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Evolution of Souls

Hello ,
I ran across your page about a week ago . VERY interesting stuff . I am very careful about what I embrace , there is so much information out there ( & disinformation ) that people embrace because it sounds “cool ” or “cosmic ” & it’s in print . I have found myself wanting to throw caution to the wind & believe everthing you say ,but I’m not just yet .

Dear Linda,

I don’t think it is a good idea to throw caution to the wind and “believe” in anything! I know that may sound strange coming from someone who “channels” and posts the results of said channelling, but it is the most honest and helpful thing I can suggest to anyone! Just because we are engaged in this experiment in what we now call “superluminal communication,” does not mean that we, ourselves, take any of it on faith!

In the first place, our research (and common sense) tell us that, in order for Free Will to be truly maintained, it would be almost a necessity for some of the information to be skewed. Yes, it does seem that the Cassiopaeans have attempted to deal with this by leaving many things to our own discovery and only giving hints or clues, but we try to be open-minded and allow for ANY possibility. We are on a constant mission of “discovery” for clues that will either validate or refute this or that segment of the material. Yes, thus far, the Cassiopaeans have been getting very high marks in many respects, but one must never close the door and “believe.” Both belief and skepticism are cheap – the best we can hope for in an objective way, as long as we are in this reality, is a high level of probability!

I have a question .
In almost all prophets or seers that I have read ( Edgar Cayce is one of them) say that all souls were made at one time .

The Cassiopaeans also say:

Q: (V) I would like to know… there is a common knowledge kind of thing among metaphysical people that when a soul is born onto the planet, that soul, that little baby, has infinite knowledge, and as we grow and learn we are conditioned to lose our knowledge, is this true?
A: No. That is nonsense. Souls are not “born” into this planet. Souls were never born! And, will never die!
Q: (D) Are there any new souls being created?
A: Just answered if you understand the real concept of “time.”


Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe
A: All is one. And one is all.
Q: (L) From the One what was the first division?
A: Mass division and disbursement.
Q: (L) Was this simultaneous?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this what we refer to as the “Big Bang?”
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is there any reference to this event in terms of time?
A: Always.
Q: (L) Can we say that all that exists in the material universe is, say, “x” number of years old?
A: No. It is the eternal now. Not only did happen, is happening and going to happen. The expanded present/presence.

According to the Cassiopaeans ( if i got this right ) there is a system to where we are trying to go to the fourth density . And in reading your material somewhere I read about someones cats getting ready to move up to third density . so if this is the progression , does that mean that the animals move up to where we are , then the plants & rocks move up to where the animals where ? If this is correct , why would a soul ( if all souls were created at the same time ) want to be a rock ?

I really do understand your quandary because, as you will see, I have struggled with this as well. But, after going through a great deal of modification of my understanding, both from interactions with the Cassiopaeans and through other research, I have gained a tiny bit of perspective on the problem. If there is no time, no linearity, then all is One, and simultaneous. It is like the “slideshow” the Cassiopaeans have talked about:

Q: (SV) I want to ask one question: If there is no time, there is no past and no future; there are no past lives and no future lives, there is no such thing as reincarnation, then how can you be us…
A: Yes, there is reincarnation. You are getting ahead of yourself there. We never said there is no reincarnation.
Q: (SV) But, if there is no time? (J) It is our perception of it. (L) It is all happening simultaneously. We are having all of these lifetimes at once. (SV) Is there a way that we can connect ourselves with all our other selves?
A: Picture it this way: we will access some of your memory banks and give you another reference which, interestingly enough, fits very closely with the perpendicular reality wheel that we described earlier. You know what a slide projector looks like? To give you some feeling of what this expanded nature of reality really is, picture yourself watching a big slide presentation with a big slide wheel on the projector. At any given point along the way you are watching one particular slide. But, all the rest of the slides are present on the wheel, are they not? And, of course, this fits in with the perpendicular reality, which fits in with the circles within circles and cycles within cycles, which also fits in the Grand Cycle, which also fits in with what we have told you before: All there is is lessons. That’s all there is.and we ask that you enjoy them as you are watching the slide presentation. And, if you look back at the center of the projector, you see the origin and essence of all creation itself, which, is level seven where you are in union with the One.

