A recent correspondent wrote:
In May, this year, I met Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips in Sydney. If what they said in their book and the two tons of material they possess cannot prove their story, what can? But for Cassiopeians that is not credible. What sort of reason they would [O’Brien and Phillips] have in spreading lies?
As we have already seen, there are a lot of reasons for the spreading of lies, though I doubt that conscious, deliberate lying on the part of the individual involved is the most frequent. But, before we say anything else, let’s go back over what the Cassiopaeans really did say about the Cathy O’Brien case. In order to have the questions and answers in context, I am going to insert the particular quote from Trance Formation of America by Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips. I did not include it in the original transcript (for obvious reasons), but feel that the reader will have a better grasp of what is being said by reading for him/herself.
…Using standard Jesuit hand signals and cryptic language, he triggered/switched me and accessed a previously programmed message. ‘Senator Johnston sent me to give this to you.’ I handed [governor] Clinton a thin, large brown envelope. ‘And I have some fairy dust guaranteed to make you fly high.’ I took the personal stash of cocaine that Johnston was sharing with Clinton from my pocket. Clinton snorted two lines of the coke immediately. He smiled. ‘Tell Ben I’m impressed.’ He showed me to the door. The severe torture and mind-control programming that I was enduring at Tinker Air Force Base had prepared me for this simple ‘mission’ and many others. Although Cox’s out-of control occult serial killings polyfragmented my multiple personalities as intended by [Senator] Byrd, it was Johnston’s alien theme mind conditioning that locked me into absolute robotic helplessness. After all, had I been capable of rationalizing, I would have found that the thought of inter-dimensional travel and aliens was no more bizarre to me that Cox’s murderous actions or having found out pornography king Jerry Ford held the office of President. …
(President) Clinton added to what Houston said, talking in local colloquialisms. ‘Bottom line is, we’ve got control of the (drug) industry, therefore we’ve got control of them (suppliers and buyers). You control the guy underneath ya’ and Uncle (Sam) has ya’ covered. What have ya’ got to lose? No risk. No one’s gonna hang ya’ out to dry. And whatever spills off the truck as it passes through (he laughed and snorted another line of coke) you get to clean up.’ Hall smiled at his friend, which was apparently interpreted as consent. Clinton motioned for his aide to get his ledger. Overstreet began pulling out his paperwork, and Hall neatly cleared the table of the remaining coke lines. Clinton gestured to me and told Houston, ‘Get her out of here.’ Houston didn’t move and laughed. ‘She’s a Presidential Model. She’s kept secrets bigger than yours.’ Hall’s wife led me away and locked me in a back bedroom.
After an indeterminate period of time, I heard her telephone Hillary at the guest villa. She then drove me up the mountain through the dark to meet with Hillary. Although I had previously met Hillary we had very little to say to each other — particularly since I was still dazed and tranced from the tortures I had endured at the CIA Near Death Trauma Center in Lampe. Hillary knew I was a mind-controlled slave, and, like Bill Clinton, just took it in stride as a ‘normal’ part of life in politics.
Hillary was fully clothed and stretched out on the bed sleeping when Hall’s wife and I arrived. ‘Hillary, I brought you something you’ll really enjoy. Kind of an unexpected surprise. Bill ordered her out of the meeting and I took her to my bedroom and made an interesting discovery. She is literally a two-faced (referring to my vaginal mutilation carving) bitch.’
‘Hmm?’ Hillary opened her eyes and sleepily roused herself. ‘Show me.’ Hall’s wife ordered me to take my clothes off while Hillary watched. ‘Is she clean?’ Hillary asked, meaning disease free. ‘Of course, she’s Byrd’s,’ she responded, continuing the conversation as though I were not there. ‘Plus, I heard Houston say something about her being a Presidential Model, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.’
‘It means she’s clean,’ Hillary said matter-of-factly as she stood up. I was not capable of giving thought to such things back then, but I am aware in retrospect that all Presidential Model slaves I knew seemed to have an immunity to social diseases. It was a well-known fact in the circles I was sexually passed around in that government level mind-controlled sex slaves were ‘clean’ to the degree that none of my abusers took precautions such as wearing condoms.
Hall’s wife patted the bed and instructed me to display the mutilation. Hillary exclaimed, ‘God!’ and immediately began performing oral sex on me. Apparently aroused by the carving in my vagina. Hillary stood up and quickly peeled out of her matronly nylon panties and pantyhose. Uninhibited… Hillary had resumed examining my hideous mutilation and performing oral sex on me when Bill Clinton walked in. Hillary lifted her head to ask, ‘How’d it go?’ Clinton appeared totally unaffected by what he walked into, tossed his jacket on a chair and said, ‘It’s official. I’m exhausted. I’m going to bed.’ (O’Brien and Phillips, 1995, pp. 107, 155)
That was certainly edifying, won’t you agree? And now you may understand why I didn’t want to either read it into the record, much less have to retype it from the tape! So, let’s look at what the Cassiopaeans did say about it:
September 19, 1998
Q: (L) I have several things from the little mail list that I would like to get to first because I think they may go fairly quick. The first is this book called Trance Formation of America; The True-Life Story of a CIA Slave by Cathy O’Brien with Mark Phillips. There is a rather lengthy quote from this book here that we have all read. I certainly am not going to read it out loud because I don’t want to have to type such a thing myself, so I won’t read it, but I am sure you are aware of what it says. What I would like to know is: what is the motivation behind the authors of this book?
Q: (L) Disruption of what?
A: Anyone disruptable.
Q: (L) It specifically seems to be aimed at the Clintons or the power structure. Are any of these descriptions of the behaviors of Hillary and Bill Clinton as explicated in this extract anywhere near close to reality?
A: Anywhere near? Well maybe, but not as described.
Q: (L) Is there such a thing as this girl describes? These CIA slaves that are sexually mutilated and programmed with this mind control programming that she has described?
A: Any such experiment would be handled by the cellular structure of pseudo-governmental satellite, not normally by CIA.
Q: (L) So, what you seem to be implying is that what is described here is taking place?
A: To an extent, but the story as related is fictional.
So we see that the Cassiopaeans are not precisely saying that these folks are spreading lies. In fact, in a funny sort of way, they confirmed what O’Brien and Phillips are saying, but added that the story itself is fictional. On another occasion, the Cassiopaeans said, “As you know … fiction is often the guise for the deliverance of the deepest of truths.”
So, when the Cassiopaeans said above that the purpose of the book was disruption, it may very well be that the efforts of these people, using whatever guise for the message they felt necessary to protect the genuine source of the information, is to disrupt such programs and to inform the public. And, if even half of it is accurate in any terms at all, honey, we are in deep trouble!
We must also consider the idea that the defamatory claims made about the Clinton family, may very well be the work of COINTELPRO. Obviously, if there is a network set up to satisfy presidential lusts, Billy Boy wouldn’t have gotten caught with Monica’s cigar. In retrospect, we might even think that the backing for Cathy and Mark was the same backing that put George W. Bush in the White House.
From the proliferation of books and websites about mind programming, it is beginning to sound like everybody has been kidnapped and messed with. Is it really that bad?
May 25, 1996
Q: (S) I don’t want to sound paranoid, but all the reports about mind programming… is it as widespread as we have been lead to believe? That it could be the guy next door, and a certain color, or word or sound could set them off? What is the percentage of programmed people?
A: 2 out of every 100.
Q: (L) How many are programmed by human means?
A: 12 per cent of the 2 per cent.
Q: (L) So, out of every 10,000 people, there are 200 that are programmed, and 24 of these are programmed by humans which leaves 176 programmed by aliens, as in fourth density STS?
A: Understand that 4th density is physical, indeed. You are drifting further and further toward an ethereal only perception/theoretical position.
Q: (L) You are saying that the humans working on these kinds of things… and…
A: No, Laura, we are saying that there is really a very strong “nuts and bolts” reality to this phenomenon, and don’t ignore it!
Now, those figures are frightening! Two percent of the population of the United States, the last time I read a population figure of 275 million, would be 5.5 million individuals. That means that something like 660,000 of them are programmed by human agencies. That number is pretty hard to believe. What are the logistics of mind programming that many people? If there is any possibility that this number is anything close to accurate, we have to conceive of a very large and extraordinary bureaucratic machine that handles the coordination and tracking of such a project. And trying to think of that — well, I suppose it is not so difficult when you are dealing with mind-progammed people as it might be if it were a simple government agency where people spend as much time complaining and demanding service as anything else. Maybe mind-programmed people don’t do that? Maybe they are easier to deal with than the people in the local welfare waiting rooms?
But still, we are left with two people out of every hundred. That means that in any large gathering, there is likely to be one or more programmed individuals present, and that is not a pleasant thought. But I think that for the most part we are talking about people in the public eye or who have a public presence in politics or the arts and education and so forth. Yes, there are probably the “Manchurian Candidate” types who are programmed for special needs, such as causing riots, mass killings, assassinations, or special missions, and maybe a sex slave or two just for variety. But for everybody to get paranoid about their neighbors and family members is going to an inadvisable extreme.
It also points out the fact that out of that 100 people, if there are two who have been messed with and the programs have glitches, and they begin to be deprogrammed, there is not likely to be much support or understanding from the majority who have no experience with such a reality and will certainly find it difficult to believe, much less relate to. Yet, they too are programmed — only in a different sense.
For the most part, the other 98 people are programmed as we have discussed in the previous section — via religion and related popular belief systems, including scientific materialism. Most of these never merit further programming efforts because the easy, environmental methods and assorted Master Programmers work just fine, thank you very much!
In addition to the more overt programming efforts, we have another item to consider here: past life programming. We have to remember that, with the time travel capabilities, with the presence in our reality of the control system, for some considerable time there have been programming influences throughout many incarnations. This becomes a very real program that one must overcome. The following exchange highlights this aspect:
December 21, 1996
Q: (AM) So many things have happened to me, that I am wondering if something happened to my brain in this life or another that would explain my thinking. Did anything happen in another life that has caused me problems in this life?
A: The answer is yes, as with all others.
Q: (L) What happened to cause these mental problems?
A: Not mental, emotional.
Q: (L) Can you tell us a little bit about it?
A: Death of a twin in the last lifetime. Farming accident in 1880s. Fell off of the ox-driven combine, driven by father. Was decapitated.
Q: (L) And what were their names?
A: Lucas and Lawrence. Lucas was the one that died.
Q: (L) Where was Lawrence, at the time?
A: In the house.
Q: (L) And what kind of emotion has carried over into this lifetime?
A: Her longing is insatiable as she is always “looking for love” due to her loss.
Q: (L) How old was Lucas when this happened?
A: 8 years old.
Q: (L) How many years after this accident did Lawrence live?
A: 22 years.
Q: (L) Have any of the persons of that lifetime returned to interact with her in this life?
Q: (L) Not even the twin?
Q: (AM) Emotions are not mental, there is a difference? So, my problems now are emotional and not mental?
A: Your problems are due to maladjustment.
Q: (L) From life to life or just this life?
A: They are the same.
Q: (L) Was there any sense of blame or resentment directed toward her by the parents of that time?
Q: (L) Was there any mental or emotional abuse that took place in that lifetime?
A: Maybe some, but it is not significant.
Q: (L) What steps can she take to resolve this maladjustment?
A: Awareness of the root of the problem.
Q: (AM) So, all the problems that I had as a child were the result of this?
A: Some seek an environment of “punishment” in an attempt to resolve leftover issues.
Q: (L) Did she have feelings of guilt that her twin had died and she was still alive?
A: Yes, but this was not imposed by others.
Q: (L) Okay, she felt guilt, and sought an environment that would punish her?
A: Close enough for hand grenades.
Q: (AM) Let me ask this: all of the experiences that I had as a child were caused by this emotion where I was trying to punish myself. I have spent my lifetime trying to punish myself. Is that right?
A: Close. But remember, the point is, you sought out an environment that you perceived to be restrictive and unforgiving. Especially with your father.
January 10, 1997
Q: (AM) Since you told me about the past life experience, and that all of my problems have been emotional, have all the mistakes that I have made been because that is what I intended to do in this life? Were all the mistakes I have made in this life part of a plan?
