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Enlightenment and Ascension

A Reader writes to Laura:

Fantastic site, much to consider.

Was hoping to get a little more clear on the following Q & A posted from Peter:

“Doesn’t enlightenment come with the ascension into higher densities?

Where you answered: “We would all like to think so! And it has certainly been a tenet of religious faith, and the New Age versions of the old Belief Systems that are presently being propounded. But, a deep study of this matter, as well as experience in the realms of psychical phenomena tends to show that this is not the case.”

In your opinion, does ascension have more to do with a completion of lesson, than a cognitive determination as to one’s readiness? Or is this the cyclic global event which we are about to experience and done in “batch”, i.e., those who are ready will go to a different density, and those who are not simply recycle? Does the criteria have to do with what frequencies/vibrations one is capable of experiencing? Is this what is determined at 5th density? Have the Cassiopaeans talked about this specifically?

I really appreciated the dialog about the sending of love, and also about the distinctions between STO and STS.

My understanding of the 4th density is one of variable physicality, and I can get more or less get the concept of this. I’m not clear on other distinctive properties of this density. Can you point me to further information on this?

There also appears to be some “bleedthrough” and interactivity between 3rd and 4th densities. If one in the 3rd density is striving to experience the higher densities, isn’t this interactivity a good intro? The causes and effects being talked about (Lizzie influence, abductions etc.) hopefully represents a limited picture of this realm. What other phenomena get created in the 4th density? What are some of the games being played by the STO in the 4th density? What are the strengths and limitations of the 4th density?

Thanks very much!

Hi, Caroline,

Thank you for your encouragement and questions! I will do my best…

Was hoping to get a little more clear on the following Q & A posted from Peter:

“Doesn’t enlightenment come with the ascension into higher densities?

In your opinion, does ascension have more to do with a completion of lesson, than a cognitive determination as to one’s readiness?

Yes. I think that is a very good way of putting it, too.

Or is this the cyclic global event which we are about to experience and done in “batch”, i.e., those who are ready will go to a different density, and those who are not simply recycle? Does the criteria have to do with what frequencies/vibrations one is capable of experiencing? Is this what is determined at 5th density? Have the Cassiopaeans talked about this specifically?

We have talked about these subjects a number of times. The most succinct answer I found is as follows:
A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.
Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can’t “get it?”
A: Who says you have to “get it” before you get there?
Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what “gets you there,” what makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in “third grade,” where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of…
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things…
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil… and reacting to things according to choice? Giving each thing or person or event its due?
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!
Q: (L) I just want to make sure that I am doing the most I can do. I don’t want to have to come back to 3rd density. If I can accelerate things a little…
A: You cannot, so just enjoy the ride. Learning is fun!

Forgive me for the long section to follow, but this is actually only a portion of the text referring to this.

Q: (L) Are there any exercises we can use to help our bodies transform into fourth density?
A: Not necessary. It is the soul that matters.
Q: (L) Does this mean that if we focus on soul development, that at the time of transformation that our bodies will automatically be transformed for us?
A: No. It is natural process. No preparation is needed.
Q: (L) So, if you are meant to transform, you will, if you are not you won’t?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) In other words, if we just do each day what naturally comes to us as the best choice in each moment, we are on the right track?
A: Precisely.

Q: (L) In the recent past you indicated that chapter 24 of Matthew and chapter 21 of Luke, were given by Jesus after his extended sleep state. Now, both of those chapters refer to the present time as being like the days of Noah. Is that a correct assessment?
A: In a sense and individual events are as yet undetermined.
Q: (L) Well, the story of Noah tells us that Noah was told to build an ark.
A: Symbolic. Look at it this way. Noah built a boat because it seemed like an enjoyable enterprise and when the flood came it came in handy, see?
Q: (L) So, you are saying that if we do what we do because we enjoy it that we will be in the right place at the right time, doing the right thing when whatever happens happens, right?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are you saying that we will be led to do what we should be doing and be where we should be?
A: You will just fall into it but if you force things you run the risk of going astray.

