As expected, once back to work, I couldn't keep up with this thread anymore. So yeah, Saturday, here we go. I just caught up and most of Saturday is gone. Oh well...
I shared that post that started with
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
with a friend from Poland. He responded with this:
Similar chaos here.
Don't go out, but you need a walk to maintain mental and physical health so go for a walk, but don't go to forests or parks, just walk around your house, but there you might encounter people so better just stay at home.
Buy groceries online and have them delivered to your home. Except that all four stores that I checked have earliest delivery in 5-7 weeks.
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From today we have to wear mouth and nose covers outside.
The first version of the regulation required everyone to wear them when they are outside the home where they live. As you can see, that was way too broad.
Now they amended it so that you don't have to wear a mask if you are driving in your car alone. Probably masks also won't be required when you're alone in a forest.
And now they finally noticed that children up to 3 years should not wear masks because it's too dangerous.
Also people having trouble breathing don't have to wear face covers.
I think I would qualify for that, but how do I prove it? Do I need a certificate from a doctor? Hard to get to any doctor...
I just can't imagine these restrictions in place for several months.
Any cover is acceptable, even a shawl or folded shirt. Way to go to get respiratory problems and infections.
Its really hard to tell how much of this is by design and how much just by government officials understanding little about viruses and having no idea what they're doing.
While Poland seems to be stepping up the policing, here it seems people are losing interest in this game. Most people do wear masks most of the time, but I've seen a lot of exceptions. Finally saw a few cyclists other than me without masks. Most wear them even though they don't have to when on bikes. I often see construction workers in a mix of some with masks and some without, with no distancing between them. Distancing is actually practically nonexistent here, except some older people in supermarkets.
I saw three schoolgirls sitting next to one another on a bench. Only the middle one had her mask on. The irony is that when people are walking alone, they have masks, but once they sit down on a bench with somebody, they take them off. Many people probably don't really care about the efficiency and wear the masks only because it's 'required'. So the situation is pretty absurd, but it sure as hell beats policing one another.
I generally walk without the mask now (keeping the bandana around my neck) and only put it on when entering the supermarket, just in case. Inside, if things seem calm, I let it drop down and just watch the reactions of people. So it's kind of half-assed wearing in the supermarket, and boycotting it outside. Can't say I've noticed any alarming reactions. People seem to be about the same as always. I guess you just can't see how gullible they are most of the other times.
Overall people seem to be more lax about this whole thing. I think they're reaching a point when it just isn't that interesting anymore. People here are pretty lethargic about most things, which is both good and bad. Bad because they'll follow any rules without questioning them. Good because they don't really care about the rules, so they don't bother others as much as in other countries.
Daily new cases have been going down for a few weeks, and the curve of active cases started going down a few days ago too, so hopefully the lifting of the lockdown at the end of this month will happen. We'll see.
A note about all the people posting 'rants' and apologizing for it...
There's no need to apologize, imo. We're in a "you've got to get mad!" (Network) situation, and getting mad is perfectly natural and in fact shows that you're paying attention and understanding what you see. And we can all understand the people ranting because we feel the same way. Maybe some of us are better at 'enjoying the show' than others, but probably all of us get pissed off now and then when we read something really stupid (I know I do). So keep the rants coming, why not? Nothing wrong with ranting to people who understand every word you say. Plus it's a functional stress relief strategy, and probably not just for the one ranting.
Researchers blast Swedish govt for lax Covid-19 strategy, claim country's death toll headed for ‘heights of Italy'
A group of 22 researchers has penned a letter demanding "swift and radical action" by the Swedish government to prevent the further spread of coronavirus in the country and the potential collapse of its healthcare system.
The scientists published an open letter lambasting the government for its herd immunity strategy and claiming the Swedish health authorities had failed the country as few, if any, restrictions have been put in place
1. Sweden's death toll isn't anywhere near heading for Italy. Sweden 1,400, Italy 22,700. Four countries with quarantine are over 10,000. These 'researchers' should probably research how to understand numbers.
2. Talking about preventing further spread is bullshit because
no country has any strategy for doing that.
3. There is no indication that the Swedish healthcare system is nearing its collapse.
4. If herd immunity strategy is bad, I'm really curious what all the other countries are actually trying to achieve?
But whatever.