A: No. Mistakes are made by choice, plan is merely “blueprint”.
Q: (L) So, she had a blueprint, and the mistakes were made by choice because she made the wrong choices?
Q: (L) Well, I think that what she is trying to deal with here is her guilt. She wants to know why she has lived her whole life making these mistakes and messing everything up every time she made a choice to do something?
A: Must be specific as to mistakes, always!
Q: (AM) Well, I am not prepared to do that.
A: Not prepared due to “shyness”. Remember, we told you about the unfulfilled quest for love, acceptance, approval, and to be “needed”. The reason for the failure of the quest is being hasty, impatient, and stubborn.
Q: (L) Can I help her to get to the issue here?
A: She must do this on her own.
Q: (AM) Why have I been so hasty, impatient and stubborn?
A: Because of past life programming. You see this is the challenge for all those in third density existences. Some learn in any given lifetime, and some do not!
Q: (AM) But, I had never heard of it!
A: Not necessary. Just follow “the signs”.
Q: (AM) Is it that I am so stubborn that I cannot see?
A: Have been; less so now.
Q: (AM) Well, I’ve never seen any signs.
A: That is part of the lesson, but it really should be obvious.
Q: (AM) Well, I can’t think how to ask any more questions…
So we see that in this case an individual had a past life experience that was so traumatic it colored her emotions into this life. At every point where she made a choice, she could have used her mind to think, but was so deeply stubborn and impatient that she consistently made decisions based on these deeply programmed emotions, which led further and further into disaster after disaster. She was so afraid of loving, living in a state of emotional paralysis, that this had caused her to rationalize that she was thinking logically when she avoided emotional involvement. And she stubbornly resisted anything that suggested that the real problem was fear. Because of course she was denying emotions, right? Therefore, she didn’t feel fear, right? So, she would be impatient and jump into situations to prove she was not fearful, all the while the underlying dynamic was fear of love.
Then, when she started to feel in any relationship, her mind would freeze her emotional response, and she would begin to create negative dramas wherein her demands and behaviors were so completely unloving as to drive away a saint. And, when normal human beings finally rejected her, she was able to proclaim triumphantly, “See! I predicted it was not love, and now I am proven right!” And of course in each of these dramas she created, she chose to believe that everything was done to her by others because she had let her emotional guard down, and this just further justified her logical approach to life, eliminating love from the picture altogether. So, at a deep level she believed she deserved to be punished and so clung stubbornly to this concept. It was and is a tragic situation because this individual is now advanced in years and struggling to come to terms with a lifetime of hurt and harm to both herself and others due to this past life programming.
Another interesting result of some of the mind programming efforts is a recent proliferation of books by “Pro-Reptoid Experiencers” trying to implement damage control in response to the many revelations about the Reptilian control system, possibly even including our own material. The following is an exchange where we were discussing just such a volume, which curiously admits to the programming and genetic engineering of human beings, but giving the ostensible purposes as being highly benevolent. This author, who claims to be a “new Reptoid hybrid”, also remarks that Bill Clinton is also a Reptoid hybrid. The title of the book is The Ultimate Alien Agenda. You might enjoy reading my review of it at Amazon.com.
January 2, 1999
Q: (L) Okay, now, onto this alien book. It seems to be almost a point-by-point refutation of some of the things you have told us. At the same time, it is very revealing. This guy says that “alien scientists have developed an array of human programs or life orientations which they use to create human hybrids. I was programmed to serve others, and most of my life has been devoted to service as a public official, educator, and psychic counselor. My life exemplifies one category of alien programming.” Is it a fact that the Reptoid aliens [4D STS] are making a bunch of hybrids to serve others?
Q: (L) Another thing he talks about is the underground laboratory, and he has a terrible time trying to speak about it because of the pains in his head. He finally gets to the point where he admits that part of the “human engineering project”, part of what they are doing with the embryos they create by harvesting human eggs and sperm, is that they use them for nourishment. Naturally, he is aghast at this admission from his own memory. And somehow he just glosses over it. Is this true? That some human embryos are being created to provide nourishment for aliens?
A: In a sense.
Q: (L) He never comes back to this specifically, except to vaguely state that the vats and body parts and all that which are reported by many eyewitnesses, are merely symbolic imagery to teach us how unimportant the body is… Can you comment?
A: Not necessary. We have already stated that the vats do exist and what they are for. [See High Strangeness.]
Q: (L) He further says that the Reptoid aliens [4D STS] have been increasing human intelligence for these many thousands of years with the intention of letting go and leaving us on our own. The Reptoids are going to pull out soon, because they just came to “help us evolve,” and now we are at the stage we can take charge of things ourselves… Have the Reptoids been increasing human intelligence? Is this part of their agenda?
A: Perhaps, but the agenda is not as stated.
Q: (L) Okay, he says, “I wonder if the current relationship between humans and aliens may be analogous to the abolition of slavery in America. Freedom arises when people accept others rather than being afraid of them or trying to control them. We may be learning to accept a technologically advanced interdimensional race, and the aliens may be trying to transform us into compatible neighbors. Perhaps humans and aliens will become more alike as time passes and our two dimensions will become increasingly integrated. They are now allowing us to discover this information. I believe the aliens are getting ready to reveal who they are, but first they are helping us to discover who we are. Aliens may be programming human hybrids like myself to learn through self-discovery and self-acceptance, and we are likely to learn more about them as we discover ourselves. Important information about them may be archived in our minds or implanted in our bodies. To retrieve the information, we must learn to express the interdimensional aspects of our being. In other words, we must integrate our human and interdimensional selves and learn to function in both worlds. I believe this is how we will eventually establish two-way communication with our alien creators, and learn to coexist with them.” Blah blah blah. Then he says that he was created from the genetic material, and soul essences of three separate individuals. Comments please.
A: No need.
Q: (L) Well, yeah. All of these things have already been covered, which is why it was so interesting to see such different explanations for the same observations. He says that his “image is being used to tell people: wake up human hybrids! It’s time to accept your interdimensional identity. It’s time to discover your Reptilian heritage and fulfill your mission!” Yuck! Then he talks about the sexual aspect of abduction. He wondered why it occurs so frequently. He thinks there is a link between the frequency of human sexuality and Reptilian intelligence… He thinks that “this could explain why people so often perceive aliens and their messengers in sexual roles. So many abductees report having sexual experiences, in fact sexuality is a common theme of all alien abduction experiences. Could sexual stimulation be part of the methodology of alien intelligence?” Could it?
A: And the “Playboy Channel” originates on Zeta Reticuli!
In another session the following exchange took place:
January 10, 1995
Q: (L) The whole point of this article [by Lyssa Royal] is to say that ETs who abduct people are here to help us evolve and that it is only us, if we have dark and dirty unconscious minds, who perceive them as negative.
A: Wrong, you do not need “help” evolving, nor does anything else.
I guess this guy is the equivalent of a Madison Avenue adman for the control system. I do find curious the reference he makes to slavery. He said, “I wonder if the current relationship between humans and aliens may be analogous to the abolition of slavery in America.” How does that even relate? Unless of course he is freely admitting that we are slaves and the aliens are slave masters. On the other hand, does he mean to imply that the aliens are slaves and we are the slave masters who are afraid of and trying to control the aliens? Most peculiar. His mixed metaphors are just further evidence of the confusion factor of these kinds of communications where the programmed individuals seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouths at once.
Speaking of those lively Lizzies and their libidinous appetites, we have still another factor of our reality that is possibly a side effect of some singularly distasteful programming (no pun intended!).
As I wrote in my book Amazing Grace, it was as a result of looking into a local murder case that I became so ill that I was bedridden. During this time, I began to read about the alien reality when Frank, a friend at the time who participated in most of the early sessions, brought over a bag full of books on the subject. On the first day I was out of the house after this opening of the doors of perception, or, at the very least, asking the question, I encountered “Pat”, who was my first abduction case. And, of course, as I have said, I was pretty determined to demonstrate that it was not an alien abduction — and failed. This is chronicled in the St. Petersburg Times article pretty well, so I won’t repeat it here.1
Nevertheless, there was this strange connection between my looking into the case of the murdered girl and the woman who was lying on my sofa the night the Flying Black Boomerangs were seen all over the three county area.
Later, as I have written in Soul Hackers, I ran into the same woman running a print shop when I was looking for a printer for the nascent Aurora Journal. Now, what I haven’t talked about are some of the details behind that event.
At a time prior to this when I was working with Candy, another abductee who had what may have been physical evidence of her experiences,2 I had been down at the local Private Investigator’s office one day talking about Candy’s situation and we started talking about the above mentioned murder investigation, which had pretty much been the beginning of the relationship between the PI and myself. I asked him if anything new had come up, and he said, “No, they were just waiting to see.” It was the opinion of several of the law enforcement officials that the guy would “go off” and “do another”.
I thought about it and said I was pretty sure it was a one-time thing. Unless something really unusual came up, this guy would never kill again. But the PI felt that he would. As I left that day, his parting words were, “All we can do is wait until the pressure builds up and he has to kill again!” His words stuck in my head.
So, time went by and there I was in the print shop talking to this woman who had been my first abductee two and a half years earlier. The very next day after this very strange renewal of our acquaintance, another girl went missing from the same general area as the first girl who had been murdered. I picked up the newspaper and saw the photo of the second girl and nearly dropped my teeth. She was almost the spitting image of the first girl. My blood ran cold. I remembered what I had said about the guy never committing a murder again unless something really unusual came up. What if that unusual thing was another girl who looked exactly like the first?
At the same time this happened, I was reading a book about UFOs and cattle mutilations that talked about some cases where lights in the sky had been linked with the cattle mutilations on the ground. I noted that this particular series of mutilations had occurred in the very same area of the country that Ted Bundy lived in at the very time many researchers conjectured that something happened to him to turn him from an ordinary mild pervert to a cold-blooded killer. And, of course the reason these two ideas connected was because I had just finished reading several books about Bundy which endeavored to explain what is now called the psychopathic personality. I had read these books because of the idea that serial killers such as Bundy might be attached or possessed by one or more discarnate entities, and I was looking for clues that this was a possible factor in this particular psychological disorder.3
In the book about Bundy, a pretty long section had been devoted to trying to figure out exactly what it was that happened at a certain point in his life when he just “switched”, as the author put it. He had the whole world in front of him; he was a smart guy with charm and looks and wit. He was on a track to success and then, suddenly, he just snapped. And no one knew why because Bundy himself never could adequately explain it.
So the date of Bundy’s switch was in my head when I read about these lights in the sky associated with cattle mutilations in the same area where he had disposed of many of the bodies of his victims. I had already wondered about the possibility that cannibalistic murders, such as those of Jeffrey Dahmer, might not be influenced by aliens, even if only by example and exposure to their own appetites. Now, a whole different connection suggested itself to me. I began to think about the connection of the murder investigation that occurred just prior to the UFO flap in my own area, and could it be possible that the individual who had committed that murder had been abducted and programmed to respond to a certain type of individual? Could that be the link between the two girls? Not only that, but the fact that looking into this case resulted in a situation wherein I was brought face to face with the alien reality had a curious effect on me. From looking into the murder I was then looking into a deeper level of the control system. Was there a connection?
I knew I was stretching it, but I brought it up at the next session.
January 9, 1996
Q: (L) It has become increasingly obvious to me that there is some sort of connection where MG [an unsolved murder of a local 13-year-old girl] was concerned, some synchronous connections between that murder and the appearance of the Black Boomerang UFOs in this area. And I also noticed a connection between the life pattern, or change in life pattern, of Ted Bundy and certain UFO sightings, and cattle mutilations that were in his area of the country. At that time, I first met Pat and experienced my own awakening to the other reality. Now, we have another girl who has come up missing at the same time Pat and I reconnected and was actually discussing the MG case! It is just too bizarre! This new case has a lot of things that seem to be common to that case. I see that there is an issue here that I would like to explore. Did my involvement with the MG case have anything to do with opening the door of my mind to other phenomena, particularly UFOs and aliens?