Q: (L) When the energy changes to 4th density, and you have already told us that people who are moving to 4th density when the transition occurs, that they will move into 4th density, go through some kind of rejuvenation process, grow new teeth, or whatever, what happens to those people who are not moving to 4th density, and who are totally unaware of it? Are they taken along on the wave by, in other words, piggy-backed by the ones who are aware and already changing in frequency, or are they going to be somewhere else doing something else?
A: Step by step. Too many questions at once!
Q: (T) In other words, we are looking at the fact that what’s coming this time is a wave that’s going to allow the human race to move to 4th density?
A: And the planet and your entire sector of space/time.
Q: (T) Is that what this whole plan is about, then, if I may be so bold as to include all of us here in this. We, of the beings of light who have come here into human form, to anchor the frequency, is this what we are anchoring it for, for this wave, so that when it comes enough of us will be ready, the frequency will be set, so that the change in the planet can take place as it has been planned?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When this happens, will we piggy-back all those who are still unawake?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Okay, when the people are talking about the earth changes, when they talk in literal terms about the survivors, and those who are not going to survive, and the destruction and so forth and so on, in 3rd, 4th, 5th level reality we are not talking about the destruction of the planet on 3rd level physical terms, or the loss of 90 per cent of the population on the 3rd level because they died, but because they are going to move to 4th level?
A: Whoa! You are getting “warm.”
Q: (T) Okay. So, we are anchoring this. So, when they talk about 90 per cent of the population not surviving, it is not that they are going to die, but that they are going to transform. We are going to go up a level. This is what the whole light thing is all about?
A: Or another possibility is that the physical cataclysms will occur only for those “left behind” on the remaining 3rd level density earth.
Q: (T) Okay, what you are saying, then, is that we are anchoring the frequency, so that when the wave comes, we move to 4th level density as many people as possible, in order to break the hold the “Dark T-shirts,” as Marciniak calls them, have got on this planet, those who remain behind will not have enough energy left for the “Dark T-shirts” to bother with the planet any longer. There will be less of them so the planet will be able to refresh and they will be able to move on in their lessons without interference?
A: Close.
Q: (L) At this point of dimensional transition, is what we are doing, anchoring a frequency, are we creating a sort of energy grid network that will literally create another earth in 4th density, which will then exist in 4th density, and the old 3rd density earth — almost like the splitting of a one celled organism, only in this splitting one half of it moves into another dimension and is energized and quite literally created by the anchoring frequency, while the old one remains and experiences 3rd density reality?
A: Step by step.
Q: (L) Are we anchoring frequency to create a split in universes?
A: One developing conduit.
Q: (L) We are developing a conduit?
A: Yes. One.
Q: (J) How many conduits do we need?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Is this conduit going to allow those who remain behind to be able to move to 4th density easier when they are ready?
A: No.
Q: (T) What is the conduit for?
A: You and those who will follow you.
Q: (T) Oh, this is for those of us who will move to 4th density. We will move through and they will follow us through the conduit.
A: Your group here tonight.
Q: (L) Does this mean we will have others join us or just us here now?
A: Open. Up to you.
Q: (L) This conduit. Is this a conduit through which an entire planet will transition?
A: You are one. There are others.
Q: (J) So, at this point we are developing a conduit?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) There are other groups on this planet developing their own conduits?
A: Yes. Knowledge is the key to developing a conduit.
Q: (T) I am working on the assumption that all of us here are part of the family of light, is this true?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) And we have been drawn together in order to develop this conduit from where we are?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are there others in this area?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are they supposed to join with us or are they working on their own?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Okay, so it is up in the air as to whether we join with them, they join with us, or we all work independently.
A: It is up to how much you share the information.
Q: (T) We’re developing a conduit to move us from 3rd density to 4th density. Once we have moved through the conduit does that mean we have completed what we came here to do, and that is anchor the frequency?
A: Partly.
Q: (T) Is the conduit kind of like an escape hatch for us?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Let me get this straight. When we move through this conduit, are the other…
A: You will be on the 4th level earth as opposed to 3rd level earth.
Q: (L) What I am trying to get here, once again, old practical Laura, is trying to get a handle on practical terms here. Does this mean that a 4th density earth and a 3rd density earth will coexist side by side…
A: Not side by side, totally different realms.
Q: (L) Do these realms interpenetrate one another but in different dimensions…
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, in other words, a being from say, 6th density, could look at this planet we call the earth and see it spinning through space and see several dimensions of earth, and yet the point of space/time occupation is the same, in other words, simultaneous. (J) They can look down but we can’t look up.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words, while all of this cataclysmic activity is happening on the 3rd dimensional earth, we will be just on our 4th dimensional earth and this sort of thing won’t be there, and we won’t see the 3rd dimensional people and they won’t see us because we will be in different densities which are not “en rapport”, so to speak?
A: You understand concept, now you must decide if it is factual.

