Then they tell us that quite a few of their friends have recently died from strokes or who are suffering from severe heart problems, but of course they account all that to old age and for the youngsters who die or get maimed, they refuse to look beyond what the media and PTB tell them to think. They literally do not see it, i think they really can't. I am reminded of James Lindsay's article about the creation and existence of pseudo-realities and the use of paralogic and paramorality. Truly fascinating.

It truly is. My wife told me the following story from her online language trainer: after a break for a few months, they restarted the language sessions, and the trainer told my wife that she got her vaccine in May, felt terrible afterwards for 2 weeks, then got Covid (!), felt REALLY terrible and had to be treated, and only now can she work again, even though she still feels the effects of Covid. And then - wait - after learning that my wife is not vaccinated, she told my wife that she should absolutely get the shot!! Like "Hey, I got vaccinated against Covid, felt horrible, then got Covid, which screwed me up, so yay! You should get your shot too!" :umm:

I notice in myself that i experience no bodily sensations like i used to when having had to spend time with them, like a tightening of the solar plexus or feelings of aggression and such. I tried to be very considerate, like treating an other self, an expression of the Creator, how i would like to be treated. To the very best of my ability! That seems to work well. I do not even feel particularly drained whereas in the past (hadn't seen them for 2 years) it would cost me days to recover.

That is interesting. Perhaps we really do live in a different universe than some of the believers, and we therefore feel more distance and are not triggered so much anymore even by things that have nothing to do with Covid? It is kind of sad, too, as if a bond that was there before (both positive and negative) simply dissolves?
 
The behaviour of the rulers are so predictable.The social experiment of removing all restrictions just at the start of the autumn flu season, means that now the people will be even more angry against those who are not vaccinated as if they are the ones who are the cause of the next round of lockdowns.
Now 2 weeks later and the Danish government had a corona meeting due to the 'alarming' increase in numbers. The numbers as an article details are indeed 'alarming' with now 303 people in hospital with corona and 36 in ICU...in a country of 6 million people :scared::huh::rolleyes:
What is more is that they don't give the raw numbers of who is in hospital, but instead says that amongst the non-vaccinated the number is 15.7 per 100000 versus 4.3 per 100000 amongst vaccinated. Since the number of vaccinated is above 80% this would mean that more vaccinated are in hospital than un-vaccinated.

Denmark has 246 ICU beds per 100.000 or roughly 14760 ICU beds. This means that covid patients take up 0.24%. I encourage all to spare a prayer for Denmark where covid is clearly putting enormous strains on the medical system. :nuts:
Anyone who seriously believe that there is a medical emergency in Denmark has lost their thinking abilities and probably to a very detrimental point. If ICU capacity was the problem which it isn't, then why not build more ICU as it would clearly be cheaper than pushing for the 3rd jab, which is now being pushed as urgent.

So they have decided to re-introduce the corona pass, make the 3 jab a matter of urgency, re-introduce the mask and massively blame the non-vaccinated. The PM, Mette Frederiksen, made it clear that the blame was lying squarely on 'those who don't play by the rules', aka. the non vaccinated.

It will be interesting to see how this psychological experiment on the Danish population - of first taking freedoms away, then giving some back and now to take those freedoms away again while putting the blame squarely on the non-vaccinated - will play out.
 
Hi everyone

Not sure in this long thread PANDA was mentioned. They are a non profit organization running stats and information around the COVID pandemic:


There was an interesting interview released recently with Nick Hudson; the head of PANDA summarizing nicely the pandemic and the damage done:


Regards
Ian
Video already removed from YouTube.

I see the FB one is still up:
 
Whilst I understand you feel frustrated, this forum is a place of open debate and sharing. So please do try and remember that when you post.
Hi Michael, thanks for addressing my concerns in a reasoned way. I acknowledge my post was somewhat provocative; in my opinion there's been way too much reposting of anything that vaguely relates to the coronavirus, pointless speculation, FUD, and not enough meta-analysis and 'seeing the unseen'. This thread is over 1500 pages now, and a massive statistical outlier to any other discussion on the forum. New readers are not going to read 1500 pages of discussion to come up to speed on this. I think we need to look at condensing this discussion in the same way that Pierre was able to condense a tsunami of information into three very concise and relevant articles.