Q: (L) You can’t give me a clear answer on that?
Q: (L) Okay. I had dreams about it. The work that I did on the case, the dreams I had about it, as well as certain impressions I received, convinced me that a particular individual was the killer. Was that an opening of my instinctual awareness in some way?
Q: (L) Was there some soul connection between MG and myself?
Q: (L) Was there some connection between MG’s murder and alien activity?
A: There is always this connection in one way or another, at one plane convergence or another.
Q: (L) So, the murder of MG was a mini-plane convergence. Can this mini-plane convergence be described as a point where one person’s individual plane of reality converges with another person’s plane of reality, and one or the other gets annihilated?
A: 4th, 5th and 3rd density is involved.
Q: (L) So it is sort of a plane convergence of those three densities. Is this true with all murders?
A: Discover and yes.
Q: (L) Was my interaction into that reality a sort of entering into a point of plane convergence?
A: Flirting with the edges.
Q: (L) So, when a person is working on a murder investigation, or thinking about it, or applying thoughts, talents, instincts or whatever to the solving of this kind of puzzle, they are interacting with a plane convergence?
A: This represents one manifestation of the always-present desire to return “home” to 5th density.
Q: (L) Okay. Well. Now, I want to get to the 64,000 dollar question. In the MG case, was my conclusion correct?
A: “Correctness” takes many forms and provides a window to many conventions. We recall advising a cautious approach, in order to insure that your lessons are learned not only accurately, but painlessly as well.
It was true, and I understood it clearly, that my awareness of the killer did place me in some danger. But it seemed that the Cassiopaeans were implying greater danger than just that.
Q: (L) Could you suggest, just to get me on track here, a form of question that would be a cautious question? Then I can frame subsequent questions on that model?
A: The issue here is not how to “frame” a question in such a way as to lure us into answering in the way you desire, but for you to learn most effectively. Do not have prejudice that there is only one thing to be learned from each response. “You never know what there is to be learned when you inquire with innocence and freedom from supposition.”
At this point, since Frank and I were working alone, I played the tape back to find out what the Cassiopaeans had said in that long delivery. The tape was full of static and sound anomalies that had never occurred to us before.
Q: (L) I just played the tape back and it is all muddy. Could you tell us why we are having this problem with the tape?
A: Telekinetic wave transfer.
Q: (L) What is this telekinetic wave transferring?
A: Evolving energy.
Q: (L) Given off by us?
A: Both to and from.
Q: (L) From us to you?
A: You and others, not us.
Q: (L) Who are these others?
A: 4th density eavesdroppers, Pat’s involvement should “heat things up”. Expect anomalies.
That one went right past me!
Q: (L) Okay. Back to the issue. Was there something about Ted Bundy, and the fact that his life seemed to disintegrate at the same time a lot of UFOs were sighted, related to this kind of activity?
Q: (L) Was Ted Bundy abducted?
Q: (L) Was Ted Bundy programmed to do what he did?
Q: (L) What was the purpose behind that programming?
A: We must withhold answer for the present.
Q: (L) Okay. Bundy described his murdering urges as a “pressure building inside” him that he couldn’t overcome, and it seemed to cause him to stop being human, as we think of it. That seems to me to be an example of a program being able to overcome a person’s social behavior, or controls over antisocial tendencies. Is this also what happened to the person who killed MG?
Q: (L) Is there a connection between the newly missing girl and MG?
A: You are doing well in your probing of the knowledge within on this issue, we suggest continuance, and after all, learning is fun!
Q: (L) So, it seems to me that there was a connection between the physical looks of the new missing girl and MG. Could it be that the individual who killed one or both of them was programmed to respond to this particular type [of] facial characteristic? Could that be part of the programming?
A: End subject.
Q: (L) What do you mean?
A: We have helped you all that is necessary for now on this matter. It is beneficial for you to continue on your own for growth.
Q: (L) Can I ask just one or two more little questions in a different direction? I mean, this is like walking away and leaving me in the dark!
A: No it is not! Why don’t you trust your incredible abilities? If we answer for you now, you will be helpless when it becomes necessary for you to perform this function on a regular basis, as it will be!!!!
Q: (L) Well, frankly, I don’t want to be involved in any more murder investigations. It is too upsetting. Am I supposed to do this sort of thing regularly?
A: Not same arena.
Q: (L) Well, then how do you mean, “perform this function”?
A: No, seeing the unseen!
So, it seems now, in retrospect, that I was getting very close to some matters that are essential to know, but must be learned on one’s own. The Cassiopaeans almost seemed desperate to prevent me from following this track too directly, or in an improper way, and their particular remark about “learning lessons painlessly” was certainly a hint that this was a sensitive subject.
When we look at the questions and answers above, we discover some very interesting things. The first one is of course the idea of a mini-plane convergence. I am reminded of the fact that the Cassiopaeans have referred to the earth as a “convergence point” of the Wave. That’s one thing to think about. But the fact that a murder or murders are evidence of a convergence of fifth, fourth, and third densities opened up a whole new area of speculation.
Another thing is the idea that an interest in such matters is not necessarily prurient, but, “This represents one manifestation of the always present desire to return ‘home’ to fifth density.”
But the clue about the face being a sort of trigger apparently really was close to home, and deserves some consideration. Can it be that no murder is really a random event? Can it be that murderers are programmed, even if at fifth density and prior to incarnation, with some sort of seed to murder that individual who has a certain facial likeness? And, if that is the case, how else can facial likeness be used to trigger programs?
Are some people programmed to choose their mates based on this type of trigger? Whether for good or bad, using those terms loosely, what can this suggest? What if the “right” person is kept away, and the “wrong” person with the “right” facial characteristics is then brought in to trigger the love program to run, thereby causing a serious setback in incarnate plans and missions? Is that another means the Control System uses to interfere with our purposes? And if so, it is indeed important to be able to “see the unseen”. To see behind the facade, as it were… the face.
But, there was still another interesting series of remarks in the above session:
January 9, 1996
Q: (L) I just played the tape back and it is all muddy. Could you tell us why we are having this problem with the tape?
A: Telekinetic wave transfer.
Q: (L) What is this telekinetic wave transferring?
A: Evolving energy.
Q: (L) Given off by us?
A: Both to and from.
Q: (L) From us to you?
A: You and others, not us.
Q: (L) Who are these others?
A: 4th density eavesdroppers, Pat’s involvement should “heat things up”. Expect anomalies.
I had spent the day in the company of Pat, talking about this murder and the new missing person case, as well as negotiating for the printing of the new magazine, but I really had no idea how interesting this was going to become.
When I had first met Pat, at the time of the first session described by Tom French in the St. Petersburg Times article, she had introduced herself as a real estate agent caring for a sick husband who was retired from government service. As we became reacquainted after the passage of over two years, I learned a lot more about her background. Pat’s husband was in fact a physicist who had been employed by the government for many years and had even worked on the Mars Observer project in the field of pattern recognition.
Humans have the ability to recognize letters. Whatever fonts are used, no matter what size, color, style, or whatever, we are able to say, “this is A”, or “this is B”. If we are asked how we know this is “A”, it is very difficult to give an answer. We would say that “A” consists of three straight lines. But, if they are not straight, but wavy, we still have no problem discerning that it is “A”. If they are not lines, but a series of dots, our mind will convert it into an “A” and tell us that it is an “A” made of dots. Even if the “A” is upside down, we still know that it is an “A”.
Now, the idea of pattern recognition is to try to teach a computer to do the same. A computer that is taught pattern recognition for the purposes of going to Mars would be one that should be able to observe a rock formation and to be able to tell if it is natural or artificial. It should also be able to tell if a series of signals of any kind is random or intelligently contrived.
Clearly, the purpose also includes the ability to note that stars are stars; asteroids are asteroids, determining their shape or illumination, and other environmental conditions.
But, the most significant idea is this: to be able to note and determine the presence of an object near or far, for the simple purpose of avoidance in terms of survival, does not require pattern recognition. It only requires sensory input. The idea that pattern recognition is a project for computers launched into space may suggest that something else is being looked for, i.e., artificially constructed objects.
So, Pat’s husband worked for the space program in the field of pattern recognition. That was a very interesting revelation when you consider the UFOs that suddenly appeared all over the area the night I had her under hypnosis on my living room sofa. But it became more interesting when I discovered that Pat, herself, had held a security clearance and had worked in some sort of government installation out West.
Well, that certainly explained why something or somebody was very interested in keeping her quiet.
Pat was very interested in our communications with the Cassiopaeans and asked to attend a session. After what they had said about her interaction heating things up a bit, I didn’t see any reason why she couldn’t. It certainly did not sound like a negative thing that was being suggested, so I agreed.
January 7, 1996
Q: (L) We have Pat with us tonight…
A: Hello Pat.
Q: (L) Now, with all of us here, we would like to ask why the black, flying boomerangs showed up on the night Pat first came for hypnosis?
A: Examine issue carefully.
Q: (L) The first thing we thought about it was that this was a, if not necessarily rare, at least somewhat rarely observed type of craft, and the event itself was rare… Is this correct?
A: It is rare.
Q: (L) If it is rare for such a “UFO flap” to occur in response to a hypnosis session, which person were the UFO occupants particularly interested in?
A: It was not a person, but information that is hidden in the subconscious memory of Pat.
Q: (L) Were they wanting to get this information?
A: No. To monitor what would be revealed.
Q: (L) Does this mean that Pat has information programmed into her before birth that she needs to access as you have suggested about others?
A: No. Abductions.
Q: (L) They wanted to see if anything would be revealed about their abductions of her?
Q: (L) Okay, since she is here, can we ask who abducted her?
Q: (L) How many times has she been abducted?
A: 4. Snow scene was only 3rd density abduction. Abduction, which occurred there was strictly physical.
Q: (L) Okay, the abduction that occurred in the snow was a physical abduction. Perhaps the others were not? Were they physical also?
A: The others were 4th density. 3rd density abduction only occurs rarely, and is of great import.
Q: (P) Was my son abducted also?
Q: (L) Why did they want Pat so bad that they would take her physically?
A: Do you have any ideas?
Q: (L) Yes, I have ideas. Maybe Pat has ideas and knowledge that she could access to use against these beings?
A: But real reason is more fundamental: Exposure. Government proximities!
Q: (L) What we were talking about earlier; about people who have a family member working for the government, and that such people tend to be abducted more often. But, just because Pat was married to a scientist who worked at JPL doesn’t mean she knew anything herself. I don’t get it.
A: Not what she knew. Because of proximity to Consortium [secret government] activity. Pat was implanted for possible future activation.
Q: (P) Was this related to what was going on under the mountain? (L) What mountain? What’s under the mountain? (P) Just ask.
A: Not locator, personnel are factored.
Q: (L) It was not so much where she was as who she was in contact with?
Q: (L) Was it her husband?
Q: (L) Maybe that is why there is a higher rate of abduction among family members of government employees, so that they can be activated or controlled? (P) But my husband wasn’t really working on anything secret that I know of. Yes, he had a security clearance but…
A: He had access to sensitive facilities.
Q: (P) I had a security clearance, too. (L) So, Pat had an implant put in. An actual, physical implant. Where is it?
A: Behind sinus cavity.
Q: (L) What is this implant designed to do?
A: Activate behavioral control reflex and thought pattern generation and alteration.
Q: (P) Is that why I can’t remember anything?
Q: (P) I do have this memory problem in a big way. (L) So, can I say that this UFO appeared over my house on the night Pat was under hypnosis, to reinforce the implant so that she would…
A: To monitor.
Q: (L) If Pat had revealed the details of her abduction, would there have been any repercussions?
A: Not in this case.
Q: (L) Are there cases when persons reveal details of their abductions, that there are repercussions?
Q: (L) So, if Pat had gone to anyone at all for hypnosis, these craft would have appeared?
Q: (L) You have already told us that this is extremely rare. (P) Does this have anything to do with Camp David?
A: Not the issue, its personnel!
Q: (L) Was it that she knew someone or interacted with someone in particular?
A: Many others!
Q: (P) Do the planes have anything to do with it?