Q: (L) In talking about the new level of being after transition to 4th density, will this be something like what is described in the book “Celestine Prophecy?”
A: Close.

Q: (DM) Would you please explain to me what service to others entails?
A: Complete lack of concern for self.
Q: (L) Well, that’s a real tough one. (DM) It would be like being Mahatma Gandhi, is this correct?
A: Closer.
Q: (DM) Then there is no one that I know of that is going to make this?
A: Do you know anyone who is in 4th density?
Q: (L) Of course not. (DM) I’m not sure. (V) So, when we transition from 3rd density to 4th density we lose that need for service to self?
A: If you transition, you are ready to do so if you choose.
Q: (DM) So, it’s like an instant thing? As soon as you are ready, you are gone!
A: No. Realm border crossing.
Q: (L) At the time of the realm border crossing those who are of the correct vibrational frequency to transition will do so, as it says in the Bible, in the twinkling of an eye. Almost instantaneously. We are getting ready… you have to be at least a certain level… it all has to do with the coming of this wave… I think…
A: Yes.

A: Very important for all to review, what happens at realm border crossing?
Q: (L) We transition to 4th density, is that correct?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) We either choose to transition as STS or STO, is that correct?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) And we do this based upon knowledge, is that correct?
A: Partly. What do STS 4th Density intend to do?
Q: (L) The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that they can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to bring everybody over to their way of thinking and their domination so that we will give them our energy and give up our free will… (DM) So, we are being set up. (L) Has E__ P__ who is preaching the “Gray Gospel” been subverted and programed to lead people astray?
A: No. You are reading into situation.
Q: (DM) What is it that she is reading into the situation that isn’t there?
A: P__ is experiencer, you are witnesses, that is all!
Q: (DM) We are watching him integrate; put himself all together. (L) Is this what we are witnessing, him integrating?
A: Yes.
Q: (DM) He is putting himself together at all the different levels… as an STS being… there isn’t anything more. (L) Is this true?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, in another session we were told that a lot of what E__ P__ is saying is disinformation designed to take people in, is that true?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And what is the source of that disinformation?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Are they trying to, to put this in plain terms, are they trying to “take his soul?”
A: No.
Q: (L) Are they trying to win the battle in terms of dominating him in 4th density?
A: And you and all others. We have told you this before, knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. All knowledge is good.
Q: (L) How can one, such as E__, defend himself against beings of such superior capabilities of mind control, that they can literally put thoughts in his head; I mean, what chance is there for anybody?
A: He has participated in process.
Q: (L) So, at some level he has chosen the STS pathway, is that what you are saying here?
A: Yes. He is experiencing, you are witnessing. Just watch and see. Look, listen and learn the signs.

Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of happen as a natural interaction of things and energies?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with us and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same time are you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density? (V) Are there others at higher densities working with you as you are working with us?
A: No, we all reach 7th level together.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up and everbody else is coming up, and when all the pieces are back together, we then go to 7th, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?
A: It’s a natural process.
Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to help others on 3rd, as you are doing?
A: Yes. We are you in the future.
Q: (T) When more than 50 per cent of the souls reach 6th density in preparation to go to 7th density, will all the rest of them automatically manifest into that density?
A: Not correct concept. You are using 3rd density “Brotherhood” inspired mathematical calculations and ideas.
Q: (J) So, there are no percentages involved in it. (T) So, we have to get every single soul up there. (V) I don’t think it is as much that as that you can’t apply 3rd density mathematics to that level. (T) Let’s say a majority.
A: No. Still using 3rd density mathematics.
Q: (L) Okay, what criteria constitutes the means of this ultimate translation into 7th density?
A: The lessons completed.
Q: (J) Okay. (T) When all the souls transition to 7th density, will all the souls be integrated into one soul?
A: Close.
Q: (T) So that is why we have to get everybody, because we all become one on 7th density. (D) What will we then do to change the game and make it interesting again?
A: Don’t have to “do” anything, has, will, is!!!

A: No. Transition is the “Millennium.” A thousand years is the 3rd level interpretation.
Q: (L) So, for a thousand years we will be living as physical beings in 4th density… so to speak… making this transition during this period… and, by the time it is over we will have done away with our physical appetites?
A: Close. Some will be there at the beginning, others will need more “time.”
Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, or something like that?
A: Some.
Q: (D) Even if we are STO?
A: Not if completely STO.
Q: (D) Then how do we get energy…. we get energy from each other. Which is more powerful… the service… well we have to be service to others… (L) That is because STO multiplies and grows… STS just fragments, segregates, and gets smaller and smaller… (J) The law of diminishing returns. (D) We can access or receive other’s energies as we give our own?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) We have some questions and the first one is: You have told us in the past that you are us in the future and that you are moving this way to merge with us.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) As we measure time, how far in the future are you us?
A: Indeterminate as you measure time.
Q: (L) Does this mean that at the point in time when the wave arrives on the earth in this upcoming event that you have given us the information to plot the ETA, is that the time at which you will merge with us and become us in the future?
A: No, that is not the correct concept.
Q: (L) You have said that when the wave arrives that you will merge with us. Is this the same thing that you are talking about when you say that you are us in the future?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, we are talking about two separate events or subjects, or two separate points in space/time, is that correct?
A: No. You are again slipping into trying to apply 3rd density logic to higher levels of density reality.
Q: (L) So, we are not talking about the same event…
A: What is “future,” anyway?
Q: (L) The future is simultaneous events, just different locales in space/time, just a different focus of consciousness, is that correct?
A: Yes, so if that is true, why try to apply linear thinking here, you see, we are merging with you right now!
Q: (L) I see. (T) So, what you are trying to say is that when the wave comes it is going to take us to 4th density, if we are ready, but we are not actually going to merge with you in 6th density at that point, but we may experience a “merge” at that point because all points of focus merge during transition from one density to another?
A: Partly correct, partly way off.
Q: (T) The wave is going to take those of us who are, at that point ready, to move us into 4th density, is this part correct?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Which part of it is open?
A: You are a 4th density candidate.
Q: (T) So, we are 4th density candidates but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we will make it into 4th density, true?
A: Partly.
Q: (T) As 4th density candidates, anyone that is, when the wave comes, if they have reached the correct frequency vibration, and have raised themselves up to the point that the wave will take them, they will, at that point, move into 4th density, true?
A: Close enough.
Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?
A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by “illumination”!
Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no time, maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any individual might measure it, we might experience oneness with ourselves?
A: It may seem to last “forever.”
Q: (L) Is this what is known as the “rapture?”
A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought patterns this way.