I read where the Cassiopeans said what is the use of going backwards , we have already been there . Do you understand what I am saying ? So I guess what I want to know , according to the Cassiopeans , do they believe that all souls were made at once or is there a progression of groups of souls that move “up ” one step at a time . If they are not made at one time , when are they made ? And if they are made at one time why would they come back as a plant or an insect ? What good would it do ?

Laura here: Well, there is a simple answer that leads to a difficult concept for the linear mind to grasp. Here is the simplest explanation:

Q: (L) Is the consciousness of human beings something that has cycled from minerals to plants through animals to evolve into consciousness of 3rd density mind, as we understand it?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Was each of us, sitting here, at any point in the remote past, using time loosely, a critter, so to speak, or a plant or a tree?
A: You still be a critter, baby!
Q: (L) So, leaving out time, the stream of consciousness that makes us as individual units, branches out and extends into lower densities, or connects to them like a tree?
A: Maybe.

A: (L) A reader sends this question: “Laura, I commend you on your vision, fortitude, courage… I have read most of the material with great interest. It feels right, but I have a couple of questions: I can’t reconcile the idea of our being trapped or lured (by sensuality) into a physical state with the idea that we have progressed through the vegetative and animal states.” This is a good question. It seems that the energy of creation has progressed through the vegetative and animal states, that animals can graduate to third density and become human, just as humans can graduate to 4th density. How do we reconcile this with the idea that human souls were entrapped into third density bodies from 4th density, by the Lizards? Are we talking about two different functions? Two different groups?
A: Humans were not entrapped by the “Lizards.”
Q: (B) We volunteered! (L) Well, they did say that the Lizards were waiting for the right soul matrix to “step in.” So, we were the right soul matrix and we stepped into these engineered bodies that the Lizards created. That’s what you said. So, how do we reconcile us stepping into these engineered third density bodies with soul evolution through the vegetative and animal states?
A: If you look more closely at the material, it was not stated that the consciousness levels currently represented by humans and many others “stepped into” anything in particular but PHYSICALITY.
Q: (F) Perhaps individual consciousness units have stepped into different physical forms. Some may have “stepped” in as humans right off the bat, and some may have done otherwise. (B) You can’t get hung up on any kind of evolutionary system. It’s just an ongoing and concurrent thing.. (F) It is simply that WE chose to experience physicality in many forms, maybe simultaneous rather than in a linear progression, but since we perceive time the way we do, it seems that it is a progression. We could be all kinds of things in other realities.
A: Exactly.

The problem is with linear time concepts. This ideas of all the “souls” or consciousness of creation being the “parts” of a “god” that has been broken up and distributed or “eaten” and become flesh, is one of the most ancient of myths.

Very often, we are simply stymied in attempting to deal with these concepts of non-linear time, of thinking of things that have to go “forward” or “backward” or “up” or “down.” The Cassiopaeans use such terms when talking to us because it is all we have to work with. We have dealt with this extensively, as the following extract will show, and you might even laugh at my reactions because, this is a VERY difficult concept to really grasp and internalize and you can see how I have struggled with it:

Q: (T) Several sessions back when we were discussing “Perpendicular Realities,” What is the definition of a perpendicular reality?
A: The perpendicular reality primarily, though not exclusively, refers to one’s life path and how one’s life path fits together in the cycle or in a wheel when connected with those of a similar life path. If you can picture an inlaid wheel formed by a circle within a circle, and adjoining partitions in a perfect balance, that would be the best representation of perpendicular reality for it does not completely involve one individual’s experience, but rather a group of individual’s experience for the progression of a greater purpose, if you understand what we mean. This is what we mean when we say: perpendicular reality. Picture again, a circle within a circle adjoined by equally spaced partitions in a perfect cycle. That is perpendicular reality.
Q: (T) You had us draw this symbol and put seven spokes or partitions between the two circles.
A: Correct.
Q: (T) Is seven the optimal number?
A: Seven is always the optimal number. There are seven levels of density. This reflects through all phases of reality.
Q: (T) You also said that each of us in this group came from a different perpendicular reality.
A: That is correct.
Q: (T) Is it at this point where we merge our different perpendicular realities in order to learn from each other’s experiences?
A: That could be described as correct.
Q: (L) It was said at the time that the inner circle was the connection with this reality and that the outer circle and connecting segments were where the perpendicular reality is “joined with The Wave.” Is it implied in that statement that the forming of this conduit through these perpendicular realities is instrumental in bringing forth this wave, bringing forth this change, this dimensional shift, or density shift, and is that something that is being done in other places?
A: We wish to congratulate you for asking six questions in one. [(T) One more question and you would have a perfect perpendicular question!] Mirth!
Q: (L) Are we connected in some way with the Wave, individually and as a group?
A: Well, of course. Everything is connected to the wave. You are in an interactive relationship with the wave in a sense, in that the wave is a part of your reality, always has been and always will be. And, of course, it does involve your progress through the grand cycle. And the perpendicular reality, again is, of course, an advancement from the core outward which is yet another reflection of all reality and all that exists. Now, we wish to return to the visual representation as mentioned previously. If you notice the core circle connects with all seven sections to the outer circle. Now, picture that outer circle as being an ever expanding circle, and each one of the seven segments as being an ever expanding line. Of course, now, this will expand outward in a circular or cyclical pattern. Please picture visually an expanding outer circle and a non-expanding inner circle. Contemplate that and then please give us your feelings as to what that represents.
Q: (L) Does it represent an expansion of our knowledge and consciousness?
A: That’s part of it.
Q: (L) Does it represent also expanding influence of what and who we are on that which is around us?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) Does it also represent a more…
A: Oop! We detected a slippage of your visual representation! Contemplate, if you will, the ever-expanding outer circle and the non-expanding inner circle, and, of course, the seven partitions also moving outwardly. What type of shape does that form in your mind’s eye?
Q: (L) A wheel?
A: Is that all?
Q: (T) A pie?
A: Keep going.
Q: (L) An eye.
A: Now we are starting to turn it into a sphere! Why would it turn into a sphere?
Q: (L) How can it turn into a sphere?
A: How can it not!
Q: (SV) It is going in ALL directions, not just flat…
A: Is a straight line a straight line or a…
Q: (L) Oh, you’re not talking about a circle?
A: We are talking about a circle. What becomes of a circle if you expand it outward forever?
Q: (J) It disappears.
A: It disappears? How can it disappear? Where does it disappear to? We ask you that, Jan? Jan?
Q: (J) Visually, as the outer circle expands, the inner circle becomes smaller and smaller until it disappears. As you continue to expand out with the outer circle, the inner circle disappears.
A: But where does it disappear to?
Q: (J) A black hole?
A: A black hole. Well, that’s a possibility. But, we really didn’t want you to concentrate so heavily on the smaller circle, now did we? It’s the outer circle.
Q: (T) The outer circle is used to encompass more and more.
A: And what shape does it begin to take on? We want you to look at this outer circle expanding outward!
Q: (L) Okay, we are looking at it as a plane representation. As a flat surface.