A: It is up to Pat, the extent she wishes to retrieve and divulge, the many unusual experiences that were met, by Pat, with unusual indifference.
Q: (P) The first thing unusual was the geographic location of our house. Directly West of us was the mountain that housed all the communications to be used in the event of nuclear war. We were 13 miles North of Camp David. And, while we lived there, many, many things took place at Camp David that were of global significance. And, we built a barn in 1982. We had bought the house in 1976, and never, in all the years that I lived there, did I ever notice these planes until we built the barn. If I had a stick in my hand, I could have touched them, that’s how low they flew. Right over my barn. The same days every week. And there were always two of them, and they never had a single marking on them. And, they were propeller planes. And I wondered: what in the hell is this country doing flying planes, unmarked, propeller driven, and so low, over this area? This continued until we moved from that house. So, these planes came twice a week from 1982 until 1989. (L) What were these planes?
A: Search to learn.
Q: (P) Well, after the first couple of times, I sort of just said, “Well, there are the planes.” So, what else is new?
Q: (P) I thought the planes had something to do with the mountain. We knew they were flying under radar. Now, that I am thinking about this, nobody else ever talked about these planes. It was like we were the only people that ever saw them, or just the people who were at our house saw them too. My best friend who lived right up the road never saw them. I asked her, “Did you see the planes?” and she said, “What planes?” I mean, she was seven acres away and nothing in between!
A: Unusual experiences mount!
Q: (P) My husband also noticed these things and he would always say — he was less indifferent than I was — he would say, “What in the hell are those planes, and what are they doing?” (L) Why was Pat so indifferent? (P) Well, it didn’t affect my life, except that I was damn mad that it upset my horses. But then, the horses got used to them too, and they became indifferent! [Laughter] Well, they came so often, twice a week — “It’s Wednesday, the planes will be here!”
A: More… continue probing…
Q: (P) The planes came from East to West, and in the West was the mountain…
Q: (P) That is the name of the mountain! (L) What is it? (P) The tunnel where all these facilities were… under Catoctin Mountain. Camp David is near, too.
A: And MUCH ELSE! Mount Weather, Virginia. And why did you live in area… helicopters? What brought you to Maryland?
Q: (P) Fort Detrick. (L) What does Mount Weather mean? (P) The underground tunnel — everybody in town called it The Tunnel — but there was nothing around there to ever give anybody the slightest clue as to what it was. In fact, I lived there for quite a long time before I knew it existed. And, on top of the mountain there was a weather station… My husband was doing electron microscopy — cancer research.
A: REALLY? Helicopters, Pat? We are asking you!
Q: (P) Well, the helicopters in Fredrick went over our house every time the president was at Camp David. But, that was our house in Walkersville not in Emmitsburg. When we first moved to Maryland. Sometimes the helicopters were unmarked…
A: You see, Pat is resistant due to experiences, things don’t “phase” her easily, programming, etc.
Q: (L) So, all of these things happening around her, the planes, the mountain, the helicopters… (P) But the helicopters, I knew it was the President either going to or coming from Camp David.
A: Resistant, not resisting.
Q: (L) Is the term “resistant” a clue?
A: All is a clue here!
Q: (P) Isn’t that just my personality, that if it doesn’t affect me I don’t bother with it?
A: Yes. Shoot somebody in front of Pat, and she says: “Oh well, that’s life” so, to discover spectacular things, one must be patient and probe carefully, no hasty assumptions, please!! There is much to be retrieved, revealed, studied. Let Pat digest it, and report back later.
Q: (L) At the time we had all those sightings around here on the night we did that session with Pat, why did so many other people see them?
A: Window was “blast”.
Q: (P) I would like to know about the apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Conyers, GA, as well as this book Mary’s Message to the World and all the other messages about the End Times that are coming out all over?
A: The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed futures.
January 13, 1996
Q: (P) One last question: How could I be used to monitor personnel when I never noticed anything as being unusual?
A: Very complex, in fact, parallel subject. Pat is a “locator probe” for the purpose of monitoring those in her midst. Telling is not important, reading is. Besides, most of the work performed did not involve conscious awareness.
Q: (L) Is this still going on?
A: Partly, but also, Pat could be used as a probe to monitor all events taking place at JPL and other laboratories by examining aural imprints of her husband and others with whom she was acquainted. All events leave permanent imprints upon aural energy fields. This explains, for example, some sightings and apparitions. “Ghosts” are sometimes merely spontaneous activations of the aural records of the natural surroundings.
Interestingly, every session Pat attended was plagued by extreme static on the tape recorder. This also occurred if I had simply been in her presence for any period of time on the same day as the session was held. This had never happened with our tape recorder before, and every effort to solve the problem failed. We even tried using a back up recorder, and it failed to record at all.
But, note the most interesting remark above that “Pat is a ‘locator probe’ for the purpose of monitoring those in her midst. Telling is not important, reading is. Besides, most of the work performed did not involve conscious awareness.”
That tells us a bit about how people can be used without their conscious awareness. Apparently, a person can be implanted with a particular device that simply is read at a distance by either human or alien personnel.
What is even more interesting is, “Pat could be used as a probe to monitor all events taking place at JPL and other laboratories by examining aural imprints of her husband and others with whom she was acquainted. All events leave permanent imprints upon aural energy fields.” This seems to be saying that there is some sort of fourth density technology that can read the aural imprints of other people in such precise terms that it even knows where they were and what they were doing.
Now, that’s creepy! It made me realize a very important thing: even if I like or love someone, even if they are totally innocent in conscious terms, they can be used to monitor me or even vector energy in my environment that is harmful. That opens a wide door to manipulation and control in our lives. We can be manipulated to invite someone into our lives who is nothing but a tool to be used against us. And the tragedy is, they can be totally and completely innocent. That hurts!
And, I would like to add another thing about the above case: there is more or less independent corroboration of what the Cassiopaeans were saying about Pat. Clearly, there was extreme interest in her from some other levels of reality, as was evidenced by the numerous sightings of Flying Black Boomerangs that began at exactly the time she was under hypnosis on my sofa. That is an incontrovertible fact, reported by numerous witnesses, and written up in the St. Petersburg Times. Thomas French wrote about it in his article saying:
The newspaper and TV were reporting multiple sightings of UFOs in the area. From mid to late April in 1993, more than a dozen people in Pasco, Hernando and Pinellas counties said they had seen a large, boomerang shaped craft moving across the sky. One of the witnesses, a Hernando County sheriff’s deputy, said the craft carried no markings, was adorned with blue lights and had a wingspan of at least 200 feet. He watched it for several minutes, he said, before it accelerated away from him at a speed that would have been impossible for any human-made craft.
‘Based on what I know now, no, I don’t think it’s from this planet,’ the deputy told a St. Petersburg Times reporter. ‘Nothing on Earth could hover and haul ass like that.’
…The first alleged sighting of the boomerang-shaped craft had been made in New Port Richey on the evening of Thursday, April 15, the same night she [Laura] was conducting her hypnosis session [with Pat]. The person who had seen the object that night lived only six blocks or so from Laura’s house; she said she had seen the craft through her bedroom window after 10 p.m. that evening, after L.A. Law came on. … The witness claimed that she had seen the giant boomerang at the exact time Laura was deep into her session; in fact, she said she’d seen it hovering over Laura’s own neighborhood.4
So we have a certain form of validation. But, of course, as I have said, at the time I had no idea of the significance since I did not know of the government connections of my subject. My feeling at the time was that the boomerang craft appeared just to scare me away from the subject matter of UFOs, or to get my attention. That was a little bit egotistical, in retrospect. And after learning of Pat’s background, the whole incident, including the accompanying UFO flap, made more sense. Indeed, it does seem that Pat had information that somebody, or some thing, did not want me to access. And, we are left with the problem of how such knowledge was communicated to these unknown beings.
As I pointed out to another researcher, futurist Mike Lindemann, the kind of surveillance that was implied by the knowledge that I was going to do that hypnosis session, particularly when nothing about aliens or abductions was ever mentioned, would be predicated upon mind reading. If we are going to postulate that it is some sort of secret government that is behind the UFO phenomenon, then we must allow for this mind reading technology. And, if our government possesses and uses it, we are all screwed. Which is, of course, a distinct possibility.
But there is another kind of tool in the alien bag of tricks: robots. This is a subject that was mentioned briefly in The Ra Material, though that group never came back to the subject as far as I can tell:
Q: Is an entity in the fourth density normally invisible to us?
Ra: …The fourth density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for fourth density to be visible. However, it is not the choice of the fourth density entity to be visible due to the necessity for concentration upon a rather difficult vibrational complex, which is the third density you experience.
Q: Are there a Confederation or Orion [STS] entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?
Ra: There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion [STS] use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.
Q: Could you describe the robot?
Ra: The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.
Q: Is the robot what is normally called the “Men in Black”?
Ra: This is incorrect.
Q: Who are the “Men in Black”?
Ra: The “Men in Black” are a thought-form type of entity, which have some beingness to their make-up. They have certain physical characteristics given them. However, their true vibrational nature is without third density vibrational characteristics and, therefore, they are able to materialize and dematerialize when necessary.
Unfortunately, no further questions were asked about “robots”. However, the Cassiopaeans did expound on this subject to some extent. We already have talked about the Grays being cybergenetic probes of the Reptoid beings, and there is a great deal of discussion of this aspect in my book, High Strangeness. What we want to talk about here is something a bit different.
The subject of robots was brought up in response to some questions about Roswell and the alien autopsy video. It is not the time or place to engage in a lengthy debate about either Roswell or the much contested video. However, I do intend to cover the Roswell subject more thoroughly at another time. For the moment, just let me make a few comments.
I recently had a conversation with an individual who is fairly certain that all of the so-called alien activities are merely planted memories or perceptions devised by any number of secret government mind control projects somewhat akin to what was revealed in the Greenbaum lecture. It is thought by many who take this view that Nikola Tesla and Andrija Puharich were the brains behind the technology that could produce the effects I have described above in my own experience with the abductee and the black boomerangs.
I had researched the black boomerangs and discovered that they were not all that usual, but at the same time, they did have a history that made me give the matter some thought. As I pointed out in High Strangeness in relation to the black boomerangs, the earlier sightings and relationships were so similar to my own as to suggest something altogether different. They were sighted as far back as 27 years before my own experience with seemingly no change in model and design. So, as I suggested there, if it is a secret government project, those boys in black ops have no imagination at all. Still using the same model!
But, more seriously, how does one relate the idea of a secret government project based on Tesla and Puharich technology to all the many sightings of UFOs and clearly alien-type beings throughout the past two millennia or more? It seems that some of such interpreters want to make a distinction between those incidents of the distant past, and everything that has occurred since Kenneth Arnold followed by Roswell. My contention is that it is the same phenomenon wearing a new suit of clothes as I have explicated in High Strangeness.
History did not begin with Tesla, Puharich, or the secret government, and I could cite many cases from the past here that would demonstrate clearly we are dealing with the same phenomenon.
Now, of course, I say to those individuals who claim that the whole scenario of the present day is part of some mind control project that has evolved from technology discovered in this century, if that is the case then they must also permit time travel capabilities for this same secret government to explain many of the related or similar historical events. And if they do that then we are really in not much different shape than if it were alien beings who can come in and out of our reality via hyperdimensional space. And the argument becomes moot.
There are many problems with the Roswell story, which are touched on by the following excerpts, not to mention the many arguments against the alien autopsy film revealed to the world by Ray Santilli.5 One of the rather naive arguments against the autopsy film was that, if the government had really captured alien beings, they would have engaged a competent camera man, or would have engaged the finest scientific minds and done the autopsy in the dissection theater of some large university, and certainly would not have had such inept hands handling something of such great, scientific and historic import.
Well, let’s get real here. If you are a small group of power-mad control freaks functioning in the darkness of secrecy, who are you going to get to do this kind of work? Somebody with an international reputation and no fear of you, who would go to the press first thing next morning, or somebody over whom you have considerable control by intimidation?