Q: (L) The other night as I was reading by the window, I saw something white pass by the window. In order for anything to pass that window, it would have to be very tall or floating. Also, my dogs would not have allowed anything to be passing by my window unless they were dead, drugged or paralyzed in some way. After a few minutes I explained it to myself as having just seen my cigarette smoke float by in my peripheral vision, but, after thinking a while, I realized that after all these years of smoking, I have an acute sense of what smoke is and where it is around me. Therefore, I think that some sort of awareness cued me that I was seeing something besides a waft of smoke. Can you tell me what it was, outside my window, or was it just my cigarette smoke?
A: You are gradually experiencing more and more “bleedthroughs” of 4th density.
Q: (L) What did I see go by my window?
A: Fourth density energy source.
Q: (L) Is an energy source like an entity or being?
A: Tell us what you imagine 4th density to be like, Laura?
Q: (L) Well, I have no idea. (T) Good answer!
A: Okay, then please try harder to discover.
Q: (L) Do you mean right now?
A: Yes. You see without further progress in this area, we cannot adequately explain details of 4th density life.
Q: (L) Alright guys, how do we imagine 4th density life to be.
A: Free association.
Q: (T) Is this energy source that she saw not necessarily a being or an entity, but loose energy being transmitted from 4th density?
A: Answer to that depends upon greater understanding of 4th level reality.
Q: (L) Why do I have this strange sensation on the back of my neck right at this moment?
A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.
Q: (T) Did it just start? (L) Oh, yes. It feels like I am being gripped by a pair of pincers right at the base of my neck. Okay, 4th density is like, am I correct, that it is similar to the dream state. The instant you think something or focus on it, it happens or becomes real?
A: Continue.
Q: (L) And that, for example, if you wished to be on a boat on the water, that you would find yourself on a boat on what is actually a more real ocean that the ocean we experience here, because, in every way it matches your expectations, down to the glints of sunlight on the water…
A: Why do you need a boat?
Q: (L) Well, just because in that particular fantasy the idea is to be on a boat. (T) But it is not a fantasy. (L) It is reality. Okay. So, in other words, 4th density is a realm where your thoughts instantly manifest as reality. If, for example, you think of yourself being a princess in a tower, a castle would manifest and you would be in a tower, and if you wanted your hair to hang down to the ground, it would hang down too.
A: That is 5th level stuff.
Q: (L) Okay, so, we have something in between that and 3rd level.
A: Continue.
Q: (T) Does it closely resemble 3rd density, but different in some manner?
A: No.
Q: (T) You were saying that when the transition comes about that there would be a 3rd and 4th level earth, and some people would be 3rd density on the 3rd density earth, and some would be 4th density on the 4th level earth.
A: One possibility for you to ponder.
Q: (L) Okay, let’s take a short break… [break] Now, guys, I guess you have been listening to our discussion and you listened to Jan read the paragraph from the article about 4th density experience being the highest level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking becomes reality…
A: Close. STS.
Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking…
A: STO does not wishfully think.
Q: (L) Well, how does STO think? (T) Responsibly…
A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.
Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just allowing things to happen and responding in a balanced and helpful way is an STO response or experience in 4th density, is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what I saw by my window, and responding to them basically in an open, curious, and allowing way would have been an STO response, is that correct?
A: Maybe. Knowledge protects.
Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously. (T) The Lizzies are hanging out in 4th density too, and they are not STO, are they?
A: Correct.
Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..
A: True.
Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking…?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don’t move back.
Q: (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don’t go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That’s what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that’s where you stay because you don’t have any desire to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don’t have a choice, it is just that you don’t want to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can’t, but that’s because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.
Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the nature of that position is that you just simply don’t… it just doesn’t happen.
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!
Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?
A: Yes.
Q: (F) Yeah, I’ve heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear that all the time. (L) Well, I don’t think it happens that often, but I think it happens… (F) It has happened. (J) People disappear and you never hear what happened to them. (F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion… (F) No… (J) Not spontaneous combustion because then the ashes are left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonezerooni! (L) Gonezerooni? (F) Once and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you don’t do anything or think anything in terms of fulfilling or doing for self. You always think in terms of doing or fulfilling for others. (T) Damn, I’ve got a long way to go then… (Chorus) Don’t we all!


