visibility of the 4th density

[abstract]

Until you read that book, In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky, you are initially using a different dictionary or language so to speak.

yup, words have a different meaning on this forum.

 

[Guardian]

Seriously though, I think part of my difficulty in understanding simply comes from not assigning the same meanings to certain words as yawl do. I'm gett'in the hang of how you mean what though...sorta. ;D

Hi Guardian,

Until you read that book, In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky, you are essentially using a different dictionary or language so to speak. :)

Yeah, I noticed that, because by my current definition of "Will" if I (or anyone else) had more than one, we'd pop.
Time to add another book to the ever growing stack :)

 

[Z...]

IMO ISOTM is one of the most important preparatory books for Work.
I read it very late, thanks to QFS discussions at the time I was lucky enough to read most important extracts as quoted by other members applied to different situations, but still in retrospect I can see now how far behind I was at the time. There was not one but many AHA moments when I finally read the whole book.
And there were still more AHA moments when I read it for the second time.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Seriously though, I think part of my difficulty in understanding simply comes from not assigning the same meanings to certain words as yawl do. I'm gett'in the hang of how you mean what though...sorta. ;D

Hi,

Not sure if you are aware of the Cassiopaea Glossery, might help you with some of the terms...

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php

 

[Guardian]

Not sure if you are aware of the Cassiopaea Glossery, might help you with some of the terms...

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php

Thanks, yes it does...but in some ways you need to understand the glossary to understand the glossary. I'm working on it, but there's sooo much to pick from, it's like an "All you can eat" word bar. :)

I just automatically hit the ponerology/predator material first. I think that might have been animal instinct too ;)

 

[un chien anadolu]

We are not in control of our own internal states -

We're not? Then who is?

they are dependent on what happens to us throughout a day.

??????
Our external world certainly controls what happens to us externally, and our external world can/does affect how we choose to apply our will, but if our regular internal states were actually controlled by external stuff...that would be TERRIBLE!!

Hi Guardian, your reaction reminded me Castenada's reaction when Don Juan told him the predators mind, fwiw.

"Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're describing, don Juan?" I asked.
"There must be a logical explanation."
"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world.
They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."
I felt that my head was shaking violently from side to side. I could not express my profound sense of unease and discontentment, but my body moved to bring it to the surface. I shook from head to toe without any volition on my part.
"No, no, no, no," I heard myself saying. "This is absurd, don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone."

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."
"But how can they do this, don Juan?" I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?"
"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

 

[Guardian]

Hi Guardian, your reaction reminded me Castenada's reaction when Don Juan told him the predators mind, fwiw.

How interesting. I had a VERY nasty run in with him and his so called "Witches" back when his ex-wife was writing a book about him. In my personal experience, that man was a predator!

 

[LQB]

How interesting. I had a VERY nasty run in with him and his so called "Witches" back when his ex-wife was writing a book about him. In my personal experience, that man was a predator!

Hi Guardian, can you elaborate a bit more on that? I've run across a number of similar references.

 

[Guardian]

Hi Guardian, can you elaborate a bit more on that?

He was an oversexed, dirty old man with a little harem that liked to style themselves "Guardian Witches" He and his ex-wife had been been divorced for a couple of decades when she started trying to write a book about her experiences with him. He made up much of his "history" and she knew it so he and his minions tried to stop her using a wide variety of methods...none of which were successful.

I was just googling to see if Margaret is still alive...she wasn't young with this all went down in the late 90's. Someone told me she moved back to Virginia at some point, and they also had a son in Georgia.

I never actually read Margaret's book because I didn't really care what she wanted to write...just that she had the right to write it without being threatened, bullied, terrorized, etc.

 

[LQB]

Hi Guardian, can you elaborate a bit more on that?

He was an oversexed, dirty old man with a little harem that liked to style themselves "Guardian Witches" He and his ex-wife had been been divorced for a couple of decades when she started trying to write a book about her experiences with him. He made up much of his "history" and she knew it so he and his minions tried to stop her using a wide variety of methods...none of which were successful.