I vote for the latter, myself. And, if that is the case, then your options are limited. Obviously, such a group did not plan to have a crashed UFO with bodies, or they would have been prepared with proper personnel and equipment in advance. But, once the event was in their hands, the best and only option would be to involve only those people who could be relied upon to keep their mouths shut for any number of reasons, including the fact that some life shattering secret about their lives could be held over their heads to keep them in line.
And, if that is the criteria for selecting the person to do the autopsy and the film, then obviously you don’t have a wide selection that matches the requirements. So we can dispose of the idea of the camera man even being a competent handler of the equipment he had available, and can also conjecture that the whole camera man story was a deliberate ruse from the very beginning. Therefore, those who have pursued that avenue of potential revelation are following a red herring from the start.
As to the competence of the autopsy itself, the crude handling and procedures, the same rule would apply. If you are part of a secret organization that was not really prepared for such an occurrence, then you just do the best you have with what you’ve got. So, you don’t have a great surgeon or anatomist handy to do the autopsy of the millennium. Maybe all you have is a mad scientist who you have rescued from Nuremberg, and who spent the war butchering little children. Well, that’s what you’ve got. You find the best secured location you can get, gather your little team of guys who you know you can control because they have some really dark secrets of their own, and send ’em in to do it.
Now just suppose, some years later, a few members of this secret government who thought they were in charge of the whole situation, discover that they are not at the top of the food chain. And maybe they discover that things are much further out of control than they ever imagined it could be, and they get really scared. Well, what are they going to do? They have to figure out some way to set the situation up so that when the doo doo hits the oscillating vector, there just might be an out for them. So, they hatch a plan to release information via various doorways. Suppose Ray Santilli is one of those doorways?
Under such circumstances, dealing with such hidden controllers, do you think for a minute that Ray is going to cave in and say anything other than the story cooked up by the black ops guys? Nope. Don’t count on it. In such a case, he would behave exactly as he has behaved. He cannot do otherwise. I repeat: cannot.
Having said all of this, let’s have a look at some of the Cassiopaeans’ comments about Roswell and the alien autopsy film:
May 27, 2000
Q: (L) Now, we have a problem here with Roswell. I just finished reading Kal Korff’s book Roswell: What They Don’t Want You to Know, and it is pretty much a bashing expose of lies and confusions spread, supposedly, by the many witnesses who have come forward over the years. He takes Jesse Marcel apart, he takes the fireman’s daughter’s story apart; he rips the undertaker’s story to pieces; he takes Phil Corso’s story apart; you name it, he bashes it to bits. Pretty effectively, too, in my opinion.
He seems to have located the origin of the “little sticks with hieroglyphics on them” seen by several of the so-called witnesses. This is a serious problem with this whole story. The problem is that, despite the fact that this guy has dissected all the stories so effectively, there are things he cannot account for, and explanations that he makes that simply don’t fit his thesis. On the one hand, he claims that the Roswell base people instituted a cover-up of a top-secret balloon project, and on the other hand, he says that the Roswell base did not know about the top-secret balloon project because it was so secret. That is completely irreconcilable. Then he quotes a general’s written statement that something was going on that had something to do with alien interactions, and dismisses this signed statement as “hearsay.”
The thing that occurs to me is that a) either we have somebody going back and forth in time, tweaking the facts, such as Marcel’s military records and such things including any records of the nurse that the undertaker claims to have talked to; or b) we have something that did happen and either they went back in time to set a situation up so that people would start remembering something other than what happened, so as to cover up the real event with more or less “false memories” that could be not stand scrutiny; or c) they are just feeding disinformation through all of these people, and have produced a whole scenario with all kinds of witnesses and weird stuff to cover up something that happened. Could you comment on this?
A: Try scenario 3.
Q: (L) So, they are feeding disinformation through all the so-called “Roswell witnesses”?
Q: (L) To cover up something that really did happen?
Q: (L) And they are feeding the disinformation through the people so that they will come out with this whole story, make all this big splash, so that it can then be proven false, so that everybody will think that the whole thing was a crock of kaflooey. Is that it?
A: Not quite. Confusing stories and fabrications are used to muddy the waters in anticipation of future disclosures. And beware of authors who cast one stone and hit multiple targets. As with any conspiratorial mystery, keep focused on the earliest entries in the evidentiary train, i.e., “RAAF recovers flying disk in Roswell region.”
Q: (L) Oh, the newspaper headlines. Yes. Hmm… Terry was saying that he thought the Roswell business was a cover-up for space-time travel by some secret U.S. group.
A: No. Roswell did involve evidence of non-human intelligence.
Q: (L) I just can’t understand some things. When these researchers get out there and they start digging into things, and this happens over and over again, they don’t dig deep enough…
A: Kennedy was assassinated by everyone… according to the myriad researchers, so called.
Q: (L) So true. You read one “carefully researched” book, and there is one candidate for the assassin. You read another “carefully researched” book and there is another candidate. By the time you get done reading all the books, everybody in the country is implicated. At the very least, everyone present in Dealey Plaza had the opportunity. (F) They keep on searching. But, if you go back to the very beginning, that is where the clues are. Right away, there were reports of shooters on the “grassy knoll.” The very early evidence gathered from those present was completely ignored and washed away as “irrelevant” or “misperception.” (B) There were people ducking and diving for cover because of their awareness of the source of the bullets! (L) Yes, but all that is just brushed away as panic or whatever because, of course, Oswald did it! And, handily, Oswald gets blown away by Jack Ruby so he can never talk, for sure. (F) And Jack Ruby died of cancer without talking to anyone except Dorothy Kilgallen, who then decided that it was the best time to commit suicide, right after interviewing Jack Ruby … naturally, before she ever wrote a word about it. (L) Is there any trail we could follow that would enable us to obtain a more definite indication of what really did go on in the Roswell case?
A: There is no “proof” or evidence unless the perceiver is willing.
Q: (F) Yeah. It’s the same story with the abduction experience. They have now discovered that if you put somebody in a sensory deprivation chamber and subject them to EM waves of some sort, they will report the same thing. So, let’s just ignore the physical traces of alien interaction, not to mention history! Let’s forget all that and pronounce that, “See? We have tested these other people in tanks, under waves, and that proves that this is the only thing going on here!”
July 15, 2000
Q: (L) Now, in regards to Kal Korff’s book, you have said that my scenario about the different stories, the various witnesses, whoever is behind the cover-up is just feeding disinformation through all of these people and have produced a whole scenario with all kinds of witnesses and weird stuff to cover up something that happened, and that this is the closest to being correct. I would like to know how close, and just how they are feeding disinformation through all of these witnesses. Obviously, these people believe what they are saying.
A: They do.
Q: (L) Why do they believe?
A: They are telling what they remember, but it is soaked in twisting parallels.
Q: (L) Are the people doing this themselves?
A: No. Event mixture. There was more than one “crash in the vicinity” of Roswell, and at different times. The four-body scenario refers to the incident most frequently cited.
Q: (L) How many were there?
Q: (L) There were three in the July period?
A: June/July. June 4th, July 1st, and July 4th. This explains the famous news release because the base was abuzz due to all these occurrences.
Q: (L) It seems to me that if the base were already abuzz with these occurrences, they would already have had their cover organized and their stories straight! In such a case, the famous news release would never have happened.
Q: (L) But they all seem to remember this July 4th crash, or so they say.
A: Yes. But events were intertwined.
Q: (L) So, some may have witnessed different events?
A: Parts of…
Q: (L) Have they also been tampered with in terms of abduction or having implanted memories or screen memories?
Q: (L) Have they, in any way, been exposed to something that was falsely staged by the government in order to make them think…?
Q: (L) So, they are all sincere and honest witnesses, but they are witnesses to different events, and they all think that they are witnesses to the same event?
A: The so-called suspicious circumstances are merely a patchwork, cleverly used by those who wish to conceal.
Q: (L) For example: did the fireman actually go to a crash site and witness what his daughter claims he witnessed?
Q: (L) Was it an alien craft crash site?
Q: (L) Did Jesse Marcel witness a crashed UFO?
A: Pieces of one.
Q: (L) Did Glenn Dennis really talk with a nurse who later disappeared?
Q: (L) How did this woman disappear? Kal Korff could find no record of her existence.
A: Transferred, discharged, records expunged.
Q: (L) Is she dead?
Q: (L) Did she die under suspicious circumstances?
Q: (L) Did the little balsa wood pieces actually come from a toy company as Korff suggests?
A: No. Kal Korff was paid to mislead, but it is now moot as the military changed its story yet again after his book was published.
Q: (L) One of the things that Kal Korff did was to dig into Jesse Marcel’s background, and he claims that Marcel never had any of the background that he claimed, and that Jesse Marcel is basically a liar. He has the military records to back him up on this. Were Marcel’s records altered?
A: Jesse did not lie.
Now that we have an idea that there is more to Roswell than we might have initially thought, let’s see about the alien autopsy and how it may relate.
August 12, 1995
Q: (L) Earlier today, at the MUFON meeting in Clearwater, there was a speaker who proposed that the Vedic idea of who and what the Lizard beings [4D STS] were is that this is the activation of the sexual principle, or kundalini within us. Any kind of UFO or alien activity is merely the reflection of what is inside all of us. Is this a correct assessment?
A: In truth, the best way to most adequately answer those questions is to ask yourself what do you believe, based on the knowledge that you have collected and have been given.
Q: (L) Well, I sometimes wonder if they are not part of ourselves, in a parallel universe, and they emerge into our world and interact with us in a negative way. And, that the historical stories of alien/human interaction are really just stories of human performance of mechanical operations, guided by negative aspects of their own being in another dimension or density. Would this not be a distinct possibility?
A: Not in the sense that you are thinking. Remember, it is always wise to review ALL of the previously gathered information whenever any new ideas appear before you. This is true not only in this particular instance, but also all others as well. For example, how often would mere thought patterns, or realities emerging from a parallel universe, appear in desert locations and be retrieved by third density beings for study in the third density realm?
Now, if indeed you believe that this has happened, and it HAS, one must contemplate the meaning of such and how it relates to one’s proposal that the whole issue involves much higher levels of density on the etheric plane, and, or, inter-dimensional capabilities that cannot be measured within the realm of third density. These theories, certainly, are part of the answer, but merely a part of the answer, and none of them represents the entire answer. And we caution very strongly that you avoid falling into the trap of believing too strongly in any one explanation that appears, as this too, is a form of attack which can lead to destructive consequences.
Q: (L) So, there are actual, material, alien craft that have been captured or retrieved by the government and studied?
A: Do you have any doubt of this?
Q: (L) Well, sometimes I wonder if the whole thing is cooked up by the government just to make us all crazy!
A: Well that’s an interesting concept, but we can assure you, that that is not, in any way, correct.
Q: (L) Well, if these craft emerge into our reality from fourth density, as I assume some of them do, how do they stay here? Do they become absolutely physically material and do they remain here?
A: If they malfunction in third density, they then become frozen in third density. Very simple.
Q: (L) And, does the same hold true for the beings?
Q: (L) So, they are very real and physical…
A: They are very real and physical in fourth density, too. The difference is that fourth density physicality is not the same as third density physicality. But that is not to say that there is no physicality in fourth density. In order to completely remove all attachment to physicality, one must reach sixth density or higher.
Everything below that involves some aspect of physicality or attachment to physicality; as in fifth density, the contemplation zone, which is simply a recycling of those from 1st through 4th densities, in the etheric plane. They are brought back down and recycled into one of the physical realms. Each density level one through four, involves lesser and lesser physicality, as you know it, but nevertheless there still is physicality.
Third density physicality, however, remains constant on third density. When a being or a craft or an instrument of any kind manufactured or conceived in fourth density arrives in third density, it is able to navigate through third density in fourth density reality. However, when it malfunctions, whatever is left of it remains in third density. Those reports of objects or of any physical structure whatsoever, be it a being or a construct, disappearing from third density to fourth density, in each and every case, involves an object or a being, or a construct, which is not in the process of malfunctioning. It is still fully operational at its fourth density realm. It is merely visiting third density which has a limited capacity, as you measure time in its passage, therefore it does, indeed, remove itself naturally, at some point, to fourth density. However, if it malfunctions or is in any way broken or altered, it will remain in third density.