[This is the last part of the “Dorothy in Oz” session]
Q: (L) We are having a bit of a puzzlement here because we are wondering if the tornado which represents the realm wave is something that moves one from an STO state to an STS state while still remaining in 3rd density?
A: Okay, that is one way. Okay…
Q: (T) The realm border is not only a way of transferring from one density to another, but it is also a way of transiting from STS and STO and back?
A: Can be.
Q: (T) So, those who transit on this pass may transit from 3rd to 4th density and come out as an STO being?
A: In some of the passages.
Q: (L) Okay, so people can either go from STO to STS in 3rd or 4th density… any of these choices are open at this passing of the realm wave?
A: Any of the above according to the orientation of the wave.
Q: (L) And what is the orientation of the wave that is coming? Is it strictly to move us from 3rd density to 4th density? Is this a function of this wave?
A: We have told you this.
Q: (L) And they have told us that this is a wave from 3rd to 4th density. Some of the waves, apparently, can move from STO to STS… (T) Not the wave, the person passing through the wave. As this wave passes by, does the orientation of the wave depend upon the individual?
A: Compare to seawaves. Waves are a part of the fiber of all nature.
Q: (T) Is it going to depend on where on the wave you are relating to the cycle, the crest and the trough? As to which way you transition on it?
A: No.
Q: (T) In other words, a wave that is going to transition from 3rd to 4th density will do so no matter where you are on the wave when it passes?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) A wave that is aligned to transit people from STS to STO or vice versa will do that also?
A: Or you could “go under” instead.
Q: (T) Under the wave? (J) Under the water. (T) Then you wouldn’t move at all. (L) You could be pulled under, you could drown and become part of the primordial soup! (T) Is that Minestrone?
A: Chicken Noodle. [Laughter.]
Q: (L) Am I right that if you go under you get sucked into the ocean and start cycling all over again?
A: It is not that simple.
Q: (J) I didn’t think that was simple at all. (T) Let’s not even start on that one. I’m still trying to work out this movement from STO to STS. You keep referring to the movie about Dorothy. In the movie she was told she could go home any time she wanted just by saying I want to go home, or whatever. That is a lot easier than going through all the conniptions and contankerations waiting out this wave that comes only once every so often. Is there a way for us to go back to STO that is easier and simpler than hanging out for 300,000 years waiting for this wave to come around?
A: Sure!
Q: (T) Okay! now we are getting somehwere!. Where are we going? [Laughter] So, there is another way of doing this.
A: Now wait a minute, are you ready to just go to 4th density right now?
Q: (T) Yeah, I am ready. Right now. Let’s roll! Jan, feed the cats when you get home! (L) Even the idea of just taking off and leaving and abdicating your responsibilities and agreements is an STS thing. (T) Yeah, but I’d be 4th density STS. (S) You and the Lizzies! (T) Now, now, I wasn’t saying… Anyway, what you are saying is that the realm wave is not the only way to make the transition, is this correct?
A: One idea presented.
Q: (T) That idea is the wave is the way of moving a large group of beings, is this true?
A: Off center.
Q: (L) Well, the wave is just part of a grand cycle. (T) And we are here to set up a frequency to pull as many beings through the wave, when it passes, and that is the whole purpose of why we are here… Is this so?
A: That implies interference with free will.
Q: (L) So, we are here to set up a frequency so that others may join with us… (J) And when we get to 4th density we make the choice or change from STS to STO…

Q: (L) Okay, the question has arisen: at the time of the transition to 4th density, is there going to be any assistance to those who are newly arrived in that density, or does the knowledge of that density come automatically?
A: Neither. When one arrives in 4th density, it is one’s choice to find one’s way just as it is in the other densities. There is no one waiting there to assist you. That would be an illusion. It is you assisting yourself as you choose to do it, the way you choose to do it.

Q: Q: (L) I have a theory that the truth, in any large degree, will not be known until just prior to some sort of transition…
A: You expect “truth” then?
Q: (RC) Absolutely! (L) Considering how things are from observation, this may be unrealistic…
A: All there is is lessons, no short cuts!

