Session 23 May 2020

Benjamin

Jedi Master
Hi Alejo and Benjamin, I was wondering in addition to the questions of knowing the nature of your "encounters", if as a result of this "your life" had changed in one way or another?

Hi @zak. I had to think about this question a bit because it's not that easy for me to answer.

If you think that before the event I started out as a scrawny 'Steve Rogers' with people saying things like: "Jesus! Somebody get that kid a sandwich," to the perfect statue of 'Captain America' manhood in every regard physically, emotionally, mentally and Harry Pottery, then you are sorely mistaken.

To see little creatures emerging from under dry leaves is nothing amazing. To look upon little creatures that are so different to anything you have seen before is unique but can still be explained away eventually being summed up as 'strange bugs'. But to see them disappear back under dry leaves and then vanish completely when all one's logic and the terrain itself prove they should still be there leaving one to exclaim "Where the hell did they go," is the moment I was changed, in this case. Thinking about how they disappeared and comparing all the similarities to how they appeared and realizing that they did not travel from further down the fence-line but instead appeared 'right there' and disappeared 'right there,' made me wonder how it happened which also made me think of what they were. As Trinity from the first Matrix stated: "It's the question that drive's us, Neo." I had questions, and now I'm here and that event was from 19 years ago. I still have questions about this event because the "knowing the nature" is ongoing. I'm 'getting an idea' of what they are and 'where they're from' but nothing concrete and everything very liquid.

Many people have seen a UFO. Were they changed in some way? Probably. I've never seen one that I could identify as a UFO. But I believe they exist. Do I need to see one to be changed? In a way these 'insects' were kinda my UFO. I have no evidence except my story of what I saw.

Have I changed from this event? Yes. Was it a major event? Yes. One of several. The more I think about your question, the harder it is for me to answer. I suppose this event made me want to find an answer... So ultimately, my life changed for the better. 👍
 

zak

Dagobah Resident
Thank you Benjamin.
As I read your answer, the cat in Schrödinger's experience came to mind:
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And also the Wheeler's delay-choice experience, which in 1978, after the double-slit/Young experiment, John Archibald Wheeler had noticed that "a photon could well somehow know in advance whether an observation was going to be made or not, and modify its behaviour accordingly. To test this hypothesis he proposed a thought experiment in which the decision to observe photons was taken only after they had been emitted."


More: Comment on “Experimental realization of Wheeler’s delayed-choiceGedankenExperiment”

Have I changed from this event? Yes. Was it a major event? Yes. One of several. The more I think about your question, the harder it is for me to answer. I suppose this event made me want to find an answer... So ultimately, my life changed for the better.
Also in another way, when I was 10 years old I got lost in the Parisian metro by getting off at the wrong station, it was terrible and at the same time so easy, I just had to go to the other side to take the opposite train, but I didn't know how, nobody had taught me how and having always got off at the right station, I didn't ask myself the question.
And at that moment I lived outside the time I usually knew, and with a certain anxiety I followed the movement of the crowd, "not lost me", but of my own evidence I was not leading a lot.
So trembling I grabbed the bottom of a giant's beige mackintosh to ask him for directions, and gently with his reassuring voice he put me back on track.
At the end of the day not only was I better, but I had a new world where I could get lost in the metro and know my way.

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c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Hello

Remember the December 2018 session where the crew were talkin about Oumuamua? The C´s said "Just wait a bit longer and all will become clear".
A colleague of mine once noted that every morning there is a long line of customers stretching out from a famous Parisian bakery into the street. “I wish someone would wait for my scientific papers with as much anticipation as Parisians eagerly stand by for their baguettes,” he said.

There is one exception to this wish, however. It involves fresh scientific evidence that we are not be the only intelligent species in the cosmos.

Recently, there have been two sources for such evidence.

First, the interstellar object discovered in 2017, ‘Oumuamua, was inferred to have a flat shape and seemed to be pushed away from the sun as if it were a lightsail. This “pancake” was tumbling once every eight hours and originated from the rare state of the local standard of rest—which averages over the motions of all the stars in the vicinity of the sun.