Any suggestion that such an important and popular thread as this should be in some way censored isn't constructive or appropriate.
We don't let pathological deviants spout off whatever psychotic nonsense comes out of their heads on this forum. There are rules to keep the signal to noise ratio in favour of signal. I'm the last person who would be in favour of censorship, but the PTB don't seem to be tiring of flogging the bejesus out of the rotting carcass of Sars-CoV-2 yet, so the least we should do is filter the signal more substantially.

Yes we could all do well to remember that in a time of fast moving day-to-day developments we need to remain as objective and removed from the eye of the storm as possible, and indeed exercise extra due diligence before racing to post every new issue we come across as if were gospel.
Exactly. I get the impression that much of what gets posted here is just people looking to get "scoop" points for posting the latest news item first. It would be nice if people could add their own commentary as to why a particular item is worthy of posting and "connect some dots" more often.

But we also need to remember everyone without exception is under great stress and strain and doing what they can to stay sane and orderly and it is our duty of care for each other not to lash out, whatever is going on in our own lives at the time.
If people are posting endless feeds of tweets, articles and videos here as some sort of "stress relief" exercise, they need to be working on themselves to better adapt to the stress. What would happen to them if they lost their Internet access tomorrow?

whatever the strength of ones case one never succeeds in bringing truth to the surface by resorting to insults.
Point taken. Considering that people are dying because of the pandemic lie though, I think a few insults is the least of what the coronavirus disinfo types deserve.

I would suggest that much of this false debate has emerged from the information vacuum and deliberate misinformation that existed for far too long, most likely a result of the system's attempts to limit access to the full virus sequence because those who did see it too often openly stated it showed significant signs of human manipulation - and that indeed it was not 'novel' in the strict meaning of the natural term. As a result many authorities attempted to block access or obfuscate and this has in many ways helped fuel the theory that actually there is no virus to begin with. FWIW.
I'm not so sure of this. The genomic information of Sars-CoV-2 is freely available to any member of the public who registers for GISAID access. The reference sequence ID is EPI_ISL_402124:


It's far more likely that nobody has bothered to check, rather than there being any grand conspiracy to restrict access to scientific information about Sars-CoV-2. The real conspiracy is more that the media has marginalised scientists that have checked and dared to disrupt the mainstream narrative.

You might want to rethink this paragraph. There are indeed issues such as:

1. Process inventor Kary Mullis stating on numerous occasions that PCR is not a diagnostic tool and if used as such will provide false data.
He was referring to the PCR test in the context of clinical diagnosis of a disease. As a diagnostic tool for virus identification under laboratory conditions and analysis, it's highly reliable, that's why he shared the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for it in 1993. Interestingly, Kary Mullis died on August 7th, 2019, long before Sars-CoV-2 was publicly known of.

2. The entire pandemic was fundamentally built on the back of Drosten PCR test which was thoroughly debunked back in November 2020 by some of the worlds leading experts in an independent peer review in which they outlined no fewer than 10 major scientific flaws. This test has been used worldwide to justify the need for further lockdowns etc.
It's one thing to claim the PCR test is unreliable as a diagnostic tool on a mass scale and as a basis for major policy decisions. It's another to claim that the technological or methodological flaws in the test prove that there's insufficient evidence that the virus exists.

3. The protocol setting of PCR levels at 40+ cycles by bodies such as the CDC and WHO guaranteed a test-demic because all literature associated with the product as well as multiple studies reveal this leads inexorably to a tidal wave of false positives.

No its not PCR's fault. Yes there is a problem with PCR used this way. I'm sure that's what you meant but perhaps it would have been better to focus on this instead of claiming what you did, don't you think?
Like I said, I realise my post was provocative. It was intended to be. Perhaps I should have 'smoothed it out' a little more though.

What on earth are you talking about? That I doubt the official narrative coming out of the 'medical experts' and politicians mouths? That they are so efficient in 'correctly' analysing many tens of thousands of PCR's in a day? NO medical institution is that efficient or competent.
In the context of what was being discussed, the implication was that you were dismissing Ian McKay's valid and truthful article.

At this point, I, for one, am unlikely to believe anything coming from 'down under' either in the medical or political field. SO many players have been corrupted and compromised, there is no-one telling the truth IMO.
I will stop there.
Good idea.
 