Q: (L) We were talking earlier about sleeping and dreaming. It seems to me that sleeping cannot be an evolutionary benefit, because sleeping would not evolve as something beneficial, because when you are asleep, you are completely vulnerable to any munching monster that passes by. Therefore, it is not conducive to evolution to sleep. And, I think there is some other reason for this thing we call sleeping. Obviously it is not to rest the brain, because the brain is as active asleep as when awake. And the bodily functions…
A: Bodies may get munched; souls don’t, however!
Q: (L) Okay, yes, but still it makes me think that there is something to this sleeping business that does not meet the eye in strictly physical terms. Nobody seems to know why we sleep. You made a remark once that dreams were a prime opportunity for the implanting of negative information and suggestions. This makes me think that we are even more vulnerable during sleep than previously thought. Are we induced to slepp genetically for the purpose of control by other density beings?
Q: (L) Is it essential, in an evolutionary sense, for the human body to sleep?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why is it that carnivores need more sleep than herbivores, and on down?
A: Physicality, my dear, physicality.
Q: (L) What is it about physicality that necessitates sleep? What are we doing while we are sleeping?
A: Body recharge.
Q: (L) Where is the body being recharged from or what is it being recharged by?
A: Rest.
Q: (L) What is the soul doing while the body is sleeping?
A: Same, it taxes the soul greatly to be embodied.
Q: (L) Is this why, when people suffer sleep deprivation, they go psychotic?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why are the results of sleep deprivation, psychosis, delirium tremens, and psychedelic drugs and some mystical states so similar in their expressions and manifestations? What is being seen?
A: Openings.
Q: (L) Well, if doing without sleep provides an opening, what is it an opening to?
A: Density levels 4 and up.
Q: (L) It would seem to me – well, why is this not good?
A: Who said it wasn’t?
Q: (L) Well, apparently a lot of people who have psychotic episodes, literally go out of their minds. They can no longer function in this world. They LOCK them up!
A: Yes…
Q: (L) Why does melatonin induce these openings?
A: Gentle hallucinogen.
Q: (L) SV’s mother took it and got all discombobulated with it!
A: Perception is key. If you really “dig” 3rd density, it makes you uncomfortable to see into the higher densities.
Q: (L) Can one use something like this and grow accustomed to the higher densities?
A: Ask Timothy Leary.
Q: (S) It’s too late now! He’s in 5 D! (L) Ask him for us.
A: We did, and he liked it a lot!
Q: (L) Did all of his use of hallucinogenics make it easier for him to transition?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where is he now?
A: 5th density.

I really appreciated the dialog about the sending of love, and also about the distinctions between STO and STS.

As I understand it from other correspondents who have writtin to thank me for this, and have been learning this one too, it is generally agreed to be the most difficult lesson of all… especially for those who are internally configured to serve others!

My understanding of the 4th density is one of variable physicality, and I can get more or less get the concept of this. I’m not clear on other distinctive properties of this density. Can you point me to further information on this?

The best book for the layperson that I have read on the subject so far is “Hyperspace” by Michio Kaku, ISBN 0-385-47705-8. With the assistance of my husband, who has written a textbook on Kaluza-Klein theories and Fiber Bundles, which have to do with these ideas, I will be putting a separate page together that attempts to bring together all the scientific as well as mystical ideas on this subject. I have also collected some artwork that was inspired by these ideas that may help us to visualize it. In general, though, if you read Kaku, and even P.D. Ouspensky’s “Tertium Organum,” which delves into the mystical ideas of the mathematician, Charles Howard Hinton, you should be able to get pretty close to the idea.

There also appears to be some “bleedthrough” and interactivity between 3rd and 4th densities. If one in the 3rd density is striving to experience the higher densities, isn’t this interactivity a good intro?

I would think so! I also would think that it is a function of same.

The causes and effects being talked about (Lizzie influence, abductions etc.) hopefully represents a limited picture of this realm.

Amen! We have presented a lot of material on this subject because it is so important, we think, to be able to discern. Clearly, if these beings wish us to remain in 3rd density, we need to know how they operate, what their plans are, and how to overcome them either individually or collectively. Otherwise, the questions of what 4th density is like will be moot!

What other phenomena get created in the 4th density? What are some of the games being played by the STO in the 4th density? What are the strengths and limitations of the 4th density?

There are several interesting books that describe some of this. Those I already named, and a new one by a Russian psychiatrist, Olga Kharatidi. “Entering the Circle” is the title, I believe, but my copy is lent out at present.

I apologize for the length of these excerpts, but as I was scanning through the text searcher, there were just so many neat things, it was hard to decide what to leave out!

Thanks again for asking!