Second, the Pentagon is about to deliver a report to Congress stating that some unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) are real but that their nature is unknown. If UAP originated from China or Russia and were a national security risk, their existence would have never been revealed to the public. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that the U.S. government believes that some of these objects are not human in origin. This leaves two possibilities: Either UAP are natural terrestrial phenomena or they are extraterrestrial in origin. Both possibilities imply something new and interesting that we did not know before. The study of UAP should therefore shift from occupying the talking points of national security administrators and politicians to the arena of science where it is studied by scientists rather than government officials.

Many or even most UAP might be natural phenomena. But even if one of them is extraterrestrial, might there be any possible link to ‘Oumuamua?

The inferred abundance of ‘Oumuamua-like objects is unreasonably large if they’re of purely natural origin. With Amaya Moro-Martín and Ed Turner, I wrote a paper in 2009 calculating the number of interstellar rocks based on what is known about the solar system and assuming that these rocks were ejected from similar planetary systems orbiting other stars. The population of objects required to explain the discovery of ‘Oumuamua exceeds the expected number of interstellar rocks per unit volume by orders of magnitude. In fact, there should be a quadrillion ‘Oumuamua-like objects within the solar system at any given time, if they are distributed on random trajectories with equal probability of moving in all directions.

But the number is reasonable if ‘Oumuamua was an artificial object on a targeted mission towards the sun, aimed to collect data from the habitable region near Earth
. One might even wonder whether ‘Oumuamua might have been retrieving data from probes that were already sprinkled on Earth at an earlier time. In such a case, ‘Oumuamua’s thin, flat shape could have been that of a receiver. Hence, ‘Oumuamua was pushed by sunlight not for the purpose of propulsion but as a byproduct of its thin flat shape. A similar push by reflection of sunlight without a cometary tail were the traits of an artificial rocket booster that was identified in 2020 by the same Pan-STARRS telescope that discovered ‘Oumuamua. This artificial object named 2020 SO was not designed to be a solar sail but had thin walls with a large surface-to-mass ratio for a different purpose.

At this time, the possibility that any UAP are extraterrestrial is highly speculative. But if we entertain this possibility for fun, then the tumbling motion of ‘Oumuamua could potentially have been meant to scan signals from all viewing directions. A predecessor to ‘Oumuamua could have been a craft that deposited small probes into the Earth’s atmosphere without being noticed, because it visited before Pan-STARRS started its operations. Along this imaginative line of reasoning, ‘Oumuamua could have arranged to appear as coming from the neutral local standard of rest, which serves as the local “galactic parking lot,” so that its origin would remain unknown.

But rather than simply wonder about possible scenarios, we should collect better scientific data and clarify the nature of UAP. This can be done by deploying state-of-the-art cameras on wide-field telescopes that monitor the sky. The sky is not classified; only government-owned sensors are. By searching for unusual phenomena in the same geographical locations from where the UAP reports came, scientists could clear up the mystery in a transparent analysis of open data.

As noted in my recent book Extraterrestrial, I do not enjoy science fiction stories because the story lines often violate the laws of physics. But we should be open-minded to the possibility that science will one day reveal a reality that was previously considered as fiction.

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goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
The inferred abundance of ‘Oumuamua-like objects is unreasonably large if they’re of purely natural origin. With Amaya Moro-Martín and Ed Turner, I wrote a paper in 2009 calculating the number of interstellar rocks based on what is known about the solar system and assuming that these rocks were ejected from similar planetary systems orbiting other stars.

@c.a. ,

If that is a paper you wrote I don't see any author mentioned.

It shows some references to :

Amaya Moro-Mart ́ın1,2 Edwin L. Turner3,4 Abraham Loeb5

Could you fill us in on your astronomical background a bit? Are you Abraham Loeb5?

The concept of Oumuamua being an antenna is very interesting.
 

c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Q: (Pierre) They're talking of electromachining of the surface of the planet...

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Electromachining means basically arcing...

(Joe) Moving lightning along the ground.

(Pierre) Long-lasting moving lightning.

(Joe) Chasing people!

(Andromeda) That's coming soon?

A: Soon enough.

Q: (L) Soon enough, but not right away.

(Pierre) Usually this electromachining occurs between our planet and a highly charge body like a comet. Will a comet be the source of these discharges?

(Joe) That's what I just asked.

A: Wait and see. That is not the only source of such phenomena!
 
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