A: Well, what happens to a flat surface if you extend it outward forever?
Q: (L) Well, we don’t know. That, that… (SV) It keeps on going.
A: It keeps on going?
Q: (L) Yeah, bigger and flatter!
A: It does? What happens to a line if you extend it forever and ever?
Q: (L and S) It keeps on going.
A: It does? Where does it go to?
Q: (SV) Forever. (J) Back to itself. (L) We don’t know that.
A: Oh, someone said “Back to itself.”
Q: (J) Like the mythic representations of a snake taking hold of its own tail.
A: Why don’t we know that?
Q: (L) Because we don’t. It is conjectured that space is curved…
A: “Because we don’t know. Now, why don’t we know?
Q: (L) Because we haven’t been there.
A: Had Columbus been outside of Italy and Spain?
Q: (L) Okay, we are going to assume that if it keeps on expanding it will eventually come back to itself…
A: No, no, no wait! We asked a question!
Q: (L) Well, of course Columbus had an idea that there was something but he hadn’t been there, no. But he went and checked it out.
A: Did he have just and idea?
Q: (L) Well, pretty much, I guess.
A: Hmmm. That’s not the way we remember it. The way we remember it is that he had instinct and imagination and when he married his instinct with imagination, it became reality. And, when it became reality, he had created a reality which he was fully confident would be manifest in the physical third density reality. It wasn’t that he was confident. He knew it to be so. He didn’t stop himself by adding prejudice to the equation which is what you are doing when you say: “Well, we don’t know what happens because we have never been there!” Think logically, please. We have told you so many times that everything is a grand cycle. If it’s a grand cycle, we have told you about circles within circles. We have told you about cycles. We have told you about short wave cycles and long wave cycles. Now, after all this information that you have asked of us, which we have more than happily given to you, would you expect that a straight line would just go out forever and ever and ever as a straight line? How could it possibly do that? What happens, if you take, on your third density earth, and you draw a straight line to the East or to the West or to the North or to the South…
Q: (J) It comes all the way back to itself.
A: Right…
Q: (L) Okay, so we’re living in a big globe!
A: Are we?
Q: (L) Well, that is what it sounds like, a big circle?
A: Oh, my, my, my. Even your Albert Einstein had a theory about what happened.
Q: (L) Yes, but that was just a theory.
A: Oh, well we guess then it must be dropped. We’ll never know. It’s just a theory. Well, we’ll just forget about it.
Q: (T) I’m still expanding the circle… (SV) Me too.
A: Very good, that was the idea. It keeps going and going and going.
Q: (L) Well, mine does too, but it hasn’t come back and met anything. So, what’s the point?
A: Does there need to be a point?
Q: (L) Of course!
A: Who says? We are trying to help you learn. When do you expect to shut down this process?
Q: (J) Never. (L) Gee, I hope never.
A: Then there never is a point!
Q: (J) Point taken! (L) There is no point. [Laughter.] Well, if you expand the circle outward and continue expanding it in all directions, it pulls the seven spokes with it which encompasses more and more space in a cross section, and then turn that circle, you have a sphere.
A: Precisely. But Laura says that means we are living in a big globe. And, maybe we are.
Q: (T) Well, it wouldn’t be a big globe, so to speak, it would only be a big globe within the circle. If the circle continues to expand, it would just continue to go outward and outward and the globe would become bigger and bigger and bigger… (L) You’re making me nervous… (T) But it goes outward forever… cause there is no end to going out…
A: There isn’t?
Q: (SV) Nope.
A: Well, then maybe there’s no beginning. If there’s no end and no beginning, then what do you have?
Q: (L) No point. (J) The here and now.
A: The here and now which is also the future and the past. Everything that was, is and will be, all at once. This is why only a very few of your third density persons have been able to understand space travel, because even though traveling into space in your third density is every bit as third density as lying on your bed at night in your comfortable home, the time reference is taken away. Something that you hold very close to your bosom as if it were your mother. And, it is the biggest illusion that you have. We have repeatedly told you over and over that there is no time, and yet, of course, you have been so brainwashed into this concept that you cannot get rid of it no matter what you do, now can you? Imagine going out into space. You’d be lost when confronted with reality that everything is completely all at one? Would you not? Picture yourself floating around in space!
