine research. Then last week, after a year, his tests were repeated. The TSH was in 5 again.

The doc never insisted in repeating the tests, nor in giving him prescriptions, nothing at all. It is discouraging to realize that she is among very few practitioners that take this approach.

It is really disturbing and abnormal to see so many docs pushing thyroid hormones when they are not merited.

 

[Gaby]

Just thought I'd cross-post this here in case anyone missed it - people should check out the Health and Wellness Show interview with Lynne Farrow (The Iodine Crisis). It was a great interview and Lynne gave a lot of valuable information about iodine :)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradionetwork/2016/02/26/health-wellness-show-the-iodine-crisis--interview-with-lynne-farrow

It was really good! We talked about many things, including several testimonials and tips derived from people's experiences with iodine over the last 10 years in their groups.

Iodine withdrawal and the heel protocol for those with detox symptoms even with one single drop of lugol are discussed.

I'll ask if the show can be transcribed for future reference.