We don't let pathological deviants spout off whatever psychotic nonsense comes out of their heads on this forum.
In general I agree to this...concept. However, for this specific emphasis, I can only say 'Ouch!'. Having said that, I think I understand your reaction, though, enough to tell you that I appreciated the techniques mentioned in the paper, although, I only came close to a cryo state system once in the lab I was working at the time, when I had to clean it.
AtB.
 
his video was probably shared earlier in this thread, but since the subject of PCR is being discussed, here it is again. Questions about PCR being asked and answered by Dr Kary Mullis, Nobel Laureate Chemist and inventor of the PCR.
Great minds think alike! ☺️ I had already composed the following before I saw your post -

Holy WOW - this vid of Kary Mullis! I only ever saw the one in which he just called out Fauci. He says so much more in this one and SO applicable to today [6:59]:


"instead of wearing white robes, they wear white lab coats"

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A more accurate depiction would have those crosses inverted.
 
Because the commenter is clearly not making an effort to understand, or is intentionally trying to obfuscate.


There is no "issue". The PCR test has been around since the early 80's. The reason it was so quickly prepared was due to it being a tried and tested process for detecting viral DNA. As Ian pointed out, technology has advanced to the point now where viruses can have their DNA completely sequenced before a PCR test is formulated for mass usage.


As stated so well by the C's, sometimes sitting on the fence makes you the perfect target for snipers.


No, we don't need to "be careful" with it at all. It's obvious BS for those with eyes to see, and there's enough information to review as is without undiscerning fruitloops with a solipsism fetish pushing that nonsense. Every time I check this thread I'm amazed by the amount of garbage that's given air. I think it's about time we locked it and require any extra posts to have moderator approval before being added. Some people here need a reality check by the looks of things.


Congratulations on being successfully vectored into throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
What is "obvious BS"? Your favorite article mentions the PCR numerous times. Are you very familiar with the process? Are you very familiar with Drosten?

What I am suggesting is not a fence-sitting issue. Simply put, your favorite "Sigh..." article as well as those that promote "no virus" are both potentially inaccurate. Investing heavily in either could, at this point, be premature.

Locking this thread and needing "moderator approval" to carry on networking? What?

You sound angry Ryan. And obviously your cup is full.
 
There's a lot of smoke and mirrors, yes, but that does not mean we consign every theory to the "possible" category. Our task is to sort truth from lives and try to reach a close approximation of the truth. That task is not advanced by leaving everything 'open'.
The problem here Joe, is that articles or "experts" who have "proven" it's existance rely on our favorite PCR which is problematic.

I'm not at all suggesting that the bugger doesn't exist. I do however question the "proof" that it does. What does it mean when the term "sequence" is used? How exactly does one sequence this virus?

And how does the infamous PCR find this particular virus? And why was the PCR "test" created so quickly? And by whom? Why, if they have truly isolated and sequenced it, do roads not lead back to the lab where it was created?

We've been through all this before of course. There are holes in the "Sigh..." article. The fact that "fact-checkers" refere to the same should raise a red flag.

Throwing out anything said by Dr Martin because he questions these holes doesn't sound like critical thinking to me. Just my opinion.
 
We don't let pathological deviants spout off whatever psychotic nonsense comes out of their heads on this forum. There are rules to keep the signal to noise ratio in favour of signal. I'm the last person who would be in favour of censorship, but the PTB don't seem to be tiring of flogging the bejesus out of the rotting carcass of Sars-CoV-2 yet, so the least we should do is filter the signal more substantially


Like I said, I realise my post was provocative. It was intended to be. Perhaps I should have 'smoothed it out' a little more though.

@ Ryan, who is the "We" that decides if a poster is a pathological deviant. They could just be lacking in information and critical thinking. This is an open forum to exchange knowledge and ideas. if voices a re shut down how can one asses the validity or veracity of what they add to the conversation, without input and assessment of further information. Also, who decides what is psychotic nonsense, one could argue, that most of the world at this time is experiencing a mass psychosis,

Yes this post IMO is particularity provocative.
 
Yeah one issue with this thread Is that it has become a catch-all like the proverbial office water cooler where all manner of gossip is discussed and exchanged. So a little more discernment about what thread to post in and external consideration might indeed be a thing.

That said, the notion of just shutting it down with some level of censorship is...

Maybe a bit too ironic.
 