Q: (L) I don’t want to! It makes me nervous! (J) There is also no space! (T) Does the sphere keep expanding… as the circle expands and you turn the circle 180 ‘, you get a sphere. As the sphere continues to expand it, you take a point on the outer edge of the sphere in order to take the sphere about itself, you get a donut, an ever expanding inner tube. (L) With a black hole in the middle! (SV) Why does it have to be a black hole? (J) It’s a spiral. (T) If you take that and twist it, you get an even larger inner tube. It just continues to expand and encompasses more space…
A: And now, when you merge densities, or traverse densities, what you have is the merging of physical reality and ethereal reality, which involves thought form versus physicality. When you can merge those perfectly, what you realize then, is that the reason there is no beginning and no end is merely because there is no need for you to contemplate a beginning or an end after you have completed your development. When you are at union with the One at Seventh density, that is when you have accomplished this and then there is no longer any need for difference between physical and ethereal forms.
Q: (L) On the subject of time as we discussed the other day: we talked about the fact that at the constant of light there is no time, there is no matter, there is no gravity, but that any unit, infinitesimally small to the downward side of the constant of light, suddenly there is gravity and suddenly there is matter. And we asked what is it that congeals this matter out of the energy of light, so to speak, and I believe that the answer we received was that it was consciousness from 7th level. From our perspective, would it be possible to achieve this constant and move through to the other side of it, or at least stay fixed with it, without de-materializing? Is the speed of light interconnected with the state of no time and no gravity?
A: No in an absolute sense, in a third density sense.
Q: (L) Okay, if you are in fourth density, for example, does everything move at the speed of light and is that why there is no time there and no gravity?
A: No. That is an incorrect concept… [(T) There is no speed of light, light is everywhere.] Precisely. There is no speed of light in fourth density because there is no need for any “speed.” Speed, itself, is a third density concept. You remember, all there is is lessons. That’s it! There’s nothing else. It is all for your perception. For our perception. For all consciousness. That’s all there is.
Q: (L) Well, I am still trying to get a handle on what it is, what is the source of this gravity, this state of time because they seem to be so intimately connected.
A: Let us ask you a question now: Do you remember going to school?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: What did you do in third grade?
Q: (L) A lot of things. I learned cursive writing. I learned to multiply and divide.
A: Do you remember what you did in first grade?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Please name one.
Q: (L) Learned to count in several ways. Learned to read and write.
A: Okay. Did you learn to multiply and divide in first grade?
Q: (L) No.
A: When you were in the process of learning to multiply and divide, did you drop your pen or pencil and steadfastly return in your mind to first grade and try and figure out why you had to learn the alphabet?
Q: (L) No.
A: Why not?
Q: (L) Because I already knew it.
A: You already knew it. In other words, you did not need to learn the alphabet because you already knew it. Correct?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Are you going to need to learn about the speed of light when there is no longer a speed of light?
Q: (L) Well, that is what I am trying to do. Once you learn it, maybe you are not subject to it’s lessons anymore. I mean, you get concepts presented, you absorb them, practice them, they become part of you and then you go to the next thing.
A: Yes, but you are asking about the speed of light as relates to fourth density and above density levels and we are telling you that there is no speed of light there because there is no need for that, because once you reach fourth density level, you have learned the lessons of third density level.
Q: (L) Well, if a person on third density gets into some kind of vehicle and achieves light speed, does that automatically translate them into fourth density?
A: Could you please point out one of these vehicles?
Q: (L) Well, we don’t have any… yet.
A: Do you expect to have any before you go to fourth density?
Q: (L) No.
A: Then the lesson is learned, yes?
Q: (L) Sort of.
A: Now, contemplate, because all there is is lessons.
Q: (L) Well, you talk about time being an illusion, time being something we hold dear to us like a mother, and that sort of thing, and I would be perfectly happy to let go of time…