Q: (L) So, if someone removes an implant, the best way to keep it here would be to smash it?
A: If someone removes an implant it is no longer functioning as it was designed to function.
Q: (L) Okay. So we have some real things happening, and a possibility that a film was taken of this interaction with these malfunctioning fourth density beings and craft. And, supposedly, this film is going to be shown on television. Is this film of this autopsy, and examination of craft remains, a true filming of same, or is it a fake, or fraud?
A: Well, one would suggest that for the maximum amount of learning, that the film be witnessed by those seeking the truth, in order to determine for themselves whether or not it is factual, as such will be possible upon viewing.
We took a break to watch the alien autopsy film.
September 2, 1995
Q: (L) Well, on the subject of abduction: we watched the film on television, Monday the 28th, that was a purported video of an alien autopsy, or, more correctly, an autopsy on an alien body. Was this, in fact, an alien?
A: How do you define “alien”?
Q: (L) Was it a being other than a naturally born human on this planet, as we know human beings?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) It was other than a naturally born human? In other words, it was not a deformed human?
Q: (L) Okay. What kind of a being was this?
Q: (L) What was it a hybrid of — combining what elements?
A: Cybergenetic creatures you refer to as “Grays”, and earth human such as yourself, third density. So, in essence, it was a hybridization of a 3rd density and 4th density being. It was a 3rd and 4th density being.
Q: (L) How can a being be both third and fourth density?
A: It is the environmental surroundings that count, not the structure of the individual. The same is true, for you. After all, you have read literature stating that your world or planet is in the process of ascending from 3rd to 4th density. Have you not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And this literature has also stated that this is an ongoing process, has it not?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then, one must wonder, if it is an ongoing process, how would it be possible, if it is not possible, for a being to be in both 3rd and 4th density at one time… Also, if you will recall from review material, you are currently living in the same environment as 2nd and 1st density level beings. Is this not true?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: At least that is what you have been told. So, therefore, it is possible for a being to be in 3rd and 4th density. And as we have also told you, when 4th density beings visit 3rd density environment, they are, in effect, 3rd density beings, and vice versa. The so-called abduction takes place, especially if it is a physical abduction, the subject becomes temporarily 4th density, because it is the environment that counts. And the key factor there is awareness, not physical or material structure.
Q: (L) I have a paper here that talks about the Grays and says that they have two brains: an anterior brain and a posterior brain; and that if you shoot one — this is what it says, I am not suggesting that I want to shoot anybody — that if you shoot one, and only shoot one part of the brain, that it does not die; that you have to shoot it in a special way and get both brains in order to kill one. Is this a correct concept?
A: Well, it is rather puzzling. Brings up a lot of questions. One question that comes to mind is: why would one seek to shoot anything?
Q: (L) Well, I didn’t suggest that I wished to, this is just what this paper says here.
A: The physical description is accurate in terms one variety of what is referred to as the Grays. It does have an anterior brain. However, this is secondary to all other issues. And, also we would suggest that it would not be advisable to seek to cause physical harm to any particular species. Therefore, it may be advisable to disregard the information contained in the work that you are describing.
Q: (L) It also says that the Grays have to be very close to a person to telepathically link with that person. Is this correct?
A: Close? No, as we have described to you before, there are technological processes involved, which do not require close physical proximity as you measure it.
Q: (L) It also says that they implant some sort of crystal on the optic nerve of humans that is 2 to 4 microns in diameter and that this crystal is tuned to the frequency of the individuals implanting it, which allows them to establish a mental frequency for communication. Is that anywhere along the line of what you are talking about?
A: Physical implantations do occur. The precise locations vary according to the desired effects. And when it comes to the interactions between the human species in 3rd density, and other STS issues in 4th density, there are a variety of mechanisms in use as well as a variety of directives and objectives. For example, some implants are used merely for tracking. Others are used to alter consciousness, and still others are designed to be mind altering or motor altering mechanisms.
Each of these has a different structure and a different material content according to which is being employed and for what purpose. The particular function you are describing there has been used, or, rather, something similar, though we are not completely familiar with that which you have described; so, we suggest that this may be fabrication to some extent, or expansion of accurate information. But, in any case, it is true that implants do get implanted for various reasons.
Q: (L) Shifting gears back to the alien autopsy: can you access the information and indicate whether this hybrid being was one that was obtained from a crash that occurred at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947?
A: The crash did not occur at Roswell. It was in a desert area, approximately 157 miles to the West by Northwest, of the Roswell location. The Roswell location that you are familiar with did not include either a craft or any bodies or living beings. It was merely a debris field. The craft, which had malfunctioned over Roswell, thus leaving behind the debris field, had, in fact crashed some distance away. This is where the bodies and living beings were recovered along with what was remaining of the craft. And, yes, the being in the film you have seen DID come from there.
December 2, 1995
Q: (L) Now, switching gears: while watching the alien autopsy film, we saw a massive organ that occupies the whole center of the abdominal cavity. What was that?
Q: (L) (S) A combination of both in one?
Q: (L) They also carefully removed a solid or hard object that they then put in a small container. What was this object?
A: Crystal transceiver.
Q: (L) What was all the loose matter?
A: Organic tissue. Not important.
Q: (L) Was it a female or a male?
A: Both and neither.
Q: (L) Was it a being that could reproduce sexually?
Q: (L) What kind of nourishment was required by that being?
A: Saline gelatin globules. Applications using biological microforms to metastasize through primary glandular channels.
Q: (L) Did that being use oxygen as in breathing?
Q: (L) Where were the lungs?
A: Side of torsal cavity.
We obtained a copy of the British TV version of the autopsy film and watched it numerous times, after which we came back and asked more questions.
October 21, 1995
Q: (L) I want to talk about the Roswell [autopsy] video that we’ve all watched. Now T continues to insist that it was not Roswell, that it’s a phony video. He just can’t get into it. This is also the consensus of the UFO community at large, due to the lack of cooperation of Ray Santilli. I would like to know if that video is of alien beings that were retrieved from the crash referred to as “Roswell” even if we know it did not take place precisely at Roswell?
Q: (L) Okay. Why did so many people report seeing aliens that had only four fingers and [toes], you know, like the standard grays? The being in the film had six fingers and toes.
A: Multiple subjects.
Q: (L) Okay, so there were more than one type of alien on that one craft?
Q: (L) Okay, the story that came from the camera man who shot the video was that there were these four beings outside the craft. One was dead, and three were standing outside the craft, crying and clutching boxes to their chests. What were those boxes?
A: Storage of translation matrix group to individual; emotion stabilization units.
Q: (L) What is a translation matrix?
A: Translates foreign thought patterns, not needed except in emergency loss of electromagnetic grid wave.
Q: (L) Okay, what is an emotion stabilization unit used for?
A: Variety of uses, mostly for survival by neutralizing thoughts of harm by emotionally charged beings, not accustomed to shocking turn of events.
Q: (L) Were the harmful thoughts that they were designed to neutralize, thoughts emanating from other beings?
Q: (L) Well, they didn’t work very well, did they?
A: Did not have chance to activate.
Q: (L) Okay, so if they had had the opportunity to activate these boxes, they would have been more or less able to extricate themselves from this unpleasant situation?
A: Not extricate, lessen negative aspects.
Q: (L) Okay, how many beings were in this particular craft that crashed?
Q: (L) How come the reports say there were only four?
A: Reports are suppressed and fragmented, as far fewer individuals witnessed interior of craft!! Also, some reports are of other incident.
Q: (L) Okay, now of the 21 that were in the craft that was captured, so to speak, there were four outside the craft when it was approached, is that correct?
Q: (L) Then that would mean that there were 17 inside… Of these 21 beings, how many were grays, the standard gray lizzie-probe type being?
Q: (L) Were there other kinds of beings in there?
Q: (L) There was one human in there also?
Q: (L) There were 5 humans inside, so we have… Why were those humans in the craft?
A: Retrieval and study specimens, two big foot types.
Q: (L) Does that mean that the humans that they had in there were retrieval and study specimens, or otherwise known as abductees?
Q: (L) Oh, they were dead humans. Wonderful! It just gets uglier and uglier! Did they abduct them dead? Or did they abduct them alive?
Q: (L) Did they abduct them alive and then kill them?
Q: (L) Were they dead as a result of the crash?
Q: (L) Well, then, what’s the story here, I mean, what other choices do I have?
A: Retrieved. Picked up after expiration.
Q: (L) Okay, so they picked up dead bodies, is that it?
Q: (L) You said that there were two big foot types: were the big foot types also dead?
Q: (L) You said that there were five dead humans inside that were retrieval and study specimens. Where did they get these bodies?
A: Mexico and South America.
Now, let’s insert here a segment from another session wherein a particularly bizarre series of remarks were made, which prompted me to ask a certain question that we will come back to shortly. In the following excerpt, we had a guest, TK, who was retired from the Navy:
October 14, 1995
Q: (L) TK does have a couple of questions he would like to ask, and one of the questions is: has he himself ever been abducted by aliens?
A: Complex. Ships are vulnerable to ELF and “Zero Time Transfer”.
Q: (L) So, are you suggesting that any abductions that took place, took place while he was on board a ship?
Q: (T): What did you serve on, what kind of ships? (TK) AEGIS Cruiser, I was just on one ship, that was just the last five years or so… (T) Were his abductions… did they take place while he was on the ship, on the cruiser?
A: We see “Bahrain”.
Q: (TK) We were only in Bahrain one night.
A: Examine. You must remember, different branches of your military services have underlying code mechanisms to determine their classification status for “secret” duty, including study of personnel, this is all very complex… Now, “U.S. Navy is status 2”, which means among other things, that it is married to a class 2 “Cooperation Agency”, the O.N.I. All technical personnel are approached during their service, and asked to perform tasks for Secret Government. If they accept, they are “brought under classified management”.
Q: (L) That was the answer to the question, why was he abducted? (J) Or was he abducted at all?
A: Examined, as with all others on ship.
Q: (T) Was the Navy aware of what was happening?
A: Segmented. Some know and some don’t. Some in Navy are cooks.
Q: (T) That’s what Steven Seagal said in [the film] Under Siege — “I’m just the cook, you know!” He wasn’t really a cook. (TK) The funny thing is, I was a cook in the Navy in the beginning… (T) Okay, you gave us some information about Navy being connected to Navy Intelligence. (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied by aliens?
Q: (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied by the military itself?
Q: (L) What is the classification that the person has to fall into in order to be abducted and studied by the military?
A: What makes you think “classifications” correlates with abductions?
Q: (TK) It’s not the classification, it’s… it’s gotta be the type of person…
Q: (TK) And how easy it would be to influence…
A: Of course. And many other factors.
Q: (TK) It would have to have something to do with what they could do for the abductors. I mean, they have to be in a position to help them…
A: Yes. STS vibrational frequency.
Q: (T) Okay, that’s a factor. There’s more than one agenda involved with abductions. Are the military personnel that are being abducted; is that a specific agenda that is being followed?
A: Artificial classifications, such as military designations, are important to human groups only.
Q: (J) I’ve got a question. Isn’t it true that in order to become part of the military, you have to go through boot camp, the indoctrination to the point where you’re going to follow orders without questioning, and that that mindset would lend itself more towards? (TK) The Marines are about the only ones that even try to get people to follow orders without question any more. The Navy has all but given up on that. It’s not a time of war so it’s not necessary right now.
A: Yes. Some have always “faked” such blind allegiance anyway.
Q: (TK) I basically faked it, I…
A: You were not alone.