I was just googling to see if Margaret is still alive...she wasn't young with this all went down in the late 90's. Someone told me she moved back to Virginia at some point, and they also had a son in Georgia.

I never actually read Margaret's book because I didn't really care what she wanted to write...just that she had the right to write it without being threatened, bullied, terrorized, etc.

Thanks Guardian,
LQB

 

[Beau]

Hi Guardian, your reaction reminded me Castenada's reaction when Don Juan told him the predators mind, fwiw.

How interesting. I had a VERY nasty run in with him and his so called "Witches" back when his ex-wife was writing a book about him. In my personal experience, that man was a predator!

I'm not really sure how the two above relate. I think you are misunderstanding the term predator from predator's mind, as explicated here - http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Predator%27s_Mind

 

[un chien anadolu]

Hi Guardian, can you elaborate a bit more on that?

He was an oversexed, dirty old man with a little harem that liked to style themselves "Guardian Witches" He and his ex-wife had been been divorced for a couple of decades when she started trying to write a book about her experiences with him. He made up much of his "history" and she knew it so he and his minions tried to stop her using a wide variety of methods...none of which were successful.

I was just googling to see if Margaret is still alive...she wasn't young with this all went down in the late 90's. Someone told me she moved back to Virginia at some point, and they also had a son in Georgia.

I never actually read Margaret's book because I didn't really care what she wanted to write...just that she had the right to write it without being threatened, bullied, terrorized, etc.

I am glad that you brought this up. How are you sure that this is not a part of a defamation campaign against Carlos Castaneda and the manipulation of a disappointed and sad wife by the conductors of this campaign ? But maybe not, i am not sure. But I guess we are all familiar to the mechanisms of such defamation campaigns and how powerful they can be.

Here is a BBC documentary which is a part of the same campaign IMO :

_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8575648331106173390#

I watched it some time ago and although after watching it some questions arose in my mind , I thought that it could be quite probable that this is a product of some jealous opponents and some dumb, new-agey people who in the first place were the followers of the teachings and then failed to grasp the core concept and got angry.
But maybe I am wrong. So if anyone has more information about it I would be glad to learn.

But anyway, after reading a couple of books of Castaneda about 20 years ago I heard that there was a claim that Don Juan was a fiction character made up by Castaneda. You know what, I didn't care if he does exist or not. And still I don't.(of course I am talking about this part of the anti-Castaneda claims).
For me it is important that fragments of the teachings of Don Juan amazingly corresponds to other knowledge sources I trust.

 

[Guardian]

Hi Guardian, your reaction reminded me Castenada's reaction when Don Juan told him the predators mind, fwiw.

How interesting. I had a VERY nasty run in with him and his so called "Witches" back when his ex-wife was writing a book about him. In my personal experience, that man was a predator!

I'm not really sure how the two above relate. I think you are misunderstanding the term predator from predator's mind, as explicated here - http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Predator%27s_Mind

Probably...but I can't get the link to load for some reason. I'll try it again later.

By "predator" I meant a spiritual guru who made it a habit of convincing younger women that having sex with him was the key to their spirtual enlightenment.

 

[Guardian]

I am glad that you brought this up. How are you sure that this is not a part of a defamation campaign against Carlos Castaneda and the manipulation of a disappointed and sad wife by the conductors of this campaign ?

Because I am speaking about my personal experience with the "Clan" (which is what they called themselves at the time) when I had the audacity to speak out against their great guru at an event called "Starwood" in NY. As I recall, the ex-dead one was particularly vicious when I found evidence of the fact that she'd been in rehab...not dead.

I know a Pagan scam when I see one, and that's what I saw them running....for cash of course.

 

[Guardian]

Here is a BBC documentary which is a part of the same campaign IMO :

_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8575648331106173390#

Interesting video, although I have serious doubts that the Norse nannies are dead. I strongly suspect they are hiding somewhere spending Carlos' millions.