A: You do! Let go!
Q: (L) Well, it is one thing to want to do it in your mind and another thing altogether to do it in your system, your internal operating system.
A: Your internal operating system? Could you please explain what an internal operating system is?
Q: (L) I guess it is the subconscious mind.
A: It is?
Q: (L) Maybe.
A: My, my.
Q: (L) For example: a person can have a belief about prosperity in their conscious mind and can talk about it and say affirmations and all kinds of postive things for themselves, and yet, for some reason that individual continually lives on the edge of poverty because something keeps happening that they keep screwing up to keep themselves at the level of poverty. And, when you start digging around in their subconscious mind you find out that somewhere there is the belief in poverty or there is a past life connection where they feel they need or deserve to be poor, so, their internal operating system takes precedence over their conscious beliefs and thoughts. That is what I am talking about here. The point is that you may say that you would like to get rid of time and you may understand it conceptually, but something internal keeps you tied to it. How do you get rid of that internal connection?
A: Something internal keeps you tied to it? We feel you are missing the point.
Q: (L) Well, maybe I am.
A: You see, we speak to all of you when we say this. It’s now time for you, as individuals, to try to move away, as much as possible, not to force yourselves, of course, but to try and move away at your own pace as much as possible, from the constraints of third density. You have all learned lessons to the level where you are more than ready to begin to prepare for fourth density. Third density involves a level of physicality and restriction and restraint and all of the things that go along with those, that you no longer need. So, therefore, even though we understand that at times it may feel comfortable to cling to this, there is time for you, and there is that word again, it is time for you to consider moving ahead and get ready for fourth density and not to be concerned with such things as time or how to free yourself from the illusion of time. That really is not important. That’s like the third grade student delving into mathematics and stopping everything to go back and contemplate the ABC’s and why it isn’t CBA or BAC. There really is no point. It is what it is. They are what they are.
Q: (L) That is what I want to know, what is it?
A: Why do you need to know this?
Q: (L) Because I am curious. What is time?
A: We have already told you that it is a non-existent, artificial creation of illusion for the point of learning at the level where you are at or were, and once you have left that level, you no longer need it. If something is not real, is there any concern in worrying about what it is? Imagine a conversation between two people: Billy and Gene. Billy says to Gene, “There is no such thing as time.” Gene says, “Oh, really? But I want to know what it is.” Billy says, “But I just told you there is no such thing. Time does not exist. It is not real in any form, in any frame of reference, in any form of reality, any level of density. It simply does not exist.” And, Gene says: “Oh, that’s interesting. Now, again, what is this time?”
Q: (L) Point taken. (T) Do you wear a watch? (L) No. (SV) I have to because of my schedule. (T) But, you wear the watch because other people believe in time? (SV) Yes. (T) And that is out of courtesy for their belief, not your belief.
A: That is precisely correct. While you are still in this third density it is still necessary for you to conform, to a certain extent, to the ways of others who are more comfortable within the realm of third density. But, as we have stated previously, perhaps it is “time” for you to begin preparing for fourth density and not concern yourself any more than is absolutely necessary with all the where’s and why’s and what for’s of third density reality. This truly is behind you, now, and we know that because we can see from all levels six through one and back again in full cycle. We must remind, that we are you in the future and we have already experienced all that you are experiencing. And, of course, we are experiencing as it is always being experienced. But, it is important to note that you have been making progress despite our occasional chidings, and we are very proud of the progress you have been making. Also, we want to remind you again not to worry about the extent of the progress or the direction it is taking. Just let it happen. All knowledge that it is absolutely necessary for you to gain to sustain this progress will be gained at the appropriate point in … [everyone in chorus] “TIME!”