Q: (TK) Oh, yeah! There were a bunch of us. “Yeah, sure, tell us what to do. If it’s in our interest, if we’re going to stay alive, we’ll do it; if you’re going to kill us, forget it!” I used to tell them on the ship, that if I ever got captured, I’m going to tell them everything I know. I said, they aren’t going to have to torture me long… (T) Besides, when you torture me, I tend to scream a lot and not tell you too much, so I’ll just tell you and let’s skip the torture. (TK) So when I refused to go up for ESWS, I was kind of an outcast, I wasn’t in the club anymore… Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist. (T) Aha, that’s when you were asked! (J) That’s where they separate the men from the boys… (TK) This captain put it in such a way, he said, “Well, if you’ll work on your ESWS and get that pin, I’ll see to it that you get good marks and make chief…” which to me was like saying, well, if you don’t do it, you’re not going to make chief. I said, “Sorry, bud! I’m not going to do it. I don’t respond to that kind of bribery/intimidation stuff!” (F) You would have set the service back a number of years. (TK) That’s when I became an outcast from the club.
A: Not correct concept, not outcast, just deemed not SG material.
Q: (L) What’s SG?
A: Secret Government.
Q: (TK) Darn! (J) You had your chance Tom, and you blew it! (TK) Was FRW initiated? Was he one of the Secret Government agents?
A: No. Was a “conduit”. There are several steps that must be followed to become part of the Secret Government.
Q: (J) You have to know the handshake… (T) I can’t get my foot in my ear, I’m sorry! [Laughter]
A: Vietnam MIA’s, where do you suppose they are now?
Q: (TK) Have they been abducted? (T) Some of them got blown up so badly that they couldn’t be found, so they were listed as MIAs, because they couldn’t mark them as KIAs. Some of them are deserters, some of them… well, deserters would fall into several classifications, which I won’t bother getting into. Some of them went into the drug trade. (TK) Some of them just decided they liked it better over there. (T) Yeah, there’s that, and some of them, I would imagine, have been either abducted or swapped, moved into the Secret Government. (L) Is all of this correct?
Q: (TK) Are we supposed to still be on the military subject?
A: KIAs… are a separate subject!! KIAs, how many really were?
Q: (T) How many of the 60,000 really were killed? How many of them are listed as dead when they’re not? (TK) Tell you what, there were so many different kinds of people that went over there, the Secret Government could have recruited a bunch… (L) Are these some of the people working in these underground places we are always hearing stories about?
Q: (L) That’s where those personnel are coming from…
A: And many other places, times, etc.
Q: (TK) Wars all through the ages. How many are we talking about?
A: Since your imagination center is on low frequency tonight, suppose we have to spell it all out for you…
Q: (L) Go ahead, spell it out for us. How many are we talking about here?
A: W.W.II, 72,355, still alive where????
Q: (T) Now, wait a minute… That’s how many people the Secret Government has snatched up? (J) From W.W.II? (TK) That’s out of something like 40 million… (F) Total People killed in W.W.II was 70 to 80 million… (TK) Military casualties… We’re not talking about just US military, either, we’re talking about total, anybody’s army… (T) That was supposedly killed in action…
Q: (T) …from all branches of the service?
Q: (TK) These people aren’t aging; they’re still in action and ready to go…
A: Precisely, my friends!!!
Q: (TK) How about Korea, Vietnam, etc.
A: Korea: 6,734.
Q: (T) Yeah, there were about 55 thousand casualties in Korea, in the four years of Korea. Really it was 3 1/2 years in Korea. So 6,000, about a little over 10% of them aren’t really dead.
A: Vietnam: 23,469.
Q: (T) 23,000 of the 66,000…
Q: (T) …are still alive?
A: Yes. Some are body duplicate soul receptacle replacements.
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Q: (J) They have just around 100,000 with those three figures they gave us. (TK) They’ve got a military force right now, and it’s not just a military, these are elite. I mean, they’ve been recruited. (J) They’ve been asked the question, and they said yes! (T) Yes, this is not some guy hunking a gun in a foxhole just for the heck of it. These are specialists. (TK) The CIA was siphoning people off in ‘Nam right and left.
Q: (L) Are there any Civil War KIAs involved in this scenario?
A: A few.
Q: (T): Well, the farther back you go, the specialties weren’t developed. But a specialist is a specialist, no matter what the war.
A: Not point.
Q: (L) I think the point is who they are. Now, in the Matrix material, there’s a section that talks about technical abilities to jerk people’s souls out of their bodies, insert other souls, reprogram the memories, essentially that there is no congruency…
Q: (L) Okay, so the jerking out and the manipulating of souls as described are false? In a general sense?
Q: (L) Okay, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e., duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead people and put their souls in a replacement body, so that they can continue living on, is that it?
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and reanimate them and then put other souls in them?
A: No. For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is duplicated, his soul is replaced into new body, then he is “reprogrammed for service” to aliens and S.G.
Q: (L) Where does the new body coming from?
A: It is duplicate of old body. TDARM. [Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization]
Q: (T) Otherwise known in Star Trek as a “replicator”. (TK) Does somebody have to die in a certain way before they can do this?
Q: (TK) Is there a time limit on how long they can be dead?
A: No. Zero time.
Q: (L) They use the frequency vibration of the soul pattern, they take it into another density, use their TDARM technology to cause a molecular re-assembly; in other words, the atoms begin to assemble around it in the pattern that it had before, and then it is a full-fledged body, and then they insert it back through the time doorway into 3D again. Is that correct?
Q: (T) Okay, you said… Let’s use Vietnam. You said there were 23,000 KIAs of the 60,000 that actually were not killed in action. True? Yes?
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We’re not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
Q: (L) Okay, there are some that were killed in action that the actual bodies were reanimated? (J) As long as they weren’t blown up in a land mine, yeah. (L) There were actually bodies that were actually reanimated, is that correct?
A: Some, but most were duplicated. War makes covert actions so easy.
Q: (T) It’s just that the cover of a war, is easier to take the bodies. (TK) They do not want people to realize… They do not want to just take them out of the graves, because if you did, it would be more noticed. (L) Were some of these bodies taken… Were the bodies picked up, taken into another density for this remolecularization patterning?
Q: (L) Okay, so they had to have an actual body for the pattern. Were the original bodies returned once the duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they were, and sometimes, no, they weren’t. (T) Were some of these supposed ‘killed in action’s actually not killed? Were they still alive when they were removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense a “crime of opportunity”. (J) War is a supermarket of opportunities! (T) Some were just taken by the Secret Government when they were alive, some were dead and brought back in new bodies to continue on, and they were considered dead, but they’re all considered dead.
A: Taken by aliens, not SG. Secret Government is aware to some extent, but not in control of operation.
Q: (L) Okay, now this brings up the question about… We were told that there was, and this was… last week we asked about this thing about the death… and we were told that there was an impenetrable triple veil that prevents some of this type of activity, that he describes happening. How can this be reconciled? Well, the explanation that I see is that it happens that they do this before they go into the tunnel, into the light. They catch them in the transition before they go to 5D. Is that correct?
A: Time adjustment.
Q: (L) Does that mean that they know that they’re going to die, and they go back in time to just before they die, or just at the moment of death, or…?
Q: (T): Now, what are the aliens doing with these bodies? With the humans that they replicate and duplicate and reanimate? What are they doing with them?
A: Serve them. Workers.
So, now that you know what was in my head when we were talking about Roswell, you will understand why I asked the next question in the session we broke away from to insert the above segment about KIAs.
October 21, 1995
Q: (L) Okay, did they plan to reanimate these corpses?
Q: (L) Do they ever pick up dead bodies, you know, right after, and reanimate them?
Q: (L) When they pick them up and reanimate them, do they reanimate them with the souls that left them? Do they like, catch the soul and put it back in?
Q: (L) When they reanimate them, do they reanimate them with an alien soul?
A: Multiple possibilities.
Q: (L) If they reanimate them, is it possible to reanimate them with no soul?
Q: (L) Okay, when they reanimate them with no soul, do they have kind of like a zombie-like situation?
Q: (L) Well, could you give us a little more information on this particular aspect? If they reanimate them with no soul, what is the animating force or energy?
A: Indistinguishable from other humans.
Q: (L) How is that possible?
A: Technology makes all things possible!!!
Q: (L) Of course, you are talking about fourth density technology?
Q: (L) Now, a reanimated corpse that has been animated by infusion of some form of an energy pattern… (SV) Is it “chi” energy, maybe? (L) What if the reanimated corpse dies again, I mean, you have got to understand here, that we perceive the soul as being the animating force of the physical body, and when the soul is gone, the body dies. Is that correct?
A: You are making assumptions based on limited data.
Q: (L) Okay, well, will you expand my database by telling me how a corpse can be reanimated if not done by a… if not with a soul?
A: Complex technology, using electronic biogeneration frequency matching, combined with extremely high frequency radio beacon transmitters for tracking and control of all functions, including thought pattern mimic and emotional frequency vibrational rate modulation!!!!
Q: (L) If they’re doing this, does it make the physical body do all normal physical functions?
Q: (L) The blood, the heartbeat and everything…
A: All functions, including cellular, are duplicated.
Q: (SV) What about the aura? (L) Would a being such as this still have an aura?
A: Projected. This is method used for subjects discussed in “Matrix Material” instead of “Robots”, as suggested.
Q: (L) Is there any way that a normal person would be able to identify such a being?
Q: (L) Approximately how many of this type of being are walking around on our planet, acting like normal people?
Q: (L) Approximately 2 million?
A: Yes. You, Laura, have come in contact with 7 of them!
Q: (L) Who are they?
Q: (L) Can you give me a clue, has it been within the last…
A: Open. All it takes is a “hospital visit”.
Q: (LM) Then what happens? Does this mean if one goes into a hospital for surgery, that it’s possible for them to die and be reanimated in this manner? Without anybody being aware of what happened via time/space manipulation?
Q: (L) Is it up to me to figure out what characteristics these individuals have, in order to…
A: Based upon data given, yes.
Q: (L) Okay, is one of the characteristics I think, that these kind of individuals might have, since they have this projected emotional frequency, would be a repeating emotional pattern, that they just simply, in spite of seeming intelligence, do not seem to learn from anything; that it just repeats over and over again, is that a clue?
Q: (L) Okay, then, this same inability to get a clue about what’s going on… Okay, that’s a clue, right there. Is there any kind of instinctual sensation that one would get about these types of individuals?
Q: (L) That they’re bland in some way? Is that it, that these individuals are bland individuals?
A: Spend inordinate amounts of “time” in solitude. Bland is not universal in this situation, just a clue for you to identify individual.
Q: (L) Okay, bland is just part of it.
A: Not key component, more likely to be spreading of disinformation.
Q: (L) Okay, well, there are people I have noticed, that if you tell them something logically, it’s almost like they have a preset program that runs, and the minute you get to the point where you think that they just have to be getting it… then it just shuts down and they repeat the program, almost word for word! And it just amazes me that people can be that way. Okay, do these beings know what they are?
A: Not conscious beings! Are being remote controlled.
Q: (SV) So, if you told one of them what they were, they’d agree with you? (L) No, they’d probably disagree with you. Whoever is in charge would not want you to know it, so they’d naturally deny it vehemently. (L) Now, what is the purpose of putting 2 million of these kinds of critters on the planet? Can you give us a clue?
A: Wait and see.
April 28, 1996
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were, say, a robot person, when a person becomes a robot person, what happens to the soul of the robot person?
A: Same process: Death.
Q: (L) So, a person can die and leave their body, their body can be taken over and reanimated and controlled to function, and do a lot of things for a long time? Meanwhile, the original soul has completely departed to fifth density ready to recycle?
A: Yes, but body is replaced, not reanimated. We caution that, even though you have met 7 “robots”, in your entire lifetime, not to “see” them under every bush or around every corner. You have met so many people in your life. We gave you one, and only one!! [One was identified for me as part of the clue system.]
Q: (L) Well, there are two million of them on the planet, and I have been told that I have encountered seven. I did think that this was a pretty high ratio of robot people for one person to encounter…
A: Yes, but your life path has been unusual.
Q: (L) Can you tell me in what sense it is unusual?
A: Can’t you?
Q: (L) Well, I thought I would trick you into telling me…
A: No tricks, we only treat.
So it seems that, in addition to “green bombs”, in several varieties, mind controlled individuals manipulated by the secret government, we also have a handful of “robots” wandering around on the Big Blue Marble just waiting to do something. Or, even doing it all along, seeming to be ordinary folks like you and me except for a particular blandness that is not universal to them, and a propensity for spending a lot of time alone.