There are no countries, only souls
No countries, only souls and yet as part of the whole picture, Denmark is about to reinstate some Covid measures after two months without major restrictions. The PM put the blame for the new rise in cases on those who are not yet vaccinated. After having reached 76 % vaccinated and with 1.25 % having received one shot, the PM has promised they will make life more difficult for those that are not yet vaccinated with initiatives soon to be revealed.

Some companies lead the way in forcing their employees to take the vaccination or get fired. In the following article: there is a suggestion of increasing the pressure. It is symptomatic of the atmosphere. The author misrepresents the arguments of the people who are unconvinced that vaccination is the right thing to do, and picks on those who are the least informed but sense what is wrong. Then he moves on to claim they are all self-absorbed and inconsiderate. Having done that, he concludes that one should force them to take the injections or get fired. It is written by a former government press officer, and it is:
Anders Heide Mortensen is a commentator on Finans and a communications consultant. He holds a Master of Science in Political Science and is a former press officer at the Ministry of Economic Affairs and the Ministry of Finance.
I will need to make a note of paper with the arguments and then be prepared to oppose regurgitated versions. He is in fact not saying much else than many people, being convinced about these injections, are saying among themselves in different words.
Now Dad is taking you to get vaccinated. Period [Nu tager far med dig hen for at blive vaccineret. Punktum ]
No. This isn't really about you. You, who don't WANT to be vaccinated. The end.
09.11.2021 AT 05:50

After A.P. Møller-Mærsk and Rema 1000 have demanded vaccination of their employees, it must be allowed to ask when the Confederation of Danish Industry and the Confederation of Danish Enterprise will formulate a small, informative brochure for their member companies entitled: "How to abuse your employees".

No, I am not in favour of abuse, certainly not, but abuse is the project that Danish industry must unfortunately embark upon.

Abuse of vaccination opponents.

The brilliant commentator at Berlingske Anne Sophia Hermansen wrote a debate piece on the matter at the weekend

The post was good - the comment port on LinkedIn was almost better. Understood in the sense that vaccination opponents conquered the thread and rolled out their battery of somewhat opinionated weirdly imagined and 150 pct ravingly insane counter-arguments.

Examples. Jada: That Pfizer has bribed US health regulators to turn a blind eye to serious side effects, and therefore no one dares tell why vaccinated are suddenly afflicted with osteoarthritis, migraines and groin fungus.

Okay, the disease thing is exaggerated. But not the first one. Not the rabble-rousing. Not that a conspiracy that the rest of us don't want to see is doing things to us that we can't see because the FDA, world communism, Soren Brostrom [head of the Danish Health Authority] and/or Mette Frederiksen [PM] have manipulated our minds.

That, Danish Industry and Danish Business, is the explanation for why you should have the brochure produced. Unless, of course, you are in favour of the status quo, where an unvaccinated "Michael", "Carsten", "Mohammed", "Helle" or "RosalinaClamydia" in the logistics department can go around triumphantly spreading infection under the slogan: It is my right to say no. It is my right not to submit.

It tastes of personal freedom, doesn't it? But it's a magic trick. The real argument is that as long as there is uncertainty about the coverage of vaccination, and as long as you can find holes in the authorities' arguments, one truth is as good as another. At least. And therefore I can do what feels right to me.

Their actual parole is: It's all about me. You see?

That attitude is cumbersome in a business and impractical in a society. After Michael or Mohammed has carried the infection around the canteen, a colleague might have to visit a nursing home or a cancer ward. Michael and Mohammed have only one thing on their minds, and that is their right to cough through and be strongly against Corona pass and vaccination and Mette Frederiksen [The PM]. The cancer patient or elderly citizen who gets Corona probably has other things on his mind. And when their relatives - Michael's and Mohammed's, colleague - start to be on call, the company gets the bill: absenteeism, sick leave, sudden absence from work.

Young people are the active opponents of vaccination. One in eight of the 18-29 and 30-39 age groups does not want to be vaccinated. One in eight 18-29 and 30-39 year olds DO NOT WANT to be vaccinated. This is the finding of a research project.

Somehow someone has got the idea that you can't afford to bend a 26-year-old accountant or 32-year-old logistics worker in half and explain that it will be my way or the highway. That now comes the abuse. If you look at it that way.

And while we're being escorted to the nearest vaccination centre - because otherwise it's isolation and work from home - you can consider whether it's a lack of education, needle anxiety, quackery or a misplaced urge to be that has kept you from the jab so far. And here it comes. Now. And that wasn't so bad. Was it?