Then there is this:

Q: You say that EM is interwoven with gravity. Santilli says that EM and gravity are the same. But, then there is light. Light is EM radiation. If so, then how is it that gravity, which is interwoven with EM, travels faster than EM, that is: supercedes light speed?
A: Gravity does not “travel.”
Q: Well, when you say that gravity ‘supercedes’ light speed, what exactly do you mean?
A: Gravity is equally located in all realms at once, in space/time.
Q: Now, the possible answer is that gravity travels as a phase, while light travels as a ‘bunch’ of waves. Is this the correct understanding?
A: The gravity wave is merely a “ripple” in the omnipresent fabric; the base energy facilitator.
Q: What is a fabric base facilitator?
A: Gravity is the fabric, and energy facilitator as well.
Q: If gravity is the fabric, base and facilitator, what is being facilitated?
A: You read it wrong. It is base, as in “basic” energy facilitator.
Q: How does gravity facilitate… (A) What does it facilitate?
A: We have told you before that gravity is the foundational force of absolutely everything!!! This means at all density levels, all dimensions… It is the “stuff” of all existence. Without it, nothing would exist. Your thoughts are based in gravity, too!!
Q: Okay, you said that light is the energy expression of gravity. How does light manifest at 7th density?
A: Light is seventh density.
Q: Well, so light is 7th density. And you said that light is the energy expression of gravity. And you said that gravity is God. So, does this also mean that light is gravity?
A: No.
Q: Okay, what is the distinction between gravity and light?
A: What is the distinction between concrete and cement?
Q: Well, I am not entirely sure. I think cement is a concentrated stuff and that concrete has sand and rocks and so forth mixed with it to make it work better. And it has water mixed with it. How does light manifest on 6th density? Can you give me a relationship?
A: Vague.
Q: Well, I know it’s vague! You say that light is 7th density. You say that gravity is God, and God and 7th density are the same, and…
A: No. 7th density is “union with the One.”
Q: What is the distinction between union with the One and God?
A: Only at 7th density is God unified.
Q: When God ‘disunifies,’ or ‘destabilizes,’ or ‘disperses,’ where, and I know ‘where’ is not the right term, what density is then manifested?
A: Wrong concept totally.
Q: What is the RIGHT concept?
A: Well, first of all, God does not destabilize or disperse, for that matter. Purge the linear inner concept.
Q: Okay, I am purging. All just simply is. At 7th density there is union with the One. At 6th density there is… what? An equal balance of dark and light, or being and non-being, is that correct?
A: Pure consciousness no need to physicalise.
Q: And, I think that there are the 3 ethereal densities, and the 3 material densities, and the middle density, the variable physical/ethereal density…
A: Close.
Q: And these densities are only distinguishable by virtue of the nearness to union with the One, is that correct?
A: Nearness?
Q: Well, you know I don’t mean it in a that sense… Help me out here!
A: No, you are doing just fine.
Q: Now, I am seeing it sort of like the perpendicular reality image. The circle in the center, and the outraying perpendicular realities which go out and out and out, and eventually come back to the center, because the gravity in the center brings them back. Something happens in a concentric circle sort of way, or in the idea of the shells of an atom sort of way, that distinguishes shells, or states of being, in relation to this center and these perpendicular realities. What is the level of shells, the realm levels, what is the relationship between the perpendicular reality and its moving outward that distinguishes it at certain relational points from the center itself? I understand that it is consciousness, but we are also dealing with non-being. Being and non-being. What is the relationship of these perpendicular realities to the seven realms of existence?
A: Not essentially correct. Perpendicular reality is knowledge/awareness/being matrix. Realms are merely experiential divisions based upon consciousness energy directors.
Q: What are consciousness energy directors?
A: Compare yourself to your backyard denizen. How do each of you view calculus?
Q: Well, I don’t know exactly what calculus is, but I know it is important. I never thought I was able to learn such things, so I didn’t try. But, I think it is important, and someday I will know something about it. I am sure that the dog would not only think it is not useful, he would not even be aware of it. How does that relate to consciousness energy directors?
A: All in nature seeks balance. One day, so to speak, “Percy” will indeed have an opinion of calculus.
Q: Okay, so consciousness energy directors are like a horizontal reality in relation to the perpendicular ones?
A: Slots, my dear, slots.
Q: Are these slots comparable to the appearing and disappearing of electrons in the shells of an atom?
A: Not the point. You are still trying to use 3rd density awareness to measure the reality parameters of all other density levels… Talk about your square peg and your round hole!
Q: Now you have mentioned these ‘slots.’ What are these slots, and how does one move from one slot to another?
A: Picture this: you have 7 sizes of marbles. You have 7 widths of slots. Where do the marbles “fit in.”
Q: Do the marbles represent units of consciousness?
A: Close. Or, divisions of consciousness level energy resonance profiles.
Q: Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.
Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that correct?
A: Basically.
Q: And acquiring knowledge is akin to acquiring energy? Or light? Light energy?
A: Not exactly. That would be like saying that “filling up” at the gas station is akin to acquiring speed.
Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed comes from utilization?
A: Yes.
Q: And utilization means…
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn, generates light.
Q: So, when one of these marbles is in a slot, does it fill up with gas which then enables it to move to another slot?
A: What!?!
Q: Well, I’m using your analogy!
A: No, you are mixing analogies!
Q: Let me back up then, and regroup. We have marbles in slots…
A: What causes the marbles to go into the slots? Gas?!??
Q: Okay. Where do they get the gas from?
A: That was an entirely different analogy, used only as a reply to an erroneous assumption, nothing more!
Q: Let me back up again. Marbles in slots. What are the slots?
A: An analogy to depict realms for you.
Q: Do the marbles move from one slot to another?
A: When, and only when, they have acquired the proper fit.
Q: Oh. How do they acquire the proper fit?
A: How do you?
Q: I guess you grow?
A: Okay.
Q: I am getting in so deep that I don’t even know which way to go just now. My brain is having trouble coping.
A: Coping is only necessary when one is not open.
Q: Well, I am open, but I have to sit down and think about it to know where to go with it…
A: And what happens when you do this?
Q: Well, I absorb it. And then it leads to other questions. Is that okay?
A: Okay.