But, two million is really a pretty small number, considering the population of the planet, taken as a whole, so these must be pretty specialized individuals. That they are servants and workers for the control system is pretty clear, and that many of them are supposedly drawn from a military pool is also pretty clear, but the possibilities are wide open in terms of where and how they might be placed.
We came back to the subject at one point, with more interesting revelations:
May 4, 1996
Q: (L) One of the things we talked about the last time TK was here was about the underground bases and military interference in civilian affairs and civilian interface with military affairs. One of the questions we were dealing with was the use of warfare to create situations in which bodies could be taken…
A: Warfare has many “uses”. Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous replacement of gene pool. Factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity, replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration pre-readings…
Q: (L) “Replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration pre-readings…” Okay, do you mean to say that war…
A: Creates “environment” for unnoticed genetic modifications because of greatly heightened exchange of both physical and ethereal factors.
Q: (L) What do you mean by “replacement of key personnel”? Key personnel according to whose definition?
A: 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.
Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the logistics…
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new “underground race” of humans, both from direct capture followed by “re-education”, and spawning activity using these persons and others.
Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.
Q: (L) Are you saying… (TK) They have given birth and these children have never seen our world… (L) How can an entire race of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so wild an idea…
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren’t saying that the earth is hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles.
Q: (L) That’s pretty deep! But wouldn’t it be too hot at that depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F. [20 degrees C.]
Q: (TK) That’s pretty comfortable! (L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.
Q: (L) Well, aren’t they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
Q: (TK) Well, we’ll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better?
Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.
Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to time for various reasons…
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by comparison! Hibernation tubes… One heartbeat per hour, for example.
Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4200 years… (L) How do we fit into all of this? (TK) We don’t!
A: You have been the “preparation committee”.
Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas, and so forth, to make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.
Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that. (L) This is really horrible, you know! To think of all this… (TK) Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can’t just come in and wipe us out and replace us, because the “rules” won’t allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.
Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of like the law of gravity that prevents them from just coming in and taking over?
Q: (TK) I don’t think it is like the law of gravity…
A: What “law” is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd density beings at will?!?
Q: (L) Well, I don’t go out and deliberately hurt or manipulate anything or anybody. (TK) Of course, in our handling of these “critters”, we are conserving them in some ways so that we will have an ongoing food supply… I think there are rules to the game. It’s like a chess game. They can’t just come in and change things, it has to progress in some way. But, there are loopholes and they can sneak in and manipulate and get away with some things… (TH) Then, those aren’t rules — there are just guidelines.
A: Two important points there: 1) When we said “you”, we meant 3rd density collectively. 2) You missed our statement about the natural cycle and order of things almost completely. We suggest you reread and ponder… Also, what if your race is manipulated to destroy yourselves, or, just hang around until the next natural cataclysm?
Q: (TK) Well, it seems like there is another side that is trying to prevent them from gaining control. (L) Well, from what I understand, the only thing the good guys are able to do is, because of free will, they have to wait to be asked for help, and the only thing they can really do is give information. (F) Well, this is valuable if used by the right people at the right time. (TK) You have to come up with the right questions, too. You have to have enough information to be able to come up with the right questions. I am sure the information is there. You have one group with all these people underground and they want to take over the planet. This group likes being fourth density — they don’t want to advance. They want to block advancement. Then, you have the group that wants to advance; they want the natural order to proceed. This negative group wants to stay there and keep everyone they can there. Obviously we have the information, but we haven’t really dug deep enough so that we don’t know the questions that we need to ask. Is this true?
Q: (TK) Is what I was saying close to the truth?
A: Yes. Total truth is elusive.
Q: (TK) So, what I said was the gist of what is going on here. So, we have to figure out what we are supposed to do so that the earth can be maintained…
A: You will do what you will do.
Q: (TK) This is true.
A: Do you, in general, control 2nd density beings on earth?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: So, what is “fair” about that?
Q: (L) Nothing.
A: Okay, so what is the difference?!?!???
Q: (TK) So, basically, we control second density, and fourth density controls us. There are the good guys and bad guys. (L) And we will do what we will do. Either we choose to align ourselves with the good guys, or with the bad guys.
A: It’s up to you.
Q: (TK) However, if too many people align themselves with the bad guys, then the balance tips in their favor, and there is no more advancement, so there has to be education so that people will know…
A: TK, you are close, but you are missing the point.
Q: (L) What is the point?
A: The point is, there “has to be” nothing. You will do what you will do. You choose. We have told you this repeatedly, but you still suffer from self-centered perspective.
Q: (TK) Everybody is worried about themselves. They all want to be saved and not worry about others.
A: More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views themselves as somehow “special, chosen, or protected”. This is simply not so!!
Q: (L) So, in other words, by having knowledge of the situation, what we do with it is our choice?
Q: (TK) The point is it’s going to happen…
A: But, nobody is there to intervene on your behalf as many would like to believe.
Q: (L) So, we are here on this planet, and we will either make it or we won’t, just like Dorothy and Toto in Oz, based on our own ability to figure it out, to overcome the odds, the witch, monkeys and soldiers… (TK) Maybe what they are trying to do is give people the information, or make the information available so that people can make the choice, do they want to stay…
A: We are not “trying” to do anything. We are here to answer questions if asked. We cannot interfere.
Q: (TK) Yes, the noninterference idea is pretty clear and understandable. So, they cannot interfere…
A: And, even when we answer, you may not believe, it is up to you!
Q: (L) So, we are really on our own!
A: You always have been, and so have we, and all others, too!!
Q: (TK) I guess then, it is a matter of asking the right questions so that you will know what course of action to take. I mean, do you want to advance? Do you want to go to fourth density? Or do you want to go higher? Or do you want to stay here? How can you make an informed choice if you don’t know the true conditions and what your options are? (L) Is it that the religions that have been generated and foisted on the human race, have been designed to give people a feeling of complacency or faith in something outside themselves, and that this prevents them from seeking knowledge, opening their eyes, facing the facts of their existence, and therefore keeps them in bondage?
A: Its just obstacles, as always. You employ those too, for your 2nd density friends!!
Q: (TK) What state of mind do you have to have to want to advance? (F) Well, you know you are on the path when you can see that the words don’t match the facts of life. Think of all the people you have met with whom you may have had a philosophical conversation. How many will say, “Oh, all I need is the Bible. That’s all I pay any attention to.”
(TK) I don’t have many philosophical conversations with people because I rarely agree with anything that is said.
(F) Well, you must have decided on this because you tried it and found it didn’t work.
(TK) I have a real problem … yes, the Bible has been around for a long time, and religion has been around for a long time … but I have a real problem believing something that is so obviously produced by humans with agendas of their own!
(F) But most people that you tell that to will say, “Oh, no! People didn’t write the Bible, God did!” Or, they could be a complete atheist and believe only in the religion of science.
TK) I believe that a person is supposed to live by rules and treat people with respect and honor life… and some of the ideas of religion are good… but they just go over the edge.
(F) That is how they suck people in. Mix lies with the truth.
(L) Yes, a lie sandwiched between two truths makes it easier to swallow.
(F) Yes, if it were all false, the vast majority of people would have figured it out immediately. Or, very quickly.
(TK) The vast majority doesn’t care. They just want to be led like sheep. They don’t want any responsibility.
(F) And what happens to the vast majority of cattle? They munch away in their pasture until time to get in the truck to go to the butcher. And, if you talk to the religious types, they will say, “Oh, I don’t have any answers… I just follow the Bible.”
(L) Not only do they not have any answers, they don’t have any questions, either. And, I think that is the clue. The people who are still asking questions after wading through all the religions and mystical mumbo-jumbo as opposed to the ones who think they have found the ultimate answer…
(TK) The whole purpose of life, it seems to me, is to obtain knowledge and advance. You are stuck on this level until you figure it out. But what are you supposed to figure out?
(L) I think that the knowing is the doing.
(TH) “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” It’s in the Bible!
(L) Is the knowing the key?
Q: (L) I think that knowing changes your frequency. Is that true?
Q: (L) The acknowledging and the seeing?
Q: (L) What did they tell us once… it’s not where you are, but who you are and what you see that counts? (TK) So, we aren’t gonna change what happens. There is no way we can have any appreciable effect on the underground armies… it is just a matter of changing ourselves and whoever else we can share with.
A: Correct, the cow has no effect on the health of the livestock industry…
Q: (TK) The cow has no effect on the herd. One cow doesn’t… or even a lot of cows. (F) But there might be a few cows that follow the one that breaks out of the herd. (TK) Yes, you might be able to affect somebody else’s life, but not the whole group.
A: First, some blockbuster stuff for the Knighted ones… Look upon a detailed map, and reflect, remember lonely journeys from long ago, and begin to unlock shattering mysteries, which will lead to revelations opening the door to the greatest learning burst yet!!
Q: (L) Well, what I really want to know is why have we had all of these crazy things happen in our lives, and all of these people ranged all around us seemingly placed there, or manipulated deliberately to affect us negatively. I mean, am I wrong, or is this not a very unusual and crazy situation?
A: Why do you think?
Q: (L) Well, I have no idea!
A: Because you are of the extremely rare and few who have the abilities to put the puzzle together.
Q: (L) So, what are we supposed to do? (TK) Discover.
Let’s go over those most important remarks above one more time:
The point is, there ‘has to be’ nothing. You will do what you will do. You choose. We have told you this repeatedly, but you still suffer from self-centered perspective. More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views himself or herself as somehow ‘special, chosen, or protected’. This is simply not so!! Nobody is there to intervene on your behalf as many would like to believe. We are not ‘trying’ to do anything. We are here to answer questions if asked. We cannot interfere. And even when we answer, you may not believe. It is up to you!
It seems that we are in a quandary. What can all of this rather bleak perspective possibly mean? Well, we were given a clue:
You will do what you will do. Do you, in general, control 2nd density beings on earth? So, what is ‘fair’ about that? … What is the difference?!?!???
Let me remind you that the Cassiopaeans do all their own punctuating. In this last remark above, I counted the exclamations and question marks that were indicated, and the group above represents the actual given sequence. The Cassiopaeans often use such devices as part of the clue system. Yes, they cannot violate free will by even suggesting what we ought to choose or do, but they have said so often that “you will do what you will do” in such a context as to make it absolutely clear that the information they are giving us can either be acted on or not. It depends on how it affects the individual hearing or reading it.
We have traversed ideas in these pages that are utterly fantastic. We have talked about things that, if true, could scare the chrome off of a car bumper! And yet, I look outside the window and see the blue sky, clouds and sunshine, birds and squirrels; I hear my children moving about the house engaged in their little pursuits; traffic passes on the street carrying people to and from their myriad destinations, engaged upon their personal lives and enterprises, and the world seems to be spinning normally in the velvet blackness of space. Billions of suns spewing forth unimaginable energy, twinkling slyly at night, while the tropical moon glides across the sky. And the Bible asks, “What is man that thou art mindful of him?”
I hope to be able to answer this question in the next chapters. I may not satisfy everyone, because there are many who still suffer from a self-centered perspective. More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views themselves as somehow special, chosen, or protected.
To give you just a hint, however, let me say this: to be special, chosen or protected is a choice. And that is the biggest clue the Cassiopaeans have given us. It is up to us as to how we interpret it, and what we then do with that realization.
1 French, Thomas, “The Exorcist in Love: A Tale of Possibilities,” (St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Feb 13, 2000).
2 I tell more of her story in High Strangeness (although I used the pseudonym Maryann) and Soul Hackers.
3 See Almost Human for a more in-depth analysis of psychopathy.
4 French, Thomas, “The Exorcist in Love: A Tale of Possibilities,” (St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Feb 13, 2000).
5 The Alien Autopsy film is steeped in severe controversy. It alleges that the US government undertook and filmed an autopsy of an alien that had crashed in the Roswell vicinity on June 2, 1947. The 50-year-old film canisters came into the possession of Ray Santilli from a freelance photographer of the 1950s.