I have people around me who have come across all of this information, more or less, but they literally refuse to connect the dots, to put two and two together. It's like you if ask someone "what's two and two" and their answer is "two and two". There is no connection happening.
Yep, 2+2 is just 2+2 and all the things happening mean nothing and have no relation to anything else.
Every time I have read or thought about 1984, I though about how this system could ever be put into place. I mean, people would have to notice that something was amiss. Well, now I have my answer. They wouldn't!
It's pretty amazing, right? If you introduce the changes step by step, most people don't remember the previous step by the time a new one is taken. And apparently you can now take leaps and it still works.
I'm saying that giving credence to the idea that there is evil in the world, that there's a concerted effort to make us docile little sheep is just too much for people to handle. They just couldn't keep on living.
Yeah, there are barriers people can't cross, so cognitive biases take care of the situation. Everything is just accidental, and there's no design. Which brings us back to the Darwin thread and the notion that this 'everything is random and a coincidence' is a part of our culture, by design. (No pun intended, but...) If you look at evolution and at our situation, you see the parallels: everything is just random, a coincidence, there's no intelligence behind it, no design. Police states form randomly just like living cells.
Total 11 deaths, nobody under 70, nobody without underlying conditions, 7 of them from the palliative care unit.
I think I'll start asking people a simple question: "Do you know of at least one case of somebody who actually died
from covid-19, without any other diseases present?"
I'm having a really hard time with "just sitting back and watch the show". Ever since this started, I've felt that I need, and I want, and that it's my 'mission' to fight these developments with every fiber I have in me. I'm angry at all of those lying and greedy bastards who are 'cooking the books' and cheating to further their evil agendas.
I think we all experience that. But it's also part of our lessons to learn to deal with this. It's not our mission to change things for others. We can only offer help, show the way, but if people aren't interested, if they're fine where they are, even if it's a fascist police state, it's not our job to change their minds. They have a free will to be as dumb as they want. We have to learn to internalise that balance between offering help or information and not expecting anything from the recipients.
I want my children to have the chance to grow up in a world that at least resembles how it was like before all this started (even if that wasn't perfect either).
You can't decide what world they'll live in, but you can decide how prepared for it they'll be. If you're creative, you can turn educating them into fun and games. And maybe consider that
they incarnated here knowing what they were getting into. So just prepare them for it as best you can.
There's of course not that much that I can do, but I devote a considerable amount of time every day to think deeply and theorize about the situation and the details, follow the developments, find good arguments and facts, and share those by tweeting from several accounts and translating SOTT-articles. We've been publishing on our local SOTT-page like never before, and we're slowly gaining new readers. I know that these things don't have much effect, and I sometimes wonder if it's worth the time, but as I said, I can't just sit and do nothing. Maybe I'm becoming too worked up and I should take it more easy?
You're doing as much as anybody could expect of you. So yeah, take it easy. Doing as much as you can at the cost of your mental health and endless frustration is probably not the best approach anyway. Just do what you want to do, but you, as all of us here, have to learn to distance yourself from the results. If you make one person think, it's worth it. And even if you don't, it's about your 'impeccability as a warrior', not about the results. Those are outside of your control, and the best thing you can do about them is not to worry about them that much.
This game has billions of players, and most of them don't have a clue what they're playing. Your influence is very limited by how the game is set up. If you feel like it keeps you in a negative state of mind, maybe take a break and focus more on your kids than the world. You can probably achieve more on that front, and it will be less frustrating.
That there could be a vaccine that is beneficial with little or no bad side effects is mind blowing at this point.
I know, right? But most people firmly believe they help, even though they know next to nothing about how they're supposed to work or about the statistics of their 'success'.
I could be wrong, Bluegazer, but why would you take that risk going outdoors without a mask when it just became mandatory to wear them?
You can't really know how dangerous the situation is for Bluegazer or anyone else. Things are different not only in every country, but in every city or town.
For example here, even though masks are mandatory, I know I can go out without it, without putting myself in any danger. The people won't do anything. Only if I meet the police, there will be an issue, but they're not patrolling the area or anything. I haven't run into any so far. And fines have been given only to people who
refused to put masks on. So if I take the mask with me, police tells me to put it on, I put it on, and that's probably it (aside from maybe a minor lecture). Generally if you're polite towards the police here, they're pretty decent. Conflicts usually arise only when people talk back to them. I'm sure people on this forum can estimate how much danger they're in and whether it's worth the risk.