And finally:

Q: (L) One of the things that Al-Arabi writes about is the ontological levels of being. Concentric circles, so to speak, of states of being. And, each state merely defines relationships. At each higher level you are closer to a direct relationship with the core of existence, and on the outer edges, you are in closer relationship with matter. This accurately explicates the 7 densities you have described for us. He also talks about the “outraying” and the “inward moving” toward knowledge. My thought was certain beings, such as 4th density STS, and other STS beings of 3rd density, who think that they are creating a situation where they will accrue power to themselve, but may, in fact, be part of the “outraying” or dispersion into matter. Is this a correct perception?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Al-Arabi says, and this echoes what you have said, that you can stay in the illusion where you are, you can move downward or upward. Is this, in part, whichever direction you choose, a function of your position on the cycle?
A: It is more complex than that.
Q: (L) Well, I am sure of that. Al-Arabi presents a very complex analysis and he probably didn’t know it all either… Nevertheless, it almost word-for-word reflects things that have been given directly to us through you. Is the information we are receiving similar to what Al-Arabi calls an ‘opening?’
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You say that you are unified thought forms in the realm of knowledge.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Al-Arabi describes unified thought forms as being the ‘names of God.’ His explication seems to be so identical to things you tell us that I wonder…
A: We are all the names of God. Remember, this is a conduit. This means that both termination/origination points are of equal value, importance.
Q: (L) What do you mean?
A: Don’t deify us. And, be sure all others with which you communicate understand this too! Source? There is no such thing.
Q: (L) You mean there is no Prime Creator, no origin or source of our existence?
A: You and us and all others are Prime Creator.
Q: (L) But that is so esoteric… I am talking about…
A: The point is: stop filling your consciousness with monotheistic philosophies planted long ago to imprison your being. Can’t you see it by now, after all you have learned, that there is no source, there is no leader, there is no basis, there is no overseer, etc… You literally possess, within your consciousness profile, all the power that exists within all of creation!?! You absolutely have all that exists, ever has, or ever will, contained within your mind. All you have to do is learn how to use it, and at that moment, you will literally, literally, be all that is, was, and ever will be!!!!!!!!
Q: (L) That is all fine and dandy and sounds wonderful, except for one little item. You also say that the monotheistic concepts were IMPOSED on us to prevent us from knowing this. So, if we are all that is, how can something exist that can impose something so unpleasant on us?
A: Choices follow desire based imbalances.
Q: (L) If that is the case, why can’t any one just turn off the lights, end the illusion, and everything becomes nothing?
A: Well, first of all, everything does not become nothing. Secondly, some have already become everything.
Q: (L) Terrific! And I understand that we are digging our way out of this particular illusion. And that is rather profound a thing to say to someone still stuck in the mire. What quality in us, what thing, enabled us to make contact or to be able to access this information, because, if what you are saying is true, then obviously a lot of people try and try and only are able to get garbage.
A: You asked.
Q: (L) A lot of people ask!
A: No they don’t, they command.
Q: (L) Well, a lot of people do ask or beg or plead, but they get all discombobulated with the answers.
A: No, they command. Think about it. You did not beg or plead… that is commanding answers based on one’s preexistent assumptions.
Q: (L) This recent ‘awakening’ or period of seeing things with such clarity, as they really were, and the whole picture of the interactions, I plunged into a terrible depression. I needed to get my balance from seeing so much all at once. Can you explain to me what was going on?
A: Growth. First of all, it is not correct to perceive “everything in such darkness and gloom, etc.” That is merely the result of a cocoon of falsehood being removed. Celebrate the balance. Don’t mourn the death of an illusion of an imbalance.
Q: (L) Where do I go from here? Where do we all go?
A: Everywhere.

I hope that this has, in some way, served to answer your questions, Linda. Thank you for asking and giving me an opportunity to go back through the material and collect these references!