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) with minor manual corrections.
A spill-over effect of the article with its rude and obtuse reasoning is that some parents may behave with their unwilling children, teenagers and young adults just this way, if they have not already done it. How is forcing others to get injected with a needle and not only that but with stuff that does no good to the body not some kind of torture? If one had a more gross instrument and could subject others to the side effects a certain percentage are experiencing from the injections, would it not be criminal? If those who live by the sword will die by the sword, will those who live by the needle die by the needle?

A: Silence in the face of "evil" is equal to participation unless there is a good reason for the silence that serves a higher goal.

Q: (Joe) That's really interesting because it kind of explains the whole debate over torture, and how they've been trying to get people to accept torture. And more and more facts coming out about the reality of the CIA having tortured and trying to twist that around to get people to accept that as something that is conscionable.

A: Acceptance of torture is the "mark of the beast."
Reading the article upset me, I thought about Defying Hitler by Sebastian Haffner and what he must have experienced. Unfortunately, the article is similar to so much else, and I came back to "There are no countries, only souls." For the souls, there seem to be three options, graduate to 4D, redo 3D, or start all over.

Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As ancient mankind?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this punishment.

A: No. Nature.

Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?

A: Yes.
To the above add the idea of soul-smashing:
(Pierre) People's lives are at stake in the sense that they can become possessed when they embrace this ideology. For awhile I've been thinking that there is more at stake, literally the souls of individuals. If you remember in Darkness Over Tibet, when the...

A: Smashing
Two sessions have much more on the subject Session 13, September 2009 (very rich) and Session 28 November 2009

Many have already commented on the concept of soul-smashing, and I would not add much except bring the comments together. The posts vary in length and form together, a review of the subject since the thread began: 1500+ pages back.
March 20, 2020 @Adobe Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 20, 2020 @Tuatha de Danaan Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 21, 2020 @luc Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 21, 2020 Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story? Excerpts on education etc. one with: "quash awareness"
March 27, 2020 @Bluegazer Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 29, 2020 @Joan Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 29, 2020 @Cosmos Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 29, 2020 @Alejo Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
March 29, 2020 @etezete Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
April 1, 2020 @Laurentien2 Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
April 22, 2020 @Bluegazer Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
It is mentioned again later in a broader context: Dec 28, 2020 Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story? and Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story? connected to April 13, 2021 Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Jul 23, 2020 @Matthew Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Aug 7, 2020 @Adobe Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Oct 17, 2020 @Luks Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Aug 8, 2021 @Bluegazer Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Sept 17, 2021 @iamthatis Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Oct 4, 2021 @Truth&Acceptance Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
Oct 8, 2021 @JEEP Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story? mentions smashing in terms of comets, but one could think that those that work too hard to smash others risk themselves.

A post from another thread that included excerpts about soul-smashing is this from Aug 1, 2021 @zak The Consortium, the Quorum, the alien interface, depicted in 'romantic' fiction - what the heck?! with other comments about amalgamation, that possibly fit with this thread too.
 
That is interesting. Perhaps we really do live in a different universe than some of the believers, and we therefore feel more distance and are not triggered so much anymore even by things that have nothing to do with Covid? It is kind of sad, too, as if a bond that was there before (both positive and negative) simply dissolves?
That’s actually interesting. And it basically describes exactly what I am currently perceiving. Perhaps it is actually there that the knowledge contributes to being able to adopt an external mode of observation. I can watch other people's programs without judging them. I can feel compassion without pity. It is incredible to see everything at the same time. And yes, our realities are drifting apart. But it is still possible for me to be close to my family and friends who are programmed. Through my knowledge and understanding. But I realize that they can no longer be close to me. It's like I'm disappearing from their consciousness. There are fewer and fewer points of contact in everyday life.
 
Yeah one issue with this thread Is that it has become a catch-all like the proverbial office water cooler where all manner of gossip is discussed and exchanged. So a little more discernment about what thread to post in and external consideration might indeed be a thing.

That said, the notion of just shutting it down with some level of censorship is...

Maybe a bit too ironic.
Yes, shutting down and censoring this thread is as ironic as it gets with the subject of Covid. Twitter, FB and GOOGLE are doing a masterful job of it.
If anything, I would archive this thread because perhaps in a year or two all the information that was posted here will vanish. This information erasure is already happening on the net while GOOGLE does its fine job of tuning the Search Engine to not find what you want.
 
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