And there likely will be many more twists and turns, especially when the "exposure" the C's talked about occurs, the cosmic forces, so many variables that might just change things in ways we can't imagine.
Yeah, I think there will be things that neither us not the PTB have foreseen. Control freaks always pay for the fact that they think they can control
everything and it's just never true. I'm fully expecting some unexpected surprises!
This whole spiel with hats and face masks, banning the burkas but making surgical masks mandatory reminds me of this piece from the incomparable George Carlin.
Carlin was awesome at unmasking the stupidity of all kinds of things in our society. For those who want to watch something relevant to our current situation and have a laugh at the same time, if you haven't seen videos of George Carlin and Bill Hicks, go find some. Carlin had good stuff about politics and general human stupidity, and Hicks had some pretty amazing spiritual insights on top of that.
One thing I have seen these days on social networks is the activity of people who seek to be seen as a hero for their 'altruistic' activity in the 'fight against the virus' They lead free campaigns to sew masks and protectors for doctors, and they proclaim it with fervor on the networks harvesting a lot of hearts, applause, etc. Instinctively I see that they feed on it.
This is what happens even with good intentions when you don't have the necessary knowledge. Knowledge without good intentions is obviously destructive, as the PTB show us. Good intentions without knowledge can often be even worse, though. So this shows that you need both if you really want to change things for the 'better'.
Google has put a flag on my business and marked it closed on my Google listing without asking my permission!
Google is pure evil on the level of Bill Gates. It's one of the nefarious players in this game that most people are totally clueless about. People should be fighting this one a lot more.
we all have to find a balance between 'fighting the good fight' and not becoming identified with a positive outcome from our efforts. We don't even know what 'positive' is in this regard anyway, and it is not in our purview to decide what is good or bad for everyone on the planet.
Exactly. We have to be aware that whatever we 'want' to happen is just
our idea of what's 'good'. If others want other things, the STO thing to do is definitely not to convince them that what they want is 'bad'. Whether they're uninformed has little to do with it. They have the right to do whatever they want based on their level of knowledge. Again, we can just 'offer' help or information, but people are just as free to accept it as they are to tell us to go to hell, and there isn't really anything 'right' or 'wrong' with either.
I think we could say that watching and enjoying the show is a big part of the STO mindset, since there shouldn't be any sense of what other people 'should' do.
Our help can basically only extend to those who have already on some level decided that they themselves want to go in the same direction as us but don't know how, due to lack of experience.
He asked me why I wasn't wearing any, so I just said "because I'm crazy, but not stupid. However, if you need to feel protected, you have to wear the mask", said in a joking way. I also said: "I have a mask in my pocket in case we're stopped by the Gestapo". After a few kilometers, he removed the mask saying "god this is annoying" :D
This is good. That's the kind of thing I often do. Share my views in a humorous way so that people have the option to just take it as a joke and not get upset over it. Some will take it as a (bad) joke and ignore it, but sometimes... some may take two seconds to think about it.
When people start looking for answers, what exactly do we tell them? Obviously, this will depend on the person, but let's assume it's someone who doesn't have the first clue about the control system and higher dimensional realities.
Where do we start? Certainly, we can't start with the fact that this is being orchestrated by non-human entities. That would just be counterproductive. In my opinion, even talking about vaccines and that sicko Bill Gates and his microchipping agenda is not a good conversation starter either because it's just too controversial.
Man, I don't think any such strategy would be applicable to more than 1-2 people. I think this has to be tailored to every individual and situation, and you have to watch the person for feedback and see how they react, and improvise. You never know which things other people know and which they don't, where their limits are, what will put them off. So I'm afraid any plan like that would have to be seriously revised after like first three sentences. I think it's a lot about how creative you can be and how quickly you can adapt to where the conversation is going, etc.
For me personally, this crisis has really brought things into focus and I feel I have made more strides in the Work in the last couple of weeks than I have in years prior.
Good point. In the end,
this crisis is actually good for us, and we should probably reflect on that every time we feel down.
This situation is teaching us things we couldn't learn otherwise, and isn't that kinda what we want? There's plenty to learn from this, and we still don't have that Gestapo boot on our faces, so I'd say things are pretty good!
BTW, just wanted to say that I'm sorry for being sparse with the like button. I see people liking my posts and then I realise I didn't even like the posts I commented on myself.
I'm just not used to it as I don't use social media.
Yeah, I'm not used to it either. I had the same epiphany in the Darwin thread when I noticed some of my posts were getting a lot of likes and I wasn't giving any. Seemed kinda unfair, so I'm trying to get better. This forum is the only place where I come into contact with this.
My biggest problem with mandatory mask wearing - besides the absurdity of it (like a bandanna is going to do anything other than look like a child pretending to be a robber) - is that by doing so, it would indicate my compliance with a lie.
Like I suggested earlier, use a white mask and write "this is bullshit" on it, or whatever seems like a good message to you. You might even find some like-minded people that way.
Right on queue they are now saying there's no guarantee having had Corona virus and overcome it conveys immunity... The propaganda has begun in the run up to the release of the vaccine.
Everyone must get a vaccine regardless of whether you've had covid 19 or not!
What I don't get is this - if overcoming the virus doesn't always convey immunity, what makes anyone think that a vaccine will? I mean, I would logically expect the disease to have a better chance than any vaccine. Isn't a vaccine in theory an imitation of what the disease does naturally? So how would a vaccine give you an immunity if the disease doesn't?
Besides, given the fact that in every pandemic, I read that 90%+ of the infected had been fully vaccinated, it is clear that any immunity gained from vaccines is a purely fictional concept.
I looked a bit at the video and the impression is that it is part of the China bashing agenda. It sounds similar to how PJW presents and to how Zerohedge (at least for a long time) have presented it. The point it that communist China is evil.
I watched the whole thing a few days ago and then wondered why anyone made me download that. It was pure anti-communist propaganda. All the problems you're currently experiencing are because of Chinese communism. Some of the people interviewed are totally ridiculous. You can see the bias and prejudice smoking out of their ears.
“Bill Gates thinks a coming disease could kill 30 million people within 6 months — and says we should prepare for it as we do for war.”
A better headline would be "Why many people care about what Bill Gates thinks is still a mystery".
I am called quickly enough to go into the store and there a person asks me to put some gel on my hands then I walk forward but she stops me dead in my tracks to tell me that she is going to explain what I have to do. To save time I tell him "yes I'll follow the arrows on the ground" oh! very bad idea we're not here to save time but to make me understand that I shouldn't take the virus lightly and that it's vital that I respect ALL the instructions.
Holy crap, I really hope I don't run into that here. Somebody might get hurt. As I've said, people here are pretty lethargic, and most would probably feel quite embarrassed if it was even suggested to them that they do this.
All of us here, you and I, have underestimated the danger of the virus because it is liquefying the brains of many people.
I think you're right! This stupidemic is pretty serious. Fortunately you have already found the best antidote - this thread.
How many people out there actually know what they are doing in any given moment, especially when they follow guidelines, suggestion and orders from above or other people? Are most people even able to think and engage in any deeper thinking processes at all, that involve just the slightest context and just very minimalistic remembering of things happening just couple of hours/minutes earlier?
Well, I think you know the answer. It doesn't occur to most people that they
should think about what they're told to do. There's an absolutely minimal sense of personal responsibility. (And zero ability to question anything.) "If they tell me, I will do it. Whether it's true is none of my concern. If it ends up being bad, it's not my fault. I was just following..." blah blah...
I think we all need a more humorous approach. (Mainly for our own sake.) Look at the people out there as you look at kids. You see them do a lot of stupid things, but you don't always get mad at them. They are inexperienced. They are learning. And you get it. You give them advice and let them 'use' it in their own way. Often they have to get hurt before they really get something. And it's the same with most 'adults'. They're just children in larger bodies.
WTH?? Wondering amid slowly growing mental anguish & misery I was looking for The Unmasked Faces of La Résistance in the crowd, while swooping down assertively to the 'Eggs Desk' of my favorite Obyvatel. I'm on my way in, when a Little Guy pops out of nowhere and tries to get